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Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

ra300

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by ra300 » Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:55:16



You really want to drive a FWD Front engine car around Hockenheim?
For me, I'd put a Dodge Neon in the far ditch before I'd get any speed
out of it.

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Jeff Henje

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Jeff Henje » Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:56:18

That's too bad.  I was looking forward to a Bleem that would run PS2 stuff.


> Bleem, despite the fact that they contiune to advertise it on their
website,
> is no longer updating their software.  The last build came over a year ago
> right around the time GT2 was released. As a result GT2 is not supported.
> The orginal GT does work but it is quite tricky to get running
> correctly/smoothly/stable.

> The Real Car Simulator looked pretty promising but I don't think it is
being
> released in the US. You could also try Sports Car GT, there are a ton of
> addon cars and the physics, although not quite as fun as GT, are pretty
high
> quality and can be tweaked to your liking.



> > OK, fair statement.   I've never tried this (wanting to) but how about
> Bleem
> > running on a PC?  I think GT2 was
> > one of the games that would run under Bleem on a PC.

> > Anyone tried it?



> > > Yes, I did.  And the graphics in the NFS series are awesome, but the
> > > physics... what physics?  It's a pure arcade game.  It's fun, but
again,
> > you
> > > can't apply your real life driving knowledge to it.



> > > > You never bought any of the Need For Speed line?  NFS3 was/is an
> > excellent
> > > > game.

chong8

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by chong8 » Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:17:49


We
<snip>

If it could be brought up to PC standards, I agree it would be nice.
However, I don't miss the console philosophy at all. In my mind a game which
'features hundreds of cars' can damn well have them available without some
endless license quest or entering 'cheats'.

MW

Joe6

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Joe6 » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 02:27:06


>You never bought any of the Need For Speed line?  NFS3 was/is an excellent
>game.

NFS5 (Porsche Unleashde) is much better, but still not in the GT3
league. For one thing GT3 has better force-feedback support, a first
for a console game.

Joe McGinn
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Bob Ros

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Bob Ros » Wed, 30 May 2001 10:23:45


> says...
> > Why can't we have a simulation like the upcoming GT3 for PS2 on the PC?  We
> > have every other type of racing simulation available on the PC except for
> > street cars.

Have you ever played the GT series of games?  I don't miss them at all.
Singularly unimpressed.
jalo

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by jalo » Wed, 30 May 2001 10:29:55


You mean like a sim version of Need For Speed? Yes that would rule. But
alas, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

jalo

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by jalo » Wed, 30 May 2001 10:37:28

NFS PU (or 5), actually has pretty good physics, I would call it simlite.
The physics are probably on par with what GT3 will have.
But then you get into the whole thing of just racing Porsche's, not exactly
my favorite *** car company. There is no comparing PU to GT3 in that
regard.


> Yes, I did.  And the graphics in the NFS series are awesome, but the
> physics... what physics?  It's a pure arcade game.  It's fun, but again,
you
> can't apply your real life driving knowledge to it.



> > You never bought any of the Need For Speed line?  NFS3 was/is an
excellent
> > game.

jalo

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by jalo » Wed, 30 May 2001 10:49:03

I hate to say it, but I actually prefer F1CS2000 on the PS2 more than the PC
version. I don't even have it installed anymore (although, it did look sharp
on my Geforce 3, hehe), it's just a more fun dumbed down version of the PC
version. Totally unrealistic, but fun. It's what I was hoping Spirit of
Speed 1937 was going to be. A dumbed down version of GPL. I think GPL on the
PS2 would be really cool also, but it would have to be about 1000 times more
forgiving.

Griffin Che

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Griffin Che » Wed, 30 May 2001 16:52:42

That was what I was asking in another thread some time ago...

Being live in Hong Kong I had the GT3 for more than 3 weeks now. The
graphics are stunning and since I am not a car driver so I cannot tell
how good it is. The cars (I have tried some Class C FRs and Class A
4WDs) are definitely present more grip and response better in
elevation change. It may not be GPL but it is way better than N4S:PU!
And if you do not aware already, they have F1 cars hidden in it.

The cars models are generally a little compressed and the tracks are
not in Real Life (tm). There is a "Seattle" track but I am not sure if
the track is authentic at all.

I really love to see such games on PC!!! Since my place is filled with
Japanese-made vechicles <G> and many cars in the game like VW Bettle 2
(okay this is German), Skyline GTR (R34), LANEVO, AE86, etc, are
actually found running on the streets here. Since there is very few
Japanese made racing game on Windows platform, I am afraid we have to
wait for "Bleem!"-like emulator.

Griffin.

Rich

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Rich » Wed, 30 May 2001 17:32:50

Certain parts of the Seattle track are very close to the look of
downtown Seattle, especially the section that approaches Safeco field
, when I saw the demo of this I had to do a double take, almost
thought it was real, hahah

WSC will be our GT3 for the PC and then some !!!   ;-)

the latest shots of WSC  are very close to the quality of GT3

http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/games/screenshots/wsc/



>That was what I was asking in another thread some time ago...

>Being live in Hong Kong I had the GT3 for more than 3 weeks now. The
>graphics are stunning and since I am not a car driver so I cannot tell
>how good it is. The cars (I have tried some Class C FRs and Class A
>4WDs) are definitely present more grip and response better in
>elevation change. It may not be GPL but it is way better than N4S:PU!
>And if you do not aware already, they have F1 cars hidden in it.

>The cars models are generally a little compressed and the tracks are
>not in Real Life (tm). There is a "Seattle" track but I am not sure if
>the track is authentic at all.

>I really love to see such games on PC!!! Since my place is filled with
>Japanese-made vechicles <G> and many cars in the game like VW Bettle 2
>(okay this is German), Skyline GTR (R34), LANEVO, AE86, etc, are
>actually found running on the streets here. Since there is very few
>Japanese made racing game on Windows platform, I am afraid we have to
>wait for "Bleem!"-like emulator.

>Griffin.

Griffin Che

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Griffin Che » Thu, 31 May 2001 10:33:02

Thanks for the info.

But from the screenshots, most of them shown are "GT" cars. Will there be any street cars?

BTW, my friend tells me that the "F1" cars in GT3 are not "real" F1 cars modelled.

Griffin.


> WSC will be our GT3 for the PC and then some !!!   ;-)

> the latest shots of WSC  are very close to the quality of GT3

> http://www.sportplanet.com/hg/games/screenshots/wsc/

ymenar

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by ymenar » Thu, 31 May 2001 11:16:32


> But from the screenshots, most of them shown are "GT" cars. Will there be
any street cars?

> BTW, my friend tells me that the "F1" cars in GT3 are not "real" F1 cars

modelled.

The F1 cars are actually HISTORICAL Formula One cars.  How amazing!  Nobody
really has told yet if they handle like 80's F1 (with turbo and/or active
suspension, etc..).  Here's the full list of standard non-special cars in
GT3.  The list is fairly old but I think it covers most of the licensed cars
:

Alfa Romeo
156 Super Turismo
156 V6 2.5v

Aston Martin
DB7
V8 Vantage

Audi
S4
TT 1.8 Quattro (2000)

BMW
328Ci (2000)

Chevrolet
Camaro SS (2001)
Camaro Z28 (1997)
Corvette C5-R #64 Racer
Corvette C5 Z06
Corvette GrandSport (1996)

Chrysler
PT Cruiser
Viper GTSR/LM Team Oreca/PlayStation #51 (2000)

Citro?n
Xsara Rallier (2000)

Daihatsu
Mira TR-XX Avanzato R (1997)
stria X4

Dodge
Viper GTS (2000)
Viper GTSR ALMS #91

Fiat
Coupe 20v Turbo Plus

Ford
Escort WRC Rallier (1998)
Focus WRC (1999)
GT40 (1966)
GT40 Gulf Racer (1969)
Mustang SVT Cobra R (2000)

Gillet
Vertigo Racer (1997)

Honda
Accord Euro R
Civic SiRII (1993)
Civic TypeR version II (2000)
CL 3.2 TypeS
CR-X delSol SiR (1995)
Integra TypeR version II (1998)
NSX TypeR (1992)
NSX TypeS Zero (1999)
NSX JGTC/Arta
NSX JGTC/Raybrig
NSX JGTC/Castrol-Mugen
S2000 (2000)
S2000 Mugen Tuned (2000)
S2000 TypeV [Variable Gear Steering/VGS] (2001)
Spoon Sports Civic (2001)
Spoon Sports S2000 (2001)

Jaguar
XJ220 GT Spec Racer
XJ220 Street (1992)
XKR (1999)

Lamborghini
Diablo GT

Lancia
Delta Integrale Rallier
Stratos

Lister
Storm V12 LM (1999)

Lotus
Elise 190 (1998)
Elise Motorsport (1999)
Elise Sport 350 (2000)
Esprit Sport 350

Mazda
787B Racer (1991)
Demio GL-X
Eunos Roadster (1989)
Eunos Roadster (1993)
Roadster 1.8RS (1998)
Roadster RS [updated] (2001)
RX7 RS (1999)
RX7 RZ
RX7 Savanna GT SA Turbo
RX7 Sananna Infini III
RX8 Prototype (2001)

Mercedes-Benz
CL600
CLK55 AMG
CLK Tourer
SLK230 Kompressor

Mini
Cooper 1.3i (1999)

Mitsubishi
FTO GP Version R (1997)
GTO VR-4 (1995)
GTO VR-4 (1999)
Lancer EvoIV GSR (1996)
Lancer EvoV GSR (1998)
Lancer EvoVI GSR (2000)
Lancer EvoVI by Mine*s
Lancer EvoVI Rallier
Lancer EvoVI Tommi Makinen Edition (2000)
Lancer EvoVII GSR
Lancer EvoVII Rallier Prototype

Nissan
180SX TypeX (1996)
Fairlady Z Version S Twinturbo (1998)
Fairlady Z Concept Car (2002)
Silvia S13 K's 1800cc (1988)
Silvia S13 K's 2000cc (1991)
Silvia S15 Spec R (2000)
Silvia S15 Varietta
Skyline R32 GTS-t Type M (1991)
Skyline R32 GT-R Vspec II (1994)
Skyline R33 GT-R Vspec (1997)
Skyline R34 GT-R N1 Vspec by Mine*s
Skyline R34 GT-R Vspec (1999)
Skyline R34 GT-R Vspec II (2000)
Skyline JGTC/Calsonic (2000)
Skyline JGTC/Pennzoil-Nismo (1999)
Skyline JGTC/Zexel-Loctite (2000)
R390 GT1 LM Racer (1998)
R390 GT1 Street (1998)

Opel/Vauxhall
Astra DTM Team Phoenix
Speedster
Calibra Tourer (1995)

Pagani
Zonda C12
Zonda C12 S

Panoz
GTR1 Racer

Peugeot
206 S16
206 Rallier (1999)

Renault
Clio V6 Trophy
Clio Sport V6 24v (2000)

Ruf
3400s
CTR 2
RGT

Shelby
Cobra (1967)

Subaru
Impreza 22B STi (1998)
Impreza Rallier (1999)
Impreza Rallier Prototype (2001)
Impreza WRX STi (2001)
Impreza WRX Sports WAGON STi(2001)
Impreza WRX STi Version VI (1999)
Impreza WRX STi Version VI Wagon (1999)
Legacy B4 Blitzen (2000)
Legacy B4 RSK (1998)
Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B (1996)

Suzuki
AltoWORKS Suzuki Sports Limited (1997)

Tickford
No confirmed cars

TommyKaira
ZZ-S Coupe (2000)

Toyota
Altezza AS2000 (1998)
Altezza RS200 (1998)
Celica GT-Four (1995)
Celica SSII (2000)
Corolla Rallier (1999)
GT-One Racer (1999)
GT-One Street (1999)
MR2 G-Limited (1998)
MR2 GT-S (1998)
MR-S S-Edition (2000)
MR-S JGTC/Autobacs-A'PEXi (2000)
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (1985)
Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex Shigeno Edition
Supra RZ Twinturbo (1997)
Supra SZ-R (1997)
Supra JGTC/DensoSARD (2000)
Supra JGTC/Castrol-Tom's (2000)
Vitz Euro Edition
Vitz RS 3Door (2001)

TVR
Griffith 500 (1999)
Speed Twelve
Tuscan SpeedSix

Vector
M12

Volkswagen
newbeetle 2.0 (1999)
newbeetle RSi
newbeetle Cup
Lupo Cup

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Griffin Che

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Griffin Che » Thu, 31 May 2001 18:44:31

I stand corrected.

According to my friend (I have not played GT3 enough to exploit the
cars, only my younger brother has PS2 and I am 2bz with GPL :p ) the
F1 car has no "turbo" to add to the engine(?) and the tires last
roughly 4 laps. I am not sure if the engines hae turbo or not.

One post mentioned that GT3 is the 1st game to support FFB but it is
not. "Shutoko Battle 0" (Tokyo Xtreme Racer 0?) supports both MS
Sidewinder FFB wheel and the new Logitech wheel (not the old beloved
Wingman Formula Force ).

BTW, WSC only features "GT" cars, not street cars. That is what I find
GT3 fun to run with.

May be it is just me.

Griffin.

Nos

Really jealous about Grand Tourismo 3

by Nos » Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:05:09



>BTW, WSC only features "GT" cars, not street cars.

Initially, but it will have tools to build any kind of car.

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