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Apologies again to the NH Crew

Marc Collin

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Marc Collin » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:52:31

Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

Marc.

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Marc Collin

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Marc Collin » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:22:24

That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.


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> Marc Collins

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gave

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by gave » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:41:19

 Do you really think anyone cares how unhappy you are with the sim?  Are you
looking for a consensus or an argument?  C'mon man, you've been around long
enough to know how this all works.
Gavel

> That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.



> > Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

> > Marc.

> > --

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> > Marc Collins

> > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Marc Collin

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Marc Collin » Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:59:07

Are you happy/sad/surprised that the realistic damage in N4 is far from
realistic?  If you don't have anything to say about it then don't waste your
time replying to posts on that topic.

Marc.


> Do you really think anyone cares how unhappy you are with the sim?  Are
you
> looking for a consensus or an argument?  C'mon man, you've been around
long
> enough to know how this all works.
> Gavel


> > That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.



> > > Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

> > > Marc.

> > > --

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> > > Marc Collins

> > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Kevin Anderso

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Kevin Anderso » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:33:23

Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't play
it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
your mail reader.

Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

--
Kevin Anderson


> Are you happy/sad/surprised that the realistic damage in N4 is far from
> realistic?  If you don't have anything to say about it then don't waste
your
> time replying to posts on that topic.

> Marc.



> > Do you really think anyone cares how unhappy you are with the sim?  Are
> you
> > looking for a consensus or an argument?  C'mon man, you've been around
> long
> > enough to know how this all works.
> > Gavel


> > > That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.



> > > > Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

> > > > Marc.

> > > > --

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> > > > Marc Collins

> > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Mike Grand

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Mike Grand » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:44:40

My thoughts exactly. But in a perfect, make believe world he is right.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

> Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't
play
> it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
> your mail reader.

> Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

> --
> Kevin Anderson



> > Are you happy/sad/surprised that the realistic damage in N4 is far from
> > realistic?  If you don't have anything to say about it then don't waste
> your
> > time replying to posts on that topic.

> > Marc.



> > > Do you really think anyone cares how unhappy you are with the sim?
Are
> > you
> > > looking for a consensus or an argument?  C'mon man, you've been around
> > long
> > > enough to know how this all works.
> > > Gavel


> > > > That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.



> > > > > Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

> > > > > Marc.

> > > > > --

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> > > > > Marc Collins

> > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Marc Collin

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Marc Collin » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:52:52

It would be a real bonus if you learned how to use a newsgroup.  Do not
reply to messages when you have nothing useful to add about the topic at
hand.  Ignore messages you don't like, unless you have something
useful/on-topic to reply with.

Very simple, really.

Marc.


> Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't
play
> it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
> your mail reader.

> Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

> --
> Kevin Anderson



> > Are you happy/sad/surprised that the realistic damage in N4 is far from
> > realistic?  If you don't have anything to say about it then don't waste
> your
> > time replying to posts on that topic.

> > Marc.



> > > Do you really think anyone cares how unhappy you are with the sim?
Are
> > you
> > > looking for a consensus or an argument?  C'mon man, you've been around
> > long
> > > enough to know how this all works.
> > > Gavel


> > > > That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.



> > > > > Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

> > > > > Marc.

> > > > > --

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> > > > > Marc Collins

> > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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G Patrick

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by G Patrick » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:00:12

Theres an easier way.. In Agent New Reader use KillFilter.

G Patricks


>Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't play
>it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
>your mail reader.

>Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

gave

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by gave » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:17:39

     Name a sim, anywhere, by anyone that satisfies the term "realism".
Learn to code, as you  suggested to an earlier post , and show us the way.
     Suspension of disbelief is  a given  to derive any enjoyment from
computer games. You've been around sim racing long enough to know this,
Marc. Perhaps the ability to give you what you want is not possible yet.
Perhaps time, resources and a relatively small market restrict that ability,
as well.
Gavel


> Are you happy/sad/surprised that the realistic damage in N4 is far from
> realistic?  If you don't have anything to say about it then don't waste
your
> time replying to posts on that topic.

> Marc.



> > Do you really think anyone cares how unhappy you are with the sim?  Are
> you
> > looking for a consensus or an argument?  C'mon man, you've been around
> long
> > enough to know how this all works.
> > Gavel


> > > That's N4 I am referring to, by the way.



> > > > Realistic damage?  Not by a long shot.

> > > > Marc.

> > > > --

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> > > > Marc Collins

> > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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BCla

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by BCla » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:35:27

The last I remember about opinions is that everyone is entitled to one. So I
guess silencing the negative posts (for just a few of you I might add) would
keep anyone from trashing N4? N4 DOES have bugs that need to be fixed but it
IS a good game. If he is unhappy with the game he has the right to say so.
There are at least 10 other things, besides what Marc has mentioned, that
are wrong in the game. IMHO I think half you guys have a NAZI outlook when
anyone says something you don't like. If you don't like what "offends" you
then you can delete the newsgroup and move along to something that you might
enjoy.

Barry Clay
Nazi Hater


| Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't
play
| it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
| your mail reader.
|
| Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

gave

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by gave » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:20:09

   I'm not interested in silencing him.
Gavel

> The last I remember about opinions is that everyone is entitled to one. So
I
> guess silencing the negative posts (for just a few of you I might add)
would
> keep anyone from trashing N4? N4 DOES have bugs that need to be fixed but
it
> IS a good game. If he is unhappy with the game he has the right to say so.
> There are at least 10 other things, besides what Marc has mentioned, that
> are wrong in the game. IMHO I think half you guys have a NAZI outlook when
> anyone says something you don't like. If you don't like what "offends" you
> then you can delete the newsgroup and move along to something that you
might
> enjoy.

> Barry Clay
> Nazi Hater



> | Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't
> play
> | it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
> | your mail reader.
> |
> | Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

BCla

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by BCla » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 03:30:04

Excellent post.
Marc Collin

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Marc Collin » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:11:19

I, too, agree 100%.  After playing with N4 for a few more hours, you have
listed the major problems with it and I agree with your sentiment that after
this amount of time (I thought N4 WASN'T being rushed out the door like NH),
it is a bit underwhelming.

I am confident that patching will fix all of the major problems....but
during what time frame?  Given the time it took to patch N3 and NH...it
doesn't look good.

Marc.


> I don't think you guys understand Usenet.

> If you don't like someone's post, don't reply.  If you're
> insulted/offended by someone's post, kill filter the person.  Berating
> someone is just a waste of bandwidth.

> Like Marc, I too am disappointed with the quality of N4.  N4 is not an
> entirely new game.  In fact, the Nascar Racing series hasn't seen an
> entirely new product since the first one came out; each subsequent
> release amounting to incremental improvements over the previous.

> I expected N4 to be much better than it is.  Sure, the physics model
> is great and the graphics are improved.  But that's it.  Everything
> else is the same as in N3, or worse.  I don't expect a game that is in
> large part derived from previous installments to be markedly worse
> than it's predecessors in any aspect.

> However, a large part of the game is broken - single player.  The AI
> is dysfunctional at every track, though I haven't tried the plate
> tracks yet.  What's the point of a company chasing after every
> driver/sponsor to include in their game, only to portray them as if
> they were trying out for roles in Days of Thunder?

> Given the time between N3 and N4 (remember that N3 was supposed to
> contain GPL's physics), I'm disappointed N4 contains so little new.
> Someone posted earlier about increasing qualifying field sizes - great
> idea!  Nope, not in N4.  How about a *.rpy-to-avi/mpg/whatever
> feature.  Great way to promote the game.  Too radical an idea for
> Papyrus I suppose.  A season-to-season offline "career" mode?  Again,
> nope.  Doesn't anyone at Papyrus have some imagination?

> It's great that Papyrus focus' so much on physics and graphics to make
> their games more realistic, but there are quite a few other aspects to
> a game that make it immersive and enjoyable.  I hope they make some
> effort in whatever their next release will be to come out with
> something NEW.

> So, don't like my opinions?  Well flame me if you like but the best
> thing you can do is ignore my drivel or kill filter me for daring to
> besmirch the good name of Papyrus.

> DD.

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:33:23 GMT, "Kevin Anderson"

> >Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't
play
> >it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
> >your mail reader.

> >Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards

gave

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by gave » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:15:49

   Who has ai that works?  Please explain what " everything else" besides
graphics and physics is. LOL. Seems to me the rules enforcement part of the
sim got better.
Gavel
Larr

Apologies again to the NH Crew

by Larr » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:55:06

I beg to differ...

N4 is entirely new, from the ground up.  New Physics Engine (For the Nascar
Series), and it's the most coveted Physics engine of all time no less.  The
graphics engine is also entirely new.

As for the rest, well, Nascar is Nascar.  It hasn't changed much in 50
years.

-Larry


> I don't think you guys understand Usenet.

> If you don't like someone's post, don't reply.  If you're
> insulted/offended by someone's post, kill filter the person.  Berating
> someone is just a waste of bandwidth.

> Like Marc, I too am disappointed with the quality of N4.  N4 is not an
> entirely new game.  In fact, the Nascar Racing series hasn't seen an
> entirely new product since the first one came out; each subsequent
> release amounting to incremental improvements over the previous.

> I expected N4 to be much better than it is.  Sure, the physics model
> is great and the graphics are improved.  But that's it.  Everything
> else is the same as in N3, or worse.  I don't expect a game that is in
> large part derived from previous installments to be markedly worse
> than it's predecessors in any aspect.

> However, a large part of the game is broken - single player.  The AI
> is dysfunctional at every track, though I haven't tried the plate
> tracks yet.  What's the point of a company chasing after every
> driver/sponsor to include in their game, only to portray them as if
> they were trying out for roles in Days of Thunder?

> Given the time between N3 and N4 (remember that N3 was supposed to
> contain GPL's physics), I'm disappointed N4 contains so little new.
> Someone posted earlier about increasing qualifying field sizes - great
> idea!  Nope, not in N4.  How about a *.rpy-to-avi/mpg/whatever
> feature.  Great way to promote the game.  Too radical an idea for
> Papyrus I suppose.  A season-to-season offline "career" mode?  Again,
> nope.  Doesn't anyone at Papyrus have some imagination?

> It's great that Papyrus focus' so much on physics and graphics to make
> their games more realistic, but there are quite a few other aspects to
> a game that make it immersive and enjoyable.  I hope they make some
> effort in whatever their next release will be to come out with
> something NEW.

> So, don't like my opinions?  Well flame me if you like but the best
> thing you can do is ignore my drivel or kill filter me for daring to
> besmirch the good name of Papyrus.

> DD.

> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:33:23 GMT, "Kevin Anderson"

> >Marc, Do us all a favor and return the game. if you don't like it don't
play
> >it. And it would be a real bonus for us if you deleted the newsgroup off
> >your mail reader.

> >Thank you, and hope you find a game up to your standards


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