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This will be sweet

Rafe McAulif

This will be sweet

by Rafe McAulif » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:23:23

Olav, Tom is pretty much right, but you should consider getting a GF3
ti 200. I've been researching these, they cost around US$170-200 and
can be overclocked to the same speed as a GF3 ti 500 at $400+, which
is 50% faster.

Think of running RT in 1920x1440!!!

Rafe Mc




><snip looooong post, probably with some irony i didn't get, too early
>in the morning :) >

>Yeah, maybe I am stupid. I've always lagged on the videocard front. I
>always wanted to buy the Rendition 2200 when it was released but
>could't find the money for it since I had to do mandatory military
>service in 98 when things started to get interesting. When I got out
>after a year, my P133 was too dated. Then I got a new PC partly
>financed by my employer, but it was a compaq, so I had to rebuild it,
>but didn't want to spend too much money on the rebuild and ended up
>with a V3 3000. Mostly because of GPL's lack of D3D support (then).

>Around this time last year, I was getting tired of the V3 and wanted a
>new card. The V5 with it's fully functional FSAA (which the nvidia
>cards couldn't give) was getting cheap so I bought one. Guess what,
>the day after 3dfx went bankrupt :)

>But this time my computer budget is better spent on a new cpu and
>motherboard than a graphics card, since a geforce 3 or radeon 8500
>will raise the expence from 6000 NOK to 9000 NOK (that's around $600
>to $900). Why not you might ask. Well, I'm not that rich. I have to save
>some money to go skiing, go to races (Germany or Fontana, maybe both
>next year, CART of course) and generally have a life :)

Remco Moe

This will be sweet

by Remco Moe » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:59:44



Cool, now I'm stupid....

GPL runs fine with a V5. Some (older) software I still run, including
Jane's Long Bow 2 and Jane's F15, don't run on nVidia at all. All
software I use today runs fine on the V5. Since I match my hardware to
the software I run, I don't see the need to pay 4 times as much for a
video card what will not improve the fun I've today....

Remco

Olav K. Malm

This will be sweet

by Olav K. Malm » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:07:19




> >This week I've been mostly ordering

> >Epox KT226A mainboard
> >AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz

> Oooooh, I thought that the 1.4 mhz 286 processors were not being made
> anymore? ;-)

Damn :) But weren't the 286 8 MHz ? The 8086, had 4 or something
IIRC. I remember in 1990 when my father bought a new home pc, a 386sx
with a whooping 16 Mhz cpu and a 40 MB HDD. And my uncle a few months
later bought a ridiculously fast 20 MHz machine :) But I spent many
hours with Accolade GP circuit. Those were the days.

--
Olav K. Malmin
remove .spam when replying

Dave Henri

This will be sweet

by Dave Henri » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:54:10

"Olav K. Malmin" <> Damn :) But weren't the 286 8 MHz ? The 8086, had 4 or
something
  Been exactly there, done that.
dave henrie

Tom Pabs

This will be sweet

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 02:49:37

Bob..

You have to be more specific.  Where did I talk about the BRD pedals that
you are asking about, or what was the subject?

I hope you understand that 95% of the post above is to poke fun at Mr.
Henrie and his V5 "oldies" club....he's president you know?

5% was to help Olav avoid wasting money on upgrading his system.

Tom



> Tom as your so knowledgeable where have you seen these new brd pedals as
in
> you early rant

> Bob



> > > 512 MB DDR ram
> > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk

> > > to go with my thrusty V5.

> > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is
> > > months since I did any serious simracing online.

> > > --
> > > Olav K. Malmin
> > > remove .spam when replying

Tom Pabs

This will be sweet

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 02:58:46

Remco...

95% of that post was to poke fun at Mr. Henrie's "V5 Oldies Club".....he's
president you know?

However, what I posted about the V5 is true and correct.  I didn't say the
card was unusable.  And, if you are pleased with it and how it works on your
system, then you should keep it.  But, if you upgraded your system to
top-line......and then didn't replace the video card to "top-line"....then
I'd have to say that was "stupid."  That is the situation faced by
Olav.....and that is what I'm referring to in the post.  When a person
spends hard-earned cash on a "platform" upgrade........running your racing
sim "just fine" isn't in their goal package set.  You know?

If you spent $2000 on upgrading your car stereo system, would you leave your
old 8-track cassette player "as is" because it "plays music just fine?"  I
don't think so!  So, why advocate that its okay to do something similar with
a *** computer and video card.  I don't get it, I guess?

Tom




> >Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommends
you
> >keep yours.  Not with that great system you are getting.

> >Anyone using a V5 currently is either:

> >1.  Stupid.
> >2.  Has a slow computer anyway.
> >3.  Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very
complicated
> >stuff!
> >4.  Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great
system,
> >less than average, so it won't be better than theirs!
> >5.  Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less
> >expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice).

> Cool, now I'm stupid....

> GPL runs fine with a V5. Some (older) software I still run, including
> Jane's Long Bow 2 and Jane's F15, don't run on nVidia at all. All
> software I use today runs fine on the V5. Since I match my hardware to
> the software I run, I don't see the need to pay 4 times as much for a
> video card what will not improve the fun I've today....

> Remco

Tom Pabs

This will be sweet

by Tom Pabs » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 02:59:59

Oh, oh....

No "comeback" from Dave Henrie?  Oh man, he's planning something big for me,
I can just feel it.

Yikes.......

Tom

lol....


> Olav....

> Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommends
you
> keep yours.  Not with that great system you are getting.

> Anyone using a V5 currently is either:

> 1.  Stupid.
> 2.  Has a slow computer anyway.
> 3.  Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very
complicated
> stuff!
> 4.  Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great system,
> less than average, so it won't be better than theirs!
> 5.  Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less
> expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice).

> Olav, let me explain a couple things about my recommendation that you
> purchase a GF3 Nvidia card ASAP, or consider not upgrading to your new
> system until you can do that.

> 1.  I have no emotional ties to either Nvidia or 3dfx.  I could care less
> which video card I use in my system, except that it be the fastest and the
> best graphics quality possible.
> 2.  Since I sort of have a "business" in the sim racing industry (sim
rental
> units for trade show and conventions), I can get the IRS to partner up
with
> me on my video card purchases.  That reduces my expense for these by
> 1/3rd....right off the top.  My business is also producing a fairly good
> level of income.  I can afford just about any video card I want, and have
> over 30 of them at this time (for the rental fleet).  That includes two V5
> cards.
> 3.  Installation of leaked, beta GF3 video drivers is done by most of us
who
> own Nvidia video cards because the install routine is simple, and 3 out of
5
> times the new drivers result in better, faster performance.  However, it
is
> not necessary to continuously install these drivers (released on about a
two
> week cycle, at least that has been the history over the last year).  Many,
> sim drivers are using Nvidia drivers that were released months ago, and
> their sims perform very well, at very high screen resolutions and frame
> rates, with those older drivers.  If you are comfortable installing video
> drivers, why wouldn't you try out the new stuff and see what they give you
> that's new and better?  And, every couple of weeks you get a new set to
try
> out!  That's pretty cool I think (maybe 3dfx should have tried that idea
> out?).  But, its certainly not something that is **required** if you have
an
> Nvidia card (any model).
> 4.  There is a real reason 3dfx "the company" is no longer in business and
> it is not because they had the best video cards, with the best driver
> support system, and the best customer support system.....of all the other
> video card manufacturers.  The "best company" doesn't go out of business.
> That has to be an obvious fact I would hope?
> 5.  You have invested wisely in a high-tech motherboard and an extremely
> fast and high-tech cpu.  However, one of the best features of your cpu
> platform for producing high-resolution, and high frame rate graphics -  is
> the mobo's AGP port......of which you paid serious money to get that
> feature..... and of which, it will be completely wasted if you use a V5
> card.  The 3dfx V5 card installs into your motherboard's AGP slot, but it
> does NOT use the AGP video bus port.  You can disable it in your BIOS if
you
> choose, if you use a V5 card....no sense having your mobo resources wasted
> on running it, you've already wasted some money on purchasing it
needlessly
> if you use a V5 video card.  Why subject yourself to double-jeopardy!
> 6.  Most of those cool, high-res textures waiting for you in GPL, can't be
> used ---- or run very poorly on a V5 card (only after you've installed
some
> very finicky and rubegoldberg patches)....since the V5 either can't load
> 512x512 textures, or does so poorly.  All those cool GPL textures are
> 512x512....or at least the best of them are.  This is a complete non-issue
> with an Nvidia card, especially a GF3 card running on a platform like
yours.
> I run 512x512 high-res GPL textures at 1600x1200 res on my system (and my
> cpu is not as fast as yours) with the FPS pegged at 36 FPS, no matter now
> many AI cars are on the track!  There's minimum jaggies, and near "Kodak
> moment" graphics quality......in GPL.  Under no circumstances could you do
> that with a V5 card.  I don't care if you had a dual 1.8 gig processor
> platform!
> 7.  Last thing, Olav.  If I can run any video card I want on my personal
> racing sim setup, don't you think I'd run at least something close to the
> very best......if not "the best" video card?  I'm hoping your answer would
> be a logical "yes" to that question.  I haven't used one of our V5 cards
on
> my personal racing rig for more than 9 months now, maybe its a year.
Don't
> you think I would still be running it if it was the best?  Maybe if it was
> even "equal to" an Nvidia card I might still be running it?  Olav, the V5
> card has not even been in the same universe as an Nvidia card since the
GF2
> Ultra was released nearly a year ago....and certainly not with any GF3
> Nvidia card.

> So ask yourself, Olav "What the hell are these guys talking about?"

> I just thought I'd point these things out to you since a few guys were
> making some "cute" posts trying to give you hardware advice!

> Regards,

> Tom Pabst

> PS:  As a side note:  Don't listen to anything Dave Henrie has to say
about
> computers, computer hardware, computer operating systems, computer
> software....or anything mechanical or technical.  Dave Henrie couldn't
make
> ice melt on a 100 degree day!  He also knows absolutely nothing about sim
> racing, racing in general, history of racing, driving a race car (except
> slowly or to the grocery store)...and he is completely "technically and
> hardware - challenged" when it comes to computers or racing sims.  He is,
> however, an incredibly nice guy who tries to be helpful.  We all try to
> humor him on this newsgroup, and reply to his posts so he feels good.  I
> hope, Olav, you'll get back into sim racing and you can join the rest of
us
> in continuing this effort with Dave's post so we can keep him feeling
good.
> You know?  It will make you feel good too Olav, its kind of "charity
thingy"
> you know?  Kind of like going out on weekends and delivering "Meals on
> Wheels" in your community.  I used to do that all the time to put my
> "charity two cents" into the community pot.   Now, I just respond to
Dave's
> posts.....serves the same sense of charity and community for me.  You can
> just think of Dave as your "Meals on Wheels" assignment, too.  All you
have
> to do is just answer his posts in some kind of "serious" but not realistic
> way......you know, like maybe say something to his post above like, "Hey
> Dave, what driver version do you use on that V5 card of yours?"  That
would
> make him feel really good (he won't know the answer however, so you'll
have
> to not worry about that).   Okay, Olav - we are counting on you helping us
> out with Dave!



> > This week I've been mostly ordering

> > Epox KT226A mainboard
> > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz
> > 512 MB DDR ram
> > IBM 60 GB harrdisk

> > to go with my thrusty V5.

> > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is
> > months since I did any serious simracing online.

> > --
> > Olav K. Malmin
> > remove .spam when replying

Drago

This will be sweet

by Drago » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:29:28


That's not true, both of these sims have D3D patches for them.
Now RB3D I know for sure doesn't run on anything except Glide.

Dave Henri

This will be sweet

by Dave Henri » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:37:29

revenge is a desert best served .....cold or with a tennis racket?
yes...I've been 'thinking' about you Thomas...
dave henrie
"Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@home.com> wrote in message

news:zqYB7.70189$gT6.35655978@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com...
> Oh, oh....

> No "comeback" from Dave Henrie?  Oh man, he's planning something big for
me,
> I can just feel it.

> Yikes.......

> Tom

> lol....

> "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:s8HB7.65702$gT6.33588947@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com...
> > Olav....

> > Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommends
> you
> > keep yours.  Not with that great system you are getting.

> > Anyone using a V5 currently is either:

> > 1.  Stupid.
> > 2.  Has a slow computer anyway.
> > 3.  Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very
> complicated
> > stuff!
> > 4.  Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great
system,
> > less than average, so it won't be better than theirs!
> > 5.  Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less
> > expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice).

> > Olav, let me explain a couple things about my recommendation that you
> > purchase a GF3 Nvidia card ASAP, or consider not upgrading to your new
> > system until you can do that.

> > 1.  I have no emotional ties to either Nvidia or 3dfx.  I could care
less
> > which video card I use in my system, except that it be the fastest and
the
> > best graphics quality possible.
> > 2.  Since I sort of have a "business" in the sim racing industry (sim
> rental
> > units for trade show and conventions), I can get the IRS to partner up
> with
> > me on my video card purchases.  That reduces my expense for these by
> > 1/3rd....right off the top.  My business is also producing a fairly good
> > level of income.  I can afford just about any video card I want, and
have
> > over 30 of them at this time (for the rental fleet).  That includes two
V5
> > cards.
> > 3.  Installation of leaked, beta GF3 video drivers is done by most of us
> who
> > own Nvidia video cards because the install routine is simple, and 3 out
of
> 5
> > times the new drivers result in better, faster performance.  However, it
> is
> > not necessary to continuously install these drivers (released on about a
> two
> > week cycle, at least that has been the history over the last year).
Many,
> > sim drivers are using Nvidia drivers that were released months ago, and
> > their sims perform very well, at very high screen resolutions and frame
> > rates, with those older drivers.  If you are comfortable installing
video
> > drivers, why wouldn't you try out the new stuff and see what they give
you
> > that's new and better?  And, every couple of weeks you get a new set to
> try
> > out!  That's pretty cool I think (maybe 3dfx should have tried that idea
> > out?).  But, its certainly not something that is **required** if you
have
> an
> > Nvidia card (any model).
> > 4.  There is a real reason 3dfx "the company" is no longer in business
and
> > it is not because they had the best video cards, with the best driver
> > support system, and the best customer support system.....of all the
other
> > video card manufacturers.  The "best company" doesn't go out of
business.
> > That has to be an obvious fact I would hope?
> > 5.  You have invested wisely in a high-tech motherboard and an extremely
> > fast and high-tech cpu.  However, one of the best features of your cpu
> > platform for producing high-resolution, and high frame rate graphics -
is
> > the mobo's AGP port......of which you paid serious money to get that
> > feature..... and of which, it will be completely wasted if you use a V5
> > card.  The 3dfx V5 card installs into your motherboard's AGP slot, but
it
> > does NOT use the AGP video bus port.  You can disable it in your BIOS if
> you
> > choose, if you use a V5 card....no sense having your mobo resources
wasted
> > on running it, you've already wasted some money on purchasing it
> needlessly
> > if you use a V5 video card.  Why subject yourself to double-jeopardy!
> > 6.  Most of those cool, high-res textures waiting for you in GPL, can't
be
> > used ---- or run very poorly on a V5 card (only after you've installed
> some
> > very finicky and rubegoldberg patches)....since the V5 either can't load
> > 512x512 textures, or does so poorly.  All those cool GPL textures are
> > 512x512....or at least the best of them are.  This is a complete
non-issue
> > with an Nvidia card, especially a GF3 card running on a platform like
> yours.
> > I run 512x512 high-res GPL textures at 1600x1200 res on my system (and
my
> > cpu is not as fast as yours) with the FPS pegged at 36 FPS, no matter
now
> > many AI cars are on the track!  There's minimum jaggies, and near "Kodak
> > moment" graphics quality......in GPL.  Under no circumstances could you
do
> > that with a V5 card.  I don't care if you had a dual 1.8 gig processor
> > platform!
> > 7.  Last thing, Olav.  If I can run any video card I want on my personal
> > racing sim setup, don't you think I'd run at least something close to
the
> > very best......if not "the best" video card?  I'm hoping your answer
would
> > be a logical "yes" to that question.  I haven't used one of our V5 cards
> on
> > my personal racing rig for more than 9 months now, maybe its a year.
> Don't
> > you think I would still be running it if it was the best?  Maybe if it
was
> > even "equal to" an Nvidia card I might still be running it?  Olav, the
V5
> > card has not even been in the same universe as an Nvidia card since the
> GF2
> > Ultra was released nearly a year ago....and certainly not with any GF3
> > Nvidia card.

> > So ask yourself, Olav "What the hell are these guys talking about?"

> > I just thought I'd point these things out to you since a few guys were
> > making some "cute" posts trying to give you hardware advice!

> > Regards,

> > Tom Pabst

> > PS:  As a side note:  Don't listen to anything Dave Henrie has to say
> about
> > computers, computer hardware, computer operating systems, computer
> > software....or anything mechanical or technical.  Dave Henrie couldn't
> make
> > ice melt on a 100 degree day!  He also knows absolutely nothing about
sim
> > racing, racing in general, history of racing, driving a race car (except
> > slowly or to the grocery store)...and he is completely "technically and
> > hardware - challenged" when it comes to computers or racing sims.  He
is,
> > however, an incredibly nice guy who tries to be helpful.  We all try to
> > humor him on this newsgroup, and reply to his posts so he feels good.  I
> > hope, Olav, you'll get back into sim racing and you can join the rest of
> us
> > in continuing this effort with Dave's post so we can keep him feeling
> good.
> > You know?  It will make you feel good too Olav, its kind of "charity
> thingy"
> > you know?  Kind of like going out on weekends and delivering "Meals on
> > Wheels" in your community.  I used to do that all the time to put my
> > "charity two cents" into the community pot.   Now, I just respond to
> Dave's
> > posts.....serves the same sense of charity and community for me.  You
can
> > just think of Dave as your "Meals on Wheels" assignment, too.  All you
> have
> > to do is just answer his posts in some kind of "serious" but not
realistic
> > way......you know, like maybe say something to his post above like, "Hey
> > Dave, what driver version do you use on that V5 card of yours?"  That
> would
> > make him feel really good (he won't know the answer however, so you'll
> have
> > to not worry about that).   Okay, Olav - we are counting on you helping
us
> > out with Dave!

> > "Olav K. Malmin" <olav_k_mal...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> > news:u3d49uoer.fsf@hotmail.spam.com...
> > > This week I've been mostly ordering

> > > Epox KT226A mainboard
> > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz
> > > 512 MB DDR ram
> > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk

> > > to go with my thrusty V5.

> > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is
> > > months since I did any serious simracing online.

> > > --
> > > Olav K. Malmin
> > > remove .spam when replying

Todd Sorense

This will be sweet

by Todd Sorense » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:19:04

No you're correct!! I just replaced my V5 a month ago. I don't miss it at
all. It was nice in its day though.

Todd


> Sorry, I got carryed away.  That system sounded stout. Your Voodoo should
be
> fine Olav.

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> > > If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo!

> > > --
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > > Nelson "Mr_e***" Rivera
> >    Nelson he said he wanted to get back INTO sim racing, not spend all
his
> > time learning about drivers, and window modes and fraps and  and....
> > :)  V5=driving
> > GeWhiz2 & 3 =driver updating/degrading for almost every different sim.
> > dave :) henrie


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