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Pez

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by Pez » Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:11:11

I remember racing those guys in Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge on the Amiga,
they were ***y good!

pez



> Can't wait to mix it up with Derik Bull, Martyn Blundle, David
Blandham,
> Hans Schmck, Jean Lewis Slasher, Edmund Sheever, Derrick ***wick,
Alan
> Stones...

LOL.
Steve Smit

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by Steve Smit » Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:54:28

The reason I mention it is because John P's statement, "I want to make one
thing clear: The physics are not 'watered down'" is soooo Richard Milhous
Nixon ("I am not a crook"), n'est pas?

But I have to agree with you - the behavior over FIA-spec curbing is vastly
improved.  With 1.0 it was as if a giant claw came out and hooked you to the
inside.  OTOH, in 1.1 there are some obvious anomalies.  A realistic top
speed for the Sauber is more in the order of 250+ mph than the 225 I
observed with the new minimum wing angle.


> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:38:17 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >> http://www.redlinedevelopments.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154

> >Have you actually driven it, or are you simply believing the p.r.?

> Yes, I have driven it, quite a lot actually. One place where you can
> really feel the improves physics, is over bumpy surfaces and curbs. In
> 1.0 the car started "oscillating" really easily and was generally
> pretty hard to control over curbs. Now it's much better and you can
> actually use the curbs in places; of course you still can't go crazy
> on them.

> And I don't see why you shouldn't believe the "PR". They're not
> selling the mod, so they shouldn't have any reason to start an
> EA-style PR campaign, no?

> Anyway, I like the 1.1 version a lot better than 1.0. With the physics
> improvements and a couple of other fixes it's a clear choice for me
> especially as you can copy tracks and car from the previous version.

> So, I don't agree with the comments that it has been "dumbed down"...
> it is probably more hassle for the user to copy the tracks and cars
> over but as I see it, it's better to have it this way than no mod at
> all.

JTS

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by JTS » Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:07:36


Good point about Nixon.  He really should have said "I am not a crook,
relative to other politicians".

> But I have to agree with you - the behavior over FIA-spec curbing is
> vastly
> improved.  With 1.0 it was as if a giant claw came out and hooked you to
> the
> inside.  OTOH, in 1.1 there are some obvious anomalies.  A realistic top
> speed for the Sauber is more in the order of 250+ mph than the 225 I
> observed with the new minimum wing angle.



>> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:38:17 GMT, "Steve Smith"

>> >> http://www.redlinedevelopments.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154

>> >Have you actually driven it, or are you simply believing the p.r.?

>> Yes, I have driven it, quite a lot actually. One place where you can
>> really feel the improves physics, is over bumpy surfaces and curbs. In
>> 1.0 the car started "oscillating" really easily and was generally
>> pretty hard to control over curbs. Now it's much better and you can
>> actually use the curbs in places; of course you still can't go crazy
>> on them.

>> And I don't see why you shouldn't believe the "PR". They're not
>> selling the mod, so they shouldn't have any reason to start an
>> EA-style PR campaign, no?

>> Anyway, I like the 1.1 version a lot better than 1.0. With the physics
>> improvements and a couple of other fixes it's a clear choice for me
>> especially as you can copy tracks and car from the previous version.

>> So, I don't agree with the comments that it has been "dumbed down"...
>> it is probably more hassle for the user to copy the tracks and cars
>> over but as I see it, it's better to have it this way than no mod at
>> all.

Larr

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by Larr » Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:00:30

His sarcasm escapes you.  But it's not about NSR so that's understandable :)

-Larry


Larr

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by Larr » Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:01:10

It's no NSR.

LOL! Sorry, I could not help myself :)

-Larry


not spa

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by not spa » Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:47:44

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:54:28 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>The reason I mention it is because John P's statement, "I want to make one
>thing clear: The physics are not 'watered down'" is soooo Richard Milhous
>Nixon ("I am not a crook"), n'est pas?

>But I have to agree with you - the behavior over FIA-spec curbing is vastly
>improved.  With 1.0 it was as if a giant claw came out and hooked you to the
>inside.  OTOH, in 1.1 there are some obvious anomalies.  A realistic top
>speed for the Sauber is more in the order of 250+ mph than the 225 I
>observed with the new minimum wing angle.

Steve,
I'm surprised you haven't weighed in on RSC with the
wonderfully warm letter from Dave K.  
Mark Daviso

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by Mark Daviso » Sat, 12 Mar 2005 05:12:13


And this must clearly illustrate one of the main reasons FIRST don't want
these exe hacks.  Modders don't need to pay licence fees to have Ferrari,
Porsche et al included in their games.

FIRST might have *insert real sportscar of choice here* modelled with
fantastic accuracy, but if it's labelled a Farrera who cares, right?  Modder
community fudges something together that drives really convincingly as to
how we might *imagine* one of these beasts runs.  Great.  And the look of
the car is fabulous - accurate to every last nut and decal.

The disdain towards Chassis A, B, etc shown above by someone who can
probably be considered *** simmer and therefore core customer base
clearly highlights the importance of licenses.

"I don't care how good your tyre model is, my car is a Ferrari..."

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:27:57




>>  Yes Sportscar fans, it has arrived.  Thrill to the challenge and history
>> of racing GTP type cars on tracks all over the world.  YEs now you can
>> slide into the***pit of Chassis a, b, c, or d and continue the
>> thrilling
>> battles these great marques waged through the 80's and 90's.
>>  I've always been a fan of Chassis C, the factory has maintained a fine
>> reputation over the years in many types of racing, but here, Chassis C
>> shines forth.  Truly a worthy effort.

> And this must clearly illustrate one of the main reasons FIRST don't want
> these exe hacks.  Modders don't need to pay licence fees to have Ferrari,
> Porsche et al included in their games.

> FIRST might have *insert real sportscar of choice here* modelled with
> fantastic accuracy, but if it's labelled a Farrera who cares, right?
> Modder community fudges something together that drives really convincingly
> as to how we might *imagine* one of these beasts runs.  Great.  And the
> look of the car is fabulous - accurate to every last nut and decal.

> The disdain towards Chassis A, B, etc shown above by someone who can
> probably be considered *** simmer and therefore core customer base
> clearly highlights the importance of licenses.

> "I don't care how good your tyre model is, my car is a Ferrari..."

    I see FIRST's action over GTP as a reason to be pesamistic about what
they intend to offer in the short term. Looks like they'll still be giving
us no weather, front tyre temps out of whack and nascar setups/physics in
road course sims. Otherwise, why would they be worried about the GTP mod. I
can't see what FIRST gain out of all of this at all except to annoy people.
s_paradise_no_sp..

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by s_paradise_no_sp.. » Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:09:02

      I can't see what FIRST gain out of all of this at all except to
annoy people.

       I agree with you Mark...GTP just doesn't do it for me. I took a
spin in the B chassis at the Glen and the car totally flipped over when
I hit the curb in the last left hander before the start finish line.
For me N2003 is getting a little old.

       Been driving GTR for the last couple of weeks, the German
version with English mods installed and been having a blast. This game
blows GTP out of the water in everyway. Haven't raced online yet so I
can't speak for the multiplayer code but they seem to have done alot of
things right with this game.Steve P

Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:34:59


>        Been driving GTR for the last couple of weeks, the German
> version with English mods installed and been having a blast. This game
> blows GTP out of the water in everyway. Haven't raced online yet so I
> can't speak for the multiplayer code but they seem to have done alot of
> things right with this game.Steve P

I agree Steve, (and how ya been bud).  The AI in GTR is better than most
humans by a wide margin.  I just cranked it up to 95% psycotic and its some
tough racing.  I only have the demo2 now but Im ordering the full version
this am.

Mitch
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