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Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

Doc Wyn

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Doc Wyn » Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:30:50 -0700, David Ewing


>Yes!  In the age before computers, slot cars were the only way to
>experience motor racing vicariously.  When I was a kid in the mid to
>late 60's, slot cars ruled!  I used to race at commercial tracks like
>Checkered Flag in Torrance, California (which is now a Chuck Norris
>Karate studio).  I had a Lola, then a Ford GT, and finally a Chaparral
>(the 2E with the wing - not particularly fast, but it looked awfully
>cool!).  My brother had a VW Bug.

 I started with a Cox Chaparral, but found while it looked neat,
it was awfully slow. Started building them myself after that, and
never looked back.

 The majority of the parts came from Cox initially, and then
along came companies like Champion of Chamblee, and then Mura.
The best controllers were MRC (if you liked thumb operated ones),
or Parma (modified controllers made by some other company whose
name escapes me at this time.) Best of the best back then was a
Parma dual microswitch controller with external heatsink.

 I raced at the local track in Stock class (out of the box
"sealed" motors, copper/brass tubing homebuilt frames, and stock
car lexan bodies), Group 12 (same as above, motor mods. allowed
but with a "spec." armature), and Group 20 (much different
chassis, much hotter motor, but still a "spec." armature, sports
car body). Above that was "open" class, where it really cost the
$$ to be competitive, even back in the early '70's.

 I still have my big wooden "pit box" and all my cars from back
then...just wish I had a place to run them.

 I hear it's making a comeback in some areas...I guess us "old
farts" still want to play with our old toys. :)

 Regards,

Doc Wynne
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Daxe Rexfor

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Daxe Rexfor » Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:00:00

After reading all this great stuff I decided to throw up a couple pictures I
found on the web a few years ago.  I don't recall where, though it probably
wouldn't be too hard to track down  (search on +slot +car +estonia, can't be
TOO many hits...)  Here's the URL:

http://greenday.ntu.edu/daxe/slotcar/slotcar.htm

For any of us old guys who want to see a track again or for younger people
who may not have seen what we are all talking about.

daxe

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Varmint2

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Varmint2 » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00

     I raced 1/25th scale slot cars in the 80's and 90's.  There are still big
tracks out there and I had subscribed to a newsgroup at one point not too long
ago.
     I really enjoyed that, even more than my RC car.

:-)   Dave

Jo

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Jo » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>I still have my AFX HO set. They are still great fun at parties if you have the
>space to set them up. When I was a kid,my step-dad built us a 1:32 set that
>folded down from the wall in our playroom. My favorite part was designing and
>building the scenery, including a very cool XK 140 that I heated up with a
>torch and then "crashed" into a bridge support, complete with smoke and flames.
>I think this helped me out later when I was building sets for photographers.

We had the slot cars too (not sure what scale - the really small ones)
but your message reminds me of the train set (also the smallest scale)
that my Dad built on a ping pong table. There was a town (wih people,
roads, trees, cars and houses) at one end, and two mountains at the
other. There were two seperate tracks so you could race trains. The
outside track was a long square around the outside of the table. The
inside track went into the mountain, up a sprial tunnel and over a
bridge into the other mountain, and back down a spiral tunnel before
coming out of the mountains. Very cool.

Joe

Jo

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Jo » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>    I am 38 and I remember fondly back to my youth when I (of course) owned
>a huge Aurora 'ThunderJet' HO race set.  It was fun then because you could
>buy sections of track to expand your layout.  It used tose two ittle metal
>pins on either side of the sections and a U-shaped connector to hold the two
>sections together.  

That's the same set we had (also with lots of expansion tracks). Man
does that bring back memories! It was educational too, since you were
always taking the cars apart to fix them.

Joe

Marc J. Nelso

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Marc J. Nelso » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00

"Trains, planes and automobiles"...That's what my wife's always yelling when it
comes time to do a bit o' spring-cleaning around the house.<g>

I have an extensive collection of HO slots from Japan - mostly Tomy (AFX) (F1, Rally
and of course GTP<g>).  Major difference is the tobacco and beer sponsorships, but I
think even Japan has pulled the plug on this one.

FWIW, although the HO scene isn't near as popular as the 1/32 and 1/24 scales, the
cars are nonetheless just as sophisticated as far as parts.  You can get varying
sizes of silicone-covered foam tires that are precision turned by computer, balanced
armatures with custom windings, rare earth magnets, yada-yada-yada.

.005 Lexan bodies are the norm.  A fast car (90+mph) costs about $30 bucks to put
together (including off the shelf car).  90% of the serious folks use Tyco with
nothing more than tires, body, and new gears.  =)

Also, I have a neat-o N-Scale model railroad - Get this: 800 sq.ft!  =P

Cheers!

Marc



> >I still have my AFX HO set. They are still great fun at parties if you have the
> >space to set them up. When I was a kid,my step-dad built us a 1:32 set that
> >folded down from the wall in our playroom. My favorite part was designing and
> >building the scenery, including a very cool XK 140 that I heated up with a
> >torch and then "crashed" into a bridge support, complete with smoke and flames.
> >I think this helped me out later when I was building sets for photographers.

> We had the slot cars too (not sure what scale - the really small ones)
> but your message reminds me of the train set (also the smallest scale)
> that my Dad built on a ping pong table. There was a town (wih people,
> roads, trees, cars and houses) at one end, and two mountains at the
> other. There were two seperate tracks so you could race trains. The
> outside track was a long square around the outside of the table. The
> inside track went into the mountain, up a sprial tunnel and over a
> bridge into the other mountain, and back down a spiral tunnel before
> coming out of the mountains. Very cool.

> Joe

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Marc J. Nelso

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Marc J. Nelso » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00


> Aurora countered with the
> 'A/FX' which came only in a brilliant red color and cost 12$.

The first G-Plus - a Ferarri.  I still have mine.  =)

Agreed!

Cheers!

Marc

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Marc J. Nelso

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Marc J. Nelso » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00


>  I also had the Little
> Red Wagon, but I don't remember who the manufacturer was.

Revell perhaps?

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-Pau

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by -Pau » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I remember shimming my brushes, but you sound like you went to the
extreme.... :-)

I remember a slot car magazine article in which someone built a frame from
piano wire.  Soda straws has that beat.

-Paul


>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:10:49 -0800,


>>I remember a company called Parma.  They were probably based out of Parma,
>>Ohio.  They had an ad in which a kid is holding a Parma controller and his
>>slot car is about three feet in the air.

>And Mabuchi can style motors!!

>>Did anyone ever do motor rewinding???  I always wanted to, but I could
>>barely scrape enough cash to race the car, let alone spend money for
>>upgrading it.

>I did lots of it. After you did it, you had to 'balance' the armature
>by balancing it on the edges of two razor blades! Then you would grind
>a little here and there, and rotate the armature until it would not turn
>while balanced on the razor blades.. Also increased the brush tension
>in the motors by shimming or bending the brass clips. We drilled and
>filed away every piece of metal from the motor that was not required.
>They were just a shell with two magnets and the endcaps. We used to
>install ball-bearings there, but they couldn't take the rpm, so we used
>the standard sleeve bearings and honed them to a mirror. Someimes,
>you could feel the heat from them on your face when you peered into
>the innards of a car that had been lapping.

>We used to bring in a battery, like the ones you use in a camping lantern,
>and clip them to the brake terminals where you attached your controller.
>This would give a LOT of reverse voltage when you released the trigger
>and your car would stop real, real fast.

>The fastest (commercial track, 1/24) slot car I ever saw was while
>living in San Jose, Ca. in about 1966 or 1967. The person that had it, held
>all the lap records etc. The 'frame' was made from plastic soda straws
>that had been lacquered or epoxyed for strength. It had a bad-boy
>mabuchi motor that would only run for a couple of minutes before
>you had to stop and let it cool. The 'body' was a postcard sized piece
>of thin cardboard (it may have actually been a postcard). The postcard
>was simply attached at the front of the chassis and laid across the top
>of the chassis. It went over the motor so it was raised in a natural wedge
>shape, for downforce. Just a flat piece of cardboard, on top. No sides
>on the 'body'... :)

>I have no idea how fast it would go, but my guess would be that it
>could probably hit 70 mph or so, and handle like nothing you ever
>saw. It was a bad, bad slot car!!!

>Just a few memories from my misspent past.. hehe.



>>>> Hours and hours of fun at the track 1:24 and 1:32
>>>> scale. The guys who had money thier dads would
>>>> build them a track at home. Hehe that was fun
>>>> The 60s was great years for motor sports in all
>>>> forms from the real to the play.

>>>Yes!  In the age before computers, slot cars were the only way to
>>>experience motor racing vicariously.  When I was a kid in the mid to
>>>late 60's, slot cars ruled!  I used to race at commercial tracks like
>>>Checkered Flag in Torrance, California (which is now a Chuck Norris
>>>Karate studio).  I had a Lola, then a Ford GT, and finally a Chaparral
>>>(the 2E with the wing - not particularly fast, but it looked awfully
>>>cool!).  My brother had a VW Bug.

>>>I also had a home set - first a 1/32nd(?) Revelle set (four lanes!).  I
>>>seem to remember the cars that came with this were Mercedes GullWings.
>>>And later an HO set.

>>>What were the major manufacturers for motors back then?  I remember
>>>Ram.  And Cox controllers.  And Revelle.  If you look on pictures of the
>>>real Chaparrals from that era, you will see a blue Cox decal.

>>>One of my former teammates at Backmarkers-Ferrari (my old GP2 LFRS
>>>team), who was even older than me, still raced in slot car leagues in
>>>Connecticut.

>>>Thanks for the memories,

>>>Dave Ewing

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Stephen Ferguso

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Stephen Ferguso » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00



My first AFX set had the most bizarre combination: Jackie Stewart endorsing
a race between a Porsche 917 (with lights - Wuhoo!) and a Can-Am car on the
banking of Daytona.  I fixed one problem pretty soon by buying two Dodge
Superbirds (still have the cars - beautiful little things).

N-Scale.  Brings back good memories.  I never understood why people
bothered with those big, clunky HO monsters.  They looked so damn cheap as
well, unless you spent piles of cash.  My N-Scale setup was up to about 64
square feet (hey, it was a small house) but I managed to pack in a nice
little town, a good mountain section and an industrial quarter.  Sold the
whole thing in one piece to a nice man and his kid.  I kept some beautiful
German rolling stock though, and after living in the postcard town of
Davos, Switzerland I feel this urge to get back into it if I ever have a
permanent home.  The mountain railways there are something else, and would
be a fabulous modelling challenge.  Now, if someone would make little
N-scale slot cars... hell, if IBM can make nano-machines, why not?

Stephen

Mike Dun

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Mike Dun » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

It was only a matter of time before Marc poped his nose into this thread<G>
This guy has more crap( aka AFX, N scale trains, yada yada yada..) than
anyone I know. I have been to his humble home.

Mike

Marc J. Nelso

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Marc J. Nelso » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Crap?!  I paid good money for that cra...er...stuff!


> It was only a matter of time before Marc poped his nose into this thread<G>
> This guy has more crap( aka AFX, N scale trains, yada yada yada..) than
> anyone I know. I have been to his humble home.

> Mike

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Mark Owyan

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Mark Owyan » Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Slot cars are alive and well, and seem to be enjoying increasing
popularity.  To answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread -
Auto Worlds Oscar Koveleski is still alive, though Auto World is no
more; Parma is still around, still making popular controllers; 4-lane
banked HO track is still available.

I got back into HO a few years ago after being away from the hobby for
25 years.  Tomy now makes the fastest basic cars for about $20, though
if you really want to test your driving reflexes, for several hundred
dollars you can buy a pro-caliber rocket of a car made Slottech.  
Tracks have advanced quite a bit, with custom routed, continuous rail
track available at the high-end of the hobby, and MaxTrax custom modular
track occupying the middle ground as a step up from plastic sectional
track.  Tomy, Tyco, and LifeLike are the most common brands of cars and
track available.  For those looking for a great way back into the hobby
this Christmas, check our Costcos great buy on a big Tomy set for only
$40.

While todays cars typically depend upon traction magnets, there is a
growing trend against these "sucker cars."  This trend is led by
Auroras venerable t-jet chassis, with new old stock (NOS) chassis still
available for about $6.  The Model Motoring name has been resurrected
by a new company selling an excellent line of reproduction and original
t-jet based cars, lock & joiner track, and other accessories.  Another
option for what some consider to be a more realistic racing experience
without traction magnets is the Slide Guide, a guide shoe for HO cars
which enables them to run on traditional 1/24, 1/32, or custom routed HO
tracks of similar construction.

Here are a few great links for those seeking more info on HO slot cars.
Or, feel free to drop me an E-mail if you want more info on these great
little cars.

HO-USA 'Zine:  http://pages.prodigy.com/housa/
HO Mailing List:  http://www.spies.com/~ahm/ho-slotcars.html
Awesome Tracks:  http://www.origin8.com/bradstrack/
Continuous Rail:  http://www.gofastest.com/
Bit 'O Everything:  http://www.scaleauto.com/
Model Motoring:  http://www.modelmho.com/

Cheers,
Mark Owyang

Rich Koehle

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Rich Koehle » Fri, 04 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Thank you for the url's mark. I'll get a lot accomplished
at work today!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rich Koehler
rgkoehler(at)lucent(dot)com
rgkoehler(at)worldnet(dot)att(dot)net

All expressed opinions are mine and mine alone!


>Slot cars are alive and well, and seem to be enjoying increasing
>popularity.  To answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread -
>Auto Worlds Oscar Koveleski is still alive, though Auto World is no
>more; Parma is still around, still making popular controllers; 4-lane
>banked HO track is still available.

>Cheers,
>Mark Owyang


Billy Moor

Slot Cars anybody remember these from their younger years

by Billy Moor » Tue, 08 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Do you know what you've done?  DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?  I was
perfectly content taking a stroll down memory lane with this slot car thread
and you had to go and post links, which I of course had to check out.  Then
I checked out more links I found.  Then I dug out my old T-Jet set and set
it up.  My daughter (age 8) has also become interested.  At first I got the
set out to just look at (more memory lane stuff), and then _she_ wanted me
to set it up and get it running.  Now I'm looking at local places to race
and buy goodies.  I don't have time for another hobby!  I may have to give
up sim racing now.  See what you've done.  Gee Thanks.  ;-)  But seriously,
I have found out that I'm not far from one the premier HO tracks in the
country.  160 ft and 6 lanes!  Wow!  I can't pass that up.  I've got to go
see that thing and run on it.  I can't bang wheels with Michael Andretti,
Jeff Gordon, or Jim Hall, but the frame rate's better.  ;-)

Billy Moore


>Slot cars are alive and well, and seem to be enjoying increasing
>popularity.  To answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread -
>Auto Worlds Oscar Koveleski is still alive, though Auto World is no
>more; Parma is still around, still making popular controllers; 4-lane
>banked HO track is still available.

>I got back into HO a few years ago after being away from the hobby for
>25 years.  Tomy now makes the fastest basic cars for about $20, though
>if you really want to test your driving reflexes, for several hundred
>dollars you can buy a pro-caliber rocket of a car made Slottech.
>Tracks have advanced quite a bit, with custom routed, continuous rail
>track available at the high-end of the hobby, and MaxTrax custom modular
>track occupying the middle ground as a step up from plastic sectional
>track.  Tomy, Tyco, and LifeLike are the most common brands of cars and
>track available.  For those looking for a great way back into the hobby
>this Christmas, check our Costcos great buy on a big Tomy set for only
>$40.

>While todays cars typically depend upon traction magnets, there is a
>growing trend against these "sucker cars."  This trend is led by
>Auroras venerable t-jet chassis, with new old stock (NOS) chassis still
>available for about $6.  The Model Motoring name has been resurrected
>by a new company selling an excellent line of reproduction and original
>t-jet based cars, lock & joiner track, and other accessories.  Another
>option for what some consider to be a more realistic racing experience
>without traction magnets is the Slide Guide, a guide shoe for HO cars
>which enables them to run on traditional 1/24, 1/32, or custom routed HO
>tracks of similar construction.

>Here are a few great links for those seeking more info on HO slot cars.
>Or, feel free to drop me an E-mail if you want more info on these great
>little cars.

>HO-USA 'Zine:  http://pages.prodigy.com/housa/
>HO Mailing List:  http://www.spies.com/~ahm/ho-slotcars.html
>Awesome Tracks:  http://www.origin8.com/bradstrack/
>Continuous Rail:  http://www.gofastest.com/
>Bit 'O Everything:  http://www.scaleauto.com/
>Model Motoring:  http://www.modelmho.com/

>Cheers,
>Mark Owyang



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