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What happ to the Pits?

Mitch_

What happ to the Pits?

by Mitch_ » Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:19:33

Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years Ive
noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few rFactor
posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing on the best
current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits and pulled the
user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming the next
Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can be
had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to be
dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

Happy Thanksgivings folks.

Mitch

Tim Wheatle

What happ to the Pits?

by Tim Wheatle » Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:47:50

I'm hoping the guys at RSC will be getting new servers of their own
soon. Right now they are riding on someone's kindness I believe.

> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years Ive
> noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few rFactor
> posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing on the best
> current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits and pulled the
> user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming the next
> Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can be
> had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to be
> dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

> Happy Thanksgivings folks.

> Mitch

Larr

What happ to the Pits?

by Larr » Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:37:00

RSC could be the new leader, but they have just GOT to fix their server
issues.  I just can't stand to go there very often because of it.

-Larry


Scott B. Huste

What happ to the Pits?

by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:44:56

Being a dormant member of the Pits Crew, I won't - can't - speak for Jan
or anyone else there.. but The Pits is really an rFactor modding group
now, which is why you won't find anything about GTR2 or any SimBin
product there.

Scott


> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years Ive
> noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few rFactor
> posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing on the best
> current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits and pulled the
> user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming the next
> Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can be
> had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to be
> dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

> Happy Thanksgivings folks.

> Mitch

--
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http://www.Husted.cc
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Mitch_

What happ to the Pits?

by Mitch_ » Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:22:24

That makes sense.  Too bad though, every joeblow and his cousin is making a
mod and no one else has ever been "The Pits" :)

Mitch



> Being a dormant member of the Pits Crew, I won't - can't - speak for Jan
> or anyone else there.. but The Pits is really an rFactor modding group
> now, which is why you won't find anything about GTR2 or any SimBin product
> there.

> Scott


>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few
>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing on
>> the best current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits and
>> pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming
>> the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to
>> be dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.

>> Mitch

> --
> Scott B. Husted?
> http://www.Husted.cc
> ICQ# - 4395450 | AIM - Hylander12871 | Yahoo - sbhusted


jon.den..

What happ to the Pits?

by jon.den.. » Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:56:02


> I'm hoping the guys at RSC will be getting new servers of their own
> soon. Right now they are riding on someone's kindness I believe.

Shame such kindness does not extend to servers that can crunch the data
a bit faster eh?  ;)

got a little quieter.  I don't really think this is a bad thing, it is
symptomatic of the genre's current vitality.

It seems that more people are actually spending their time driving sims
than they are reading and moaning on forums about them.

This is great in essence but I do find it mildly sad that people do not
discuss at length the fun they are having, talk setups or banter about
the previous night's race with glee and aplomb...  Its not a bad thing,
obviously, but it is sad that the time is always found to moan when
there nothing out there to drive.

Jon.

Rooki

What happ to the Pits?

by Rooki » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:25:05

I wish some of those mods would make their way to nr2003.. even though they
can only use cup, cts, pta  physics  ect... still it would be fun to race
the models around.

the whelen mod died and I guess the dirt late model mod died as well...


> That makes sense.  Too bad though, every joeblow and his cousin is making
> a mod and no one else has ever been "The Pits" :)

> Mitch



>> Being a dormant member of the Pits Crew, I won't - can't - speak for Jan
>> or anyone else there.. but The Pits is really an rFactor modding group
>> now, which is why you won't find anything about GTR2 or any SimBin
>> product there.

>> Scott


>>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
>>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few
>>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing
>>> on the best current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits
>>> and pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on
>>> becoming the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

>>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
>>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

>>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems
>>> to be dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

>>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.

>>> Mitch

>> --
>> Scott B. Husted?
>> http://www.Husted.cc
>> ICQ# - 4395450 | AIM - Hylander12871 | Yahoo - sbhusted


Byron Forbe

What happ to the Pits?

by Byron Forbe » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:29:56

    A few theories -

a) A lot of people were stung by Simbin with GTR and GTR2 still has a lot of
shortcomings - hows the online - how many online per server?

b) whether you're a rookie or not, you take a look at rFactor and see a huge
mess - too much frigging around to get to the point of sitting at the
wheel/pedal set and actually getting to the simming experience. rFactor
could be brilliant if they would pay the authors of tracks and mods a token
fee, sanction their work after their in house quality testing and then
hosting the stuff they give the thumbs up too. I'll be ***ed if I'm going
to spend hours per week or even per day hunting down tracks and mods and
then hunting down the eternal tweaks to those tracks/mods - way too much
frigging about.

c) Sim racing is a huge mess - it needs a world championship for starters.
Which will probably require some sort of "official" organisation.

    Will iRacing be the answer to all the above?


Daru

What happ to the Pits?

by Daru » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:51:06


> A few theories -

> a) A lot of people were stung by Simbin with GTR and GTR2 still has a lot of
> shortcomings - hows the online - how many online per server?

> b) whether you're a rookie or not, you take a look at rFactor and see a huge
> mess - too much frigging around to get to the point of sitting at the
> wheel/pedal set and actually getting to the simming experience. rFactor
> could be brilliant if they would pay the authors of tracks and mods a token
> fee, sanction their work after their in house quality testing and then
> hosting the stuff they give the thumbs up too. I'll be ***ed if I'm going
> to spend hours per week or even per day hunting down tracks and mods and
> then hunting down the eternal tweaks to those tracks/mods - way too much
> frigging about.

> c) Sim racing is a huge mess - it needs a world championship for starters.
> Which will probably require some sort of "official" organisation.

>     Will iRacing be the answer to all the above?



> > Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years Ive
> > noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few rFactor
> > posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing on the best
> > current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits and pulled the
> > user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming the next
> > Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

> > RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can be
> > had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

> > Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to
> > be dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

> > Happy Thanksgivings folks.

> > Mitch

rFactorCentral is pretty much the default clearinghouse for all things
rF. User ratings, user files such as setups, etc. Works well IMO.
jon.den..

What happ to the Pits?

by jon.den.. » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:27:24

I agree, and the only reason I run with rFactor is because I know these
tricks, the amount of people I have spoken to who are new to it and
having a nightmare is absurd.  Though attempts to setup some sort of
"modders guild" went awry AFAIK because people railed against the idea
that someone might be telling them what is good or not.  rfcentral user
ratings is all good and well, except that some of the high rated stuff
I have looked at sucks.

I'd say there is a pretty high chance of that.  Maybe not to start
with, but long term, I'd put alot of money on it (John henry already
has!).

Jon.

Daru

What happ to the Pits?

by Daru » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:27:03


> I agree, and the only reason I run with rFactor is because I know these
> tricks, the amount of people I have spoken to who are new to it and
> having a nightmare is absurd.  Though attempts to setup some sort of
> "modders guild" went awry AFAIK because people railed against the idea
> that someone might be telling them what is good or not.  rfcentral user
> ratings is all good and well, except that some of the high rated stuff
> I have looked at sucks.
........

> Jon.

I look at it differently, coming from a background of ISI games, so
perhaps already be familiar with the various files and ".plr" file
edits give me an advantage.

It's a balancing act. rF provides the opportunity to race numerous
types of cars based on a single platform. It does that well, but at the
expense of being somewhat incomplete as standalone game. For example,
certainly many of the various edits and fixes that are done via text
files could be shifted to click boxes in game.

However, there is no other sim out there that offers the versatility of
rF. Stock cars, open wheels, gokarts, supercars, etc., all under one
roof.

As for rF Central, the user reviews may differ as they are opinions.You
thought it sucked, but perhaps many other ppl. felt it was good. It's a
place to start when deciding whether to dload a file or not. Similar to
the GPL Track DB...a lot of tracks "sucked" IMO, but got great reviews.
I prefer a certain style of track and if a highly rated track didn't
meet those expectations, I simply deleted the track folder. It doesn't
the track WAS bad, simply I didn't care for it.

Dave

What happ to the Pits?

by Dave » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:36:29

Someone has to be brain dead to struggle with the track issue without
rfactorcentral. With it, it's very, very , very, very, very easy to see
which mods and tracks are high quality. Fantastic web site.

Funny how sims with an abundance of tracks was never a problem in the past,
but is now. Seems to me there is an agenda.

--
David G Fisher


>    A few theories -

> a) A lot of people were stung by Simbin with GTR and GTR2 still has a lot
> of shortcomings - hows the online - how many online per server?

> b) whether you're a rookie or not, you take a look at rFactor and see a
> huge mess - too much frigging around to get to the point of sitting at the
> wheel/pedal set and actually getting to the simming experience. rFactor
> could be brilliant if they would pay the authors of tracks and mods a
> token fee, sanction their work after their in house quality testing and
> then hosting the stuff they give the thumbs up too. I'll be ***ed if I'm
> going to spend hours per week or even per day hunting down tracks and mods
> and then hunting down the eternal tweaks to those tracks/mods - way too
> much frigging about.

> c) Sim racing is a huge mess - it needs a world championship for starters.
> Which will probably require some sort of "official" organisation.

>    Will iRacing be the answer to all the above?



>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few
>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing on
>> the best current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits and
>> pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on becoming
>> the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems to
>> be dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.

>> Mitch

jon.den..

What happ to the Pits?

by jon.den.. » Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:47:04

I don't really mean tracks, and I would hope that if a user review on
rfcentral referred to a track as "sucks" it would refer more to the
quality of the rendition, rather than the direction the corners go or
the flow, for a real world track anyway.

I refer more to car mods.  I don't mind people having opinions, that is
fine, but sometimes people look at the "I like this car" rather than
the "Is this car accurately represented?  Are the tyres well done?  Is
this like driving the real world version in any way at all?"

To me, whether someone likes something or not is irrelevant, I like
Mario Kart, does that mean it's a realistic representation of kart
racing?

Of course, none of it really matters, because I can just download it
and try for myself, I don't get sleepless nights.  :)

However, experience has taught me to use a separate rFactor
installation for such activities, because a few mods have been known to
really***things up.

On the whole, there are some very good mods for rF that have had a
quite unprecedented amount of work put into them.  I would gladly pay
$60 for V8Factor, F12005, and the ETCC mod...  The Caterham mod is
shaping up well and the F179 mod is looking quite simply out of this
world in the current beta (Way ahead of the demo, btw), I would pay
$100 for this one!

It is crazy when you think about it, but rFactor reminds me of MSFS2004
as a modding framework, and if you look at your average FS nut, they
have probably invested $100's maybe $1000's of dollars in payware mods,
to think that the rFcommunity provides this for free is simply
astounding, we're spoilt.

Right, I am off to rfcentral to assuage my guilt using the "paypal
donate" button!  :)

Jon.

sparadis

What happ to the Pits?

by sparadis » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:57:19


> I don't really mean tracks, and I would hope that if a user review on
> rfcentral referred to a track as "sucks" it would refer more to the
> quality of the rendition, rather than the direction the corners go or
> the flow, for a real world track anyway.

> I refer more to car mods.  I don't mind people having opinions, that is
> fine, but sometimes people look at the "I like this car" rather than
> the "Is this car accurately represented?  Are the tyres well done?  Is
> this like driving the real world version in any way at all?"

> To me, whether someone likes something or not is irrelevant, I like
> Mario Kart, does that mean it's a realistic representation of kart
> racing?

> Of course, none of it really matters, because I can just download it
> and try for myself, I don't get sleepless nights.  :)

> However, experience has taught me to use a separate rFactor
> installation for such activities, because a few mods have been known to
> really***things up.

> On the whole, there are some very good mods for rF that have had a
> quite unprecedented amount of work put into them.  I would gladly pay
> $60 for V8Factor, F12005, and the ETCC mod...  The Caterham mod is
> shaping up well and the F179 mod is looking quite simply out of this
> world in the current beta (Way ahead of the demo, btw), I would pay
> $100 for this one!

> It is crazy when you think about it, but rFactor reminds me of MSFS2004
> as a modding framework, and if you look at your average FS nut, they
> have probably invested $100's maybe $1000's of dollars in payware mods,
> to think that the rFcommunity provides this for free is simply
> astounding, we're spoilt.

> Right, I am off to rfcentral to assuage my guilt using the "paypal
> donate" button!  :)

> Jon.

George Adam

What happ to the Pits?

by George Adam » Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:49:18


The Whelen mod is very much alive. Check out
www.smodified.com.


> > That makes sense.  Too bad though, every joeblow and his cousin is making
> > a mod and no one else has ever been "The Pits" :)

> > Mitch



> >> Being a dormant member of the Pits Crew, I won't - can't - speak for Jan
> >> or anyone else there.. but The Pits is really an rFactor modding group
> >> now, which is why you won't find anything about GTR2 or any SimBin
> >> product there.

> >> Scott


> >>> Ive been going to the Pits for around a decade and over the past years
> >>> Ive noticed the forum traffic there is gradually fading away.  A few
> >>> rFactor posts but nothing on GTR2 or any Simbin products.  Why nothing
> >>> on the best current Sim (GTR2?)  Has activism gone astray at The Pits
> >>> and pulled the user base away with it or are they just focusing on
> >>> becoming the next Simbin/Corecodec/etc/etc?

> >>> RSC while a great source of info is about as painful of a browse as can
> >>> be had on the net due to it's wild swings in perf.

> >>> Simracing is technically better than it's ever been yet interest seems
> >>> to be dropping instead of growing.  Go figure...

> >>> Happy Thanksgivings folks.

> >>> Mitch

> >> --
> >> Scott B. Husted?
> >>http://www.Husted.cc
> >> ICQ# - 4395450 | AIM - Hylander12871 | Yahoo - sbhusted



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