rec.autos.simulators

Atlanta wasnt a perfect race 8 cautions for 33 laps but it wasnt all that
bad either.  From what I saw we had a few questionable moves but for the
most part it was just hard racin.

WTG Huggins great win.

Mitch

NASCAR Racing 2003 Season EXPORTED STANDINGS
Track: ATLANTA MOTOR SPEEDWAY
Date: 10/25/03

Session: Practice

      P  #  DRIVER  TIME
      1  27  BOster  29.103
      2  97  Don_Wilshe  29.229
      3  0   29.273
      4  325  Dick-Trickle  29.324
      5  33  Coorzman  29.335
      6  83  grubbat  29.336
      7  98  LTB-Racer  29.341
      8  48  YellowJacketT  29.356
      9  42  bluestringer  29.357
      10  322  Fernando Deutsch  29.373
      11  327  DaveGF  29.384
      12  320  Mitch_A  29.402
      13  00  seery  29.404
      14  3  TNA Loan  29.426
      15  170  joonjoonli  29.475
      16  24  frederickson  29.509
      17  96  Neil__C  29.509
      18  66  s_brunt  29.514
      19  17  j_verschue_RAS  29.655
      20  2  tpaullin  29.662
      21  49  ZZBusch  29.774
      22  92  steve whitty  29.792
      23  99  Elrikk  29.885
      24  67  UweSchuerkamp  29.997
      25  0   30.028

Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph

Session: Qualifying

      P  #  DRIVER  TIME
      1  98  LTB-Racer  29.308
      2  3  TNA Loan  29.309
      3  27  BOster  29.386
      4  17  j_verschue_RAS  29.402
      5  322  Fernando Deutsch  29.458
      6  48  YellowJacketT  29.496
      7  83  grubbat  29.500
      8  170  joonjoonli  29.585
      9  00  seery  29.632
      10  67  UweSchuerkamp  29.643
      11  33  Coorzman  29.643
      12  327  DaveGF  29.659
      13  42  bluestringer  29.671
      14  96  Neil__C  29.688
      15  320  Mitch_A  29.726
      16  49  ZZBusch  30.011
      17  66  s_brunt  30.036
      18  2  tpaullin  30.073
      19  92  steve whitty  30.995
      20  325  Dick-Trickle  --
      21  99  Elrikk  --
      22  0   --
      23  24  frederickson  --
      24  97  Don_Wilshe  --
      25  0   --
      26  177  Dick-Trickle  --
      27  0   --
      28  0   --
      29  0   --
      30  0   --

Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph

Session: Happy Hour

      P  #  DRIVER  TIME
      1  96  Neil__C  29.397
      2  98  LTB-Racer  29.470
      3  33  Coorzman  29.478
      4  48  YellowJacketT  29.505
      5  170  joonjoonli  29.543
      6  00  seery  29.555
      7  327  DaveGF  29.618
      8  42  bluestringer  29.622
      9  92  steve whitty  29.732
      10  99  Elrikk  29.771
      11  83  grubbat  29.859
      12  320  Mitch_A  29.877
      13  322  Fernando Deutsch  29.905
      14  2  tpaullin  30.012
      15  325  Dick-Trickle  30.265
      16  67  UweSchuerkamp  34.953
      17  27  BOster  43.316
      18  49  ZZBusch  1:10.508

Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph

Session: Race
OFFICIAL STANDINGS

      F  S  #  DRIVER  INTERVAL  LAPS  LED  POINTS  STATUS
      1  2  3  TNA Loan  125.600  130  46  180  Running
      2  11  33  Coorzman  -1.88  130  2  175  Running
      3  4  17  j_verschue_RAS  -5.80  130  9  170  Running
      4  1  98  LTB-Racer  -6.94  130  6  165  Running
      5  19  92  steve whitty  -10.87  130  0  155  Running
      6  15  320  Mitch_A  -15.31  130  0  150  Running
      7  20  325  Dick-Trickle  -25.91  130  0  146  Running
      8  9  00  seery  -28.89  130  3  147  Running
      9  6  48  YellowJacketT  -1L  129  0  138  Running
      10  5  322  Fernando Deutsch  -1L  129  16  139  Running
      11  18  2  tpaullin  -1L  129  0  130  Running
      12  3  27  BOster  -38L  92  48*  137  Accident
      13  8  170  joonjoonli  -44L  86  0  124  Accident
      14  14  96  Neil__C  -45L  85  0  121  Accident
      15  17  66  s_brunt  -47L  83  0  118  Retired
      16  10  67  UweSchuerkamp  -52L  78  0  115  Accident
      17  7  83  grubbat  -97L  33  0  112  Valve
      18  21  99  Elrikk  -111L  19  0  109  Retired
      19  16  49  ZZBusch  -111L  19  0  106  Wheel
      20  13  42  bluestringer  -117L  13  0  103  Valve
      21  12  327  DaveGF  -120L  10  0  100  Accident

Caution Flags: 8 (33 laps)
Lead Changes: 10 (7 drivers)
Weather: Clear, 70 F, North 0 mph
Pitstop Frequency: 1x

PENALTIES
      LAP  #  INFRACTION  PENALTY
      9  98  Passing on the inside  Stop and go
      11  49  Entering closed pits  Go to end of longest line
      12  42  Speeding in pits  Go to end of longest line
      15  67  Passing on the inside  Stop and go
      20  67  Entering closed pits  Go to end of longest line
      20  49  Passing under yellow  Held for 1 seconds
      32  96  Dropping Debris  Pit for repairs
      73  322  Unsafe pit entrance  Go to end of longest line
      74  322  Unsafe pit entrance  Go to end of longest line
      87  170  Entering closed pits  Go to end of longest line
      95  48  Dropping Debris  Pit for repairs
      95  17  Speeding in pits  Go to end of longest line

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RASCAR Point standings

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Point Standings
Results after 34 events
      Pos Driver Points Interval Bonus Events Wins Poles Laps Led Led% Top 5
Top 10 Prov DNS DNF
      1 Dick-Trickle 4,895 -- 155 30 5 4 3,274 629 15.11% 23 27 1 0 2
      2 Neil__C 4,893 -2 90 33 4 5 3,212 375 9.01% 17 24 0 0 11
      3 LTB-Racer 4,403 -492 45 30 2 2 3,014 110 2.64% 12 21 1 0 7
      4 j_verschue_RAS 4,014 -881 10 29 0 0 2,830 16 0.38% 4 18 2 0 7
      5 BOster 3,508 -1,387 110 22 4 1 2,335 518 12.45% 17 17 2 0 5
      6 DaveGF 3,264 -1,631 25 24 0 1 2,204 35 0.84% 5 13 1 0 9
      7 JurjenvanderLelij 3,138 -1,757 10 22 0 0 2,364 7 0.17% 10 14 1 0 2
      8 86_k_roberts 3,085 -1,810 10 24 0 0 1,691 19 0.46% 4 7 0 0 14
      9 Mitch_A 3,084 -1,811 35 22 2 0 1,778 62 1.49% 8 12 0 0 9
      10 s_brunt 2,918 -1,977 15 23 0 0 1,499 15 0.36% 3 9 1 0 13
      11 jsimmons 2,604 -2,291 35 19 0 0 1,331 99 2.38% 4 9 0 1 8
      12 grubbat 2,483 -2,412 20 17 1 1 1,748 120 2.88% 7 11 1 0 5
      13 joonjoonli 2,443 -2,452 10 18 1 0 1,816 24 0.58% 2 11 4 0 8
      14 Ed Solheim 2,430 -2,465 20 18 0 1 1,837 110 2.64% 3 9 2 0 10
      15 bamadano 2,337 -2,558 20 18 0 0 1,260 78 1.87% 3 9 0 0 10
      16 Elrikk 2,262 -2,633 5 19 0 0 1,192 5 0.12% 0 3 13 0 12
      17 bluestringer 2,175 -2,720 20 16 0 0 1,664 35 0.84% 3 9 0 0 3
      18 epickett 2,034 -2,861 15 16 0 0 1,014 3 0.07% 0 5 0 0 8
      19 seery 2,024 -2,871 10 15 1 1 1,447 10 0.24% 1 8 0 0 3
      20 UweSchuerkamp 1,843 -3,052 5 15 0 0 1,069 5 0.12% 0 5 1 0 8
      21 bfarmer 1,823 -3,072 5 14 0 0 972 1 0.02% 4 7 3 0 5
      22 ian_parker 1,764 -3,131 15 13 1 0 857 25 0.60% 4 7 0 0 7
      23 49RAS_ZZBusch 1,717 -3,178 5 15 0 0 484 2 0.05% 0 1 4 0 13
      24 mcfadds 1,679 -3,216 0 14 0 0 733 0 0.00% 0 3 2 1 7
      25 T_White 1,633 -3,262 60 10 4 8 1,154 479 11.51% 7 8 0 0 3
      26 jsterner 1,563 -3,332 5 13 0 0 828 1 0.02% 0 4 0 0 5
      27 (LNB)_3 1,516 -3,379 70 9 4 6 1,014 695 16.70% 7 7 0 0 1
      28 steve whitty 1,449 -3,446 10 11 0 0 1,099 14 0.34% 1 5 1 0 1
      29 boyk7808 1,250 -3,645 0 10 0 0 451 0 0.00% 1 2 1 0 8
      30 frederickson 1,195 -3,700 0 9 0 0 801 0 0.00% 2 5 1 0 2
      31 ZZBusch 1,182 -3,713 0 10 0 0 690 0 0.00% 0 2 5 0 5
      32 tpaullin 1,160 -3,735 5 9 0 0 631 1 0.02% 0 3 0 0 5
      33 yad revilo 977 -3,918 10 7 0 0 538 14 0.34% 3 5 0 0 1
      34 DDodge 930 -3,965 5 8 0 0 497 4 0.10% 0 2 0 0 5
      35 KnektR 773 -4,122 0 5 0 0 395 0 0.00% 3 5 1 0 0
      36 Mike Grandy 742 -4,153 25 5 0 1 311 58 1.39% 2 4 0 0 3
      37 Pete_Reston 719 -4,176 10 5 0 0 536 65 1.56% 1 5 0 0 2
      38 Coorzman 600 -4,295 5 4 0 0 435 2 0.05% 2 3 0 0 0
      39 Punisher6 593 -4,302 0 5 0 0 219 0 0.00% 0 0 0 0 5
      40 John Bayes 580 -4,315 20 4 1 1 408 176 4.23% 2 2 0 0 2
      41 TMcDaniel 418 -4,477 0 3 0 0 390 0 0.00% 0 2 3 0 0
      42 Michael Shouler 405 -4,490 15 3 1 2 135 18 0.43% 1 1 1 0 1
      43 Don_Wilshe 402 -4,493 15 3 1 0 288 107 2.57% 1 1 0 0 2
      44 Michael Loos 379 -4,516 0 3 0 0 237 0 0.00% 0 1 0 0 2
      45 RDressler 373 -4,522 0 3 0 0 161 0 0.00% 0 1 2 0 2
      46 TNA Loan 350 -4,545 10 2 1 0 289 67 1.61% 2 2 0 0 0
      47 studmonkey 339 -4,556 0 3 0 0 198 0 0.00% 0 0 0 0 3
      48 MKnutsen 293 -4,602 5 2 0 0 246 22 0.53% 0 2 0 0 1
      49 brucek 288 -4,607 0 2 0 0 86 0 0.00% 0 2 0 0 0
      50 YellowJacketT 262 -4,633 0 2 0 0 234 0 0.00% 0 1 1 0 0
      51 guido mielekamp 229 -4,666 5 2 0 0 71 7 0.17% 0 0 0 0 2
      52 ColinHarris 185 -4,710 10 1 1 0 160 105 2.52% 1 1 0 0 0
      53 D_Burnette 150 -4,745 0 1 0 0 158 0 0.00% 0 1 0 0 0
      54 RobertMSmith 139 -4,756 5 1 0 0 125 8 0.19% 0 1 0 0 1
      55 Fernando Deutsch 139 -4,756 5 1 0 0 129 16 0.38% 0 1 0 0 0
      56 plowboy 138 -4,757 0 1 0 0 35 0 0.00% 0 1 1 0 0
      57 Marco64 138 -4,757 0 1 0 0 38 0 0.00% 0 1 0 0 1
      58 DapperDan 115 -4,780 0 1 0 0 28 0 0.00% 0 0 0 0 1
      59 Phasor2K3 109 -4,786 0 1 0 0 31 0 0.00% 0 0 0 0 1

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Gonna be fun :)

I am so seriously annoyed by the quality of some of the driving out there
I'm going to make no further comment except to say that the occasional
'sorry' would help.

Regards

Then again I am not too keen on in race chat of any sort. I know drivers
manage to communicate by hand signals to the guy on his rear bumper but
beyond that chatting between drivers seems unrealistic and I find downright
distracting.

Cheers
Tony

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That's right enough where 'sorry' is concerned but pit warning and lane
change messages are a definite bonus in an online sim with no real radio
contact.

Regards

Also, I would prefer that lap down cars that are way off the pace
would move out of the racing line when the leaders are coming, but
failing that, at least pick a friggin' line and hold it.

I usually don't get too upset about being wrecked.  Further more I
really don't get too upset when I get wrecked and it was just a
product of good hard racing or simply a racing deal or a simple honest
mistake (we all make them).  However, I have zero tollarance for pure
stupidity and even more so for deliberate actions to take another guy
out, especially when I see it week after week.

Brian Oster

Brian.

It was me who caused the incident, but I can assure you that it was neither
because I can't drive (my 1 win, pole position, top 5 qualifying spots and
top 10 finishes bear this out), or through malicious intent. I was aware
that you was faster off the corner and on the outside of me somewhere.
However, take a look at the replay again from my***pit view. You will see
that there is a period of around three seconds where you was totally
invisible to me, neither in my mirrors or visible to the side. As far as my
line went, I cut the apex of the tri-oval lower than you (obviously) and
came back up some ways. I hasten to add that I was running a much lower line
on the straight, in view of you being somewhere to my right. As far as the
impact goes, and I've seen the replay, I misjudged things and caught you a
glancing blow.  If I was a foot further to the left and we would not have
made contact. The first time I saw you as you came back into view left me
with maybe a 1/2 second to react and this was not enough time to do
anything. As far as driving through your car goes, as soon as I realised
what was going on, I got right out of the gas. I did not drive through you
at all.

I would have been more than happy to make an apology (as I did to Ginger
when we had our coming together), had it not been for the fact that you
decided to react by making inflamatory remarks in the chat window. I simply
decided to keep quiet in view of this.

Your interpretation, Brian. I'll leave it to you to believe what you will. I
try to conduct myself as a gentleman on track, but concede that as a
newcomer to NASCAR and in my rookie year in RASCAR I  make mistakes from
time to time. I'm showing improvement from race to race and I intend this
trend to continue. ...

MS

I was right behind this incident and I saw it coming a mile away. I've been
trying to figure out why I knew it would end in tears (said "No Brian, no...
don't do it" out loud at the time), but I can't. I don't know if I
recognised the situation as dangerous or because I'm very familiar with the
way Mark drives, it was (and is) just a gut feeling.

I have a theory (yep, another one of my theories <g>) about this sort of
incident (where the incident looks braindead to the other participant) and
why they happen more frequently in the NR200x series than GPL, but I'll post
about that seperately.

Jan.
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Brian Oster

Your excuses are BS IMO, c'mon you have a spotter like the rest of us
and if you drive in HC mode like I do than you know that 90% of the
time you CAN'T see the car on your outside and you have to give room
until you hear "clear".  At the point where you hit me, you could see
me for almost a full 2 seconds before you drove into me, the fact that
you hit me in the rear corner alone shows that you could see me and
had time to react.  It wasn't your angle into the tri-oval either..
you simply drove up into me.  I have watched the replay from every
possible angle and that was simply a braindead move.  If it had been
the first time, I woulda let it go, but this isn't the first time.
It seems like I have been around you on numerous occasions where you
have exercised very poor judgement and driving, and some times you
were aware of it but I recieved no appolgy.  You put me in the wall at
Mich. and never said a thing.  I havn't said anything in the past, but
getting spun out on the straight was just kinda the last straw and I
snapped.

Look, I know we all make mistakes and I am sure I will have my share
of braindead moves, just seems like I have been the recipient of some
of yours quite a bit in the past whether they caused an incident or
not.  May just be bad luck or the fact that I can't seem to have any
kinda luck in RASCAR these days.  Just a little frustrated is all.  I
am willing to forget the whole thing and move on I just hope everyone
can start driving with their head in the game a little bit more.

Brian Oster

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:31:27 +0000 (UTC), "Mark Seery"

Read it again: I never said passing outside along the front stretch is
dangerous. I'm sure it was done safely numerous times throughout practise
and the race. I said this particular situation set off every alarmbell with
me as I was following behind. It annoys me I can't pinpoint why this
happened, it just felt dangerous and, as usual, my gut feeling wasn't wrong.

That doesn't mean you did anything reproachable, unsafe or that I blame you
for the incident. Unless I find out what triggered my awareness and can
explain why this situation was dangerous, it helps *** all to avoid it in
future anyway, so don't worry about it.

I prefer faking my opponent to the inside at T3, making him apex early, then
squaring off the corner and cutting underneath off T4, but anywhere you feel
you can do it safely is fine with me, really. You're a very able simracer, I
trust your judgement as to what is a passing opportunity.

Yes, you held your line well, no-one can blame you for that. It just
appeared to me the move was doomed from the start. Again: I don't have a
logical explanation for that. It just felt wrong, but, objectively, there
was nothing wrong with what you did.

Jan.
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