sims yes. started from day one when i was a kid playing arcade games (ever
since they had those clutchless "manual" boxes)
sims yes. started from day one when i was a kid playing arcade games (ever
since they had those clutchless "manual" boxes)
Jeff H.
> > Auto brake mechanics can almost always tell if a driver of an
automatic is
> > left foot braking. (most other drivers can too! The brake lights are
> > always on!!) Left foot brakers tend to leave their foot on the brake
pedal,
> > which in many cars will ever-so-slightly bring the brake pads/pucks in
> > contact with the disc or drum resulting in excessive brake wear. Fuel
> > mileage tends to suffer, performance is slightly degraded...My
mother-in-law
> > was a prime example.
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:04 GMT, "Jeff Hails"
>Jeff H.
>> > Auto brake mechanics can almost always tell if a driver of an
>automatic is
>> > left foot braking. (most other drivers can too! The brake lights are
>> > always on!!) Left foot brakers tend to leave their foot on the brake
>pedal,
>> > which in many cars will ever-so-slightly bring the brake pads/pucks in
>> > contact with the disc or drum resulting in excessive brake wear. Fuel
>> > mileage tends to suffer, performance is slightly degraded...My
>mother-in-law
>> > was a prime example.
>-snipped-
I tried to both shift without a clutch and left foot brake in my road
car this summer. Braking and turning in went ok, then came the shift,
and my left leg automatically pushed the pedal to the floor. Well, as
far as it could, at least. Pretty good brakes on that car. About now
the car had slowed so much that I figured no point in trying to shift
without the clutch anymore so I pushed in the "clutch" and the brakes
were still pretty good. I had to counsciously (sp?) lift my left foot
off the pedal, and move it all the way over to the left before I
managed to get going.
Changing instincts is a pain in the butt.
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-asbjxrn
Oh Yea? But who paid for that "hardwood Rimu T+G floor"?
I just got a set of cheap Logitech WingMan GP wheel and pedals. I just used
a couple of long drywall screws, and threaded them right through the plastic
base - carpet - into wood floor. The landlord won't even know the
differance.
Ya gotta keep the pedals from moving.
I would've used a wooden base if the floor was tile or concrete, just
"Liquid Nail" the base to the floor.
Heh I like "Liquid Nails" LOL, but then again my girlfriend is 1,200 miles
away, he he.
Oh an' by the way, I race wif a very old pair of trailer worn Reeboks. Real
fellas don't race in socks!
Ya reckon?
> > While still on the topic, I take myself in double clutching and heel
> > and toe almost every time i shift down now. Too bad the silly Golf
> > has such boring engine, so pedestrians doesn't get to hear the
> > throttle burp :) But I don't think the next step which is shifting
> > without the clutch is something I want to do :)
> I tried to both shift without a clutch and left foot brake in my road
> car this summer. Braking and turning in went ok, then came the shift,
> and my left leg automatically pushed the pedal to the floor. Well, as
> far as it could, at least. Pretty good brakes on that car. About now
> the car had slowed so much that I figured no point in trying to shift
> without the clutch anymore so I pushed in the "clutch" and the brakes
> were still pretty good. I had to counsciously (sp?) lift my left foot
> off the pedal, and move it all the way over to the left before I
> managed to get going.
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Olav K. Malmin
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hm. double clutching... what's that?
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> > While still on the topic, I take myself in double clutching and heel
> > and toe almost every time i shift down now.
> hm. double clutching... what's that?
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Olav K. Malmin
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> > > While still on the topic, I take myself in double clutching and heel
> > > and toe almost every time i shift down now.
> > hm. double clutching... what's that?
> Putting the car in neutral and let go of the clutch pedal so the
> internal parts on the engine side of the gearbox can be matched with
> the axle side (or something, I'm not too much into this). It makes
> downshifting a lot easier for those of us who can't afford a car that
> isn't over 10 years old.
Ryan
LOL, Double Clutching and Left Foot Braking on a passenger car.
If you do either you are a mechanic's dream or nightmare.
First off, passenger cars are not "Race Cars". Double Clutching on a
passenger car will do nothing but shorten the life of your transmission
sycro's. Remember those? they were designed to make manual transmissions
shift easier.
Ya know what they really are? Little brakes that slow the spinning gears so
that the dogs that engage the gears will slide into each other effortlessly.
Double clutching just make these little (Brass) brakes work twice, thus
shortening the life of your transmission in half, IMO.
Take it for me I know. My brother's first car was a Triumph TR250 and he
learned how to drive a manual transmission from reading about the GP drivers
of the 60's era in Road & Track. Heh I think I replaced 3 transmission
before he smartened up.
Thank God the backwards English allowed the transmission to be replaced from
the interior compartment, didn't ruin this 16 year olds back at the time.
:-)
Left foot braking is for Senior Citizens, he he. Race Cars have very hard
rotors and racing metallic linings that need to be very hot to work
properly. I know that squatting the car down on the suspension is a great
driving tactic, but you will just shorten the mileage of your brakes and
rotors. DON'T COMPLAIN TO YOUR MECHANIC !
Hell I remember Mustang 5.0's of the early 80's, they had ***for brakes.
Couldn't even lock them up above 70mph.
But that was back in the 55mph days. I think they had 10 inch disks up front
and 9 inch drums in the rear, with 15 inch wheels.
Sheeeeez.
I use to setup those cars with Rancho "Track" sway bars, the only way to
drive was to "Grab A Handful Of Stick" and scrub off your speed sliding
sideways into corners. If anyone in the Massachusetts Route 128 area ever
saw a 5.0 sliding sideways at 80 mph on exit ramp at that time, it was
probably me. LOL
> >While still on the topic, I take myself in double clutching and heel
> >and toe almost every time i shift down now. Too bad the silly Golf
> >has such boring engine, so pedestrians doesn't get to hear the
> >throttle burp :) But I don't think the next step which is shifting
> >without the clutch is something I want to do :)
> >--
> >Olav K. Malmin
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> LOL, Double Clutching and Left Foot Braking on a passenger car.
> If you do either you are a mechanic's dream or nightmare.
> First off, passenger cars are not "Race Cars". Double Clutching on a
> passenger car will do nothing but shorten the life of your transmission
> sycro's. Remember those? they were designed to make manual transmissions
> shift easier.
> Ya know what they really are? Little brakes that slow the spinning gears so
> that the dogs that engage the gears will slide into each other effortlessly.
> Double clutching just make these little (Brass) brakes work twice, thus
> shortening the life of your transmission in half, IMO.
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I left foot brake in sims to be able to use the brake and throttle together to
trail brake and to effect the balance in a turn.
In real cars I instinctively use left foot braking with an automatic trans and
right foot with a manual.
Marty
> > > > Do you do left-foot braking?
> > > I do in both my real car and my Eagle.... Of course I have an automatic
> > > gearbox in my car, but still use my left when braking in a "normal" car,
> if
> > > I don+t have to change gear.
> > wehey! I've tried it a few times, but it's difficult, very
> > difficult. Tried to left-foot brake when I drove Route 1 in a Mustang
> > automatic last year. Combined with having the gear lever on 2 it
> > worked pretty well to take those corners close to speed limit. :)
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> > Olav K. Malmin
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> > First off, passenger cars are not "Race Cars". Double Clutching on a
> > passenger car will do nothing but shorten the life of your transmission
> > sycro's. Remember those? they were designed to make manual transmissions
> > shift easier.
> > Ya know what they really are? Little brakes that slow the spinning gears so
> > that the dogs that engage the gears will slide into each other effortlessly.
> > Double clutching just make these little (Brass) brakes work twice, thus
> > shortening the life of your transmission in half, IMO.
> Ok, then explain this to me, if Olav perfects his double declutching
> technique and manages to perfectly match the engine revs to the revs of
> the gearbox at the time, how can this *increase* the wear on the syncros
> when this means that the syncros won't have to do any work at all, Olav
> has already done the work for them ?
Mr 426 is talking rubbish, I'm afraid. Either that, or
he's got no clue at all about the rev-matching part of
double-declutching :-)
Jonny
> > >While still on the topic, I take myself in double clutching and heel
> > >and toe almost every time i shift down now. Too bad the silly Golf
> > >has such boring engine, so pedestrians doesn't get to hear the
> > >throttle burp :) But I don't think the next step which is shifting
> > >without the clutch is something I want to do :)
> > >--
> > >Olav K. Malmin
> > >remove .spam when replying
> > LOL, Double Clutching and Left Foot Braking on a passenger car.
> > If you do either you are a mechanic's dream or nightmare.
> > First off, passenger cars are not "Race Cars". Double Clutching on a
> > passenger car will do nothing but shorten the life of your transmission
> > sycro's. Remember those? they were designed to make manual transmissions
> > shift easier.
> > Ya know what they really are? Little brakes that slow the spinning gears so
> > that the dogs that engage the gears will slide into each other effortlessly.
> > Double clutching just make these little (Brass) brakes work twice, thus
> > shortening the life of your transmission in half, IMO.
> Ok, then explain this to me, if Olav perfects his double declutching
> technique and manages to perfectly match the engine revs to the revs of
> the gearbox at the time, how can this *increase* the wear on the syncros
> when this means that the syncros won't have to do any work at all, Olav
> has already done the work for them ?
It actually extends the life of the gearbox, and gives a smoother
ride. With a real wheel driven car it is also essensial on snowy and
icy roads, so the rears doesn't lock up.
As for left foot braking, that's not a habit, just something I do for
fun when driving automatic. When driving manual the left foot in
needed for the clutch to gear down in tight turns :) And I promise
you, the roads on the western parts of Norway makes Route 1 look like
a highway. My american relative wouldn't believe me when I told him it
was only one lane, "in each direction he asked", "No, one lane" I said :)
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Olav K. Malmin
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