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by **Mark Seer** » Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:00:00

A ping is the process of sending a data packet to a server and returning.
Latency is the amount it takes to complete this task. Therefore if you have
a latency of .5. the ping is taking half a second.

--
Mark Seery
GPML league director
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Hi I have just started going on line in reference to Ron's post what
exactly
> is latency and pings and how would know if you were messing up someone
race.

> Regards

> Bob

> > Hi,
> > I live in Australia, where our pings to America, Europe and generally
> > all overseas countrys are in the region of 450 to 600.
> > Lately, since the birth of the 1.1 patch, i have noticed that quite a
> > few of the hosts i used to connect to are now making it impossible for
> > Australian sim racers to join their races, due to the setting of the
> > Maximum Latency Allowed numbers, being too low..
> > I can understand the hosts not wanting 700 to 1000 ping clients in
> > their races, but a ping in the region of 500 to 600 does NOT cause a
> > problem for anyone..

> > The ignorance on this fact, is starting to show on VROC!!!!

> > If you want to continue to shut us out of your races, then continue
> > with your <=500 ping settings, but i hope that sensibility prevails
> > soon, and the ignorance of the effects of medium latency figures, with
> > a good error free connection prevails.
> > I have raced on-line to America, Europe and England, with pings up to
> > 650, without creating ANY problems for the other clients or host, and
> > it is a real shame to see some of the GPL Hosts on VROC, taking this
> > selfish step in Latency delay Policy.
> > If you really feel the need to limit high latency users, then cap the
> > limit at 600, which is both a reasonable and fair limit to impose on
> > the clients, but to cap it under 600, is just being selfish in the
> > extreme..

> > Cheers,
> > Ron, a sim driver from DownUnder.

by **Ron Ayto** » Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hi Bob,
As Mark said, the ping is the time it takes for your computer to send a
packet of data to the hosting computer and return to your computer.
The time taken for the round trip back to your computer, is the
recorded ping (latency)
It is ideal to have as low as ping as possible between the host and
client, but a medium ping of around 500 to 600 is acceptable for good
on-line racing, providing the client (you) has taken appropriate steps
to achieve a good error free connection as possible.
I have had excellent, warp free races with pings up to 650.
If you are connecting to a host in your own country, then ping times
should be in the order of 100 to 300, any higher than that and you
have connection or Router problems.
If you are connecting to an overseas host, pings in the order of 450 to
600 would be more common, depending on how far away the hosting
computer is located.
With on-lline racing in GPL, it is not so much the latency that creates
problems, (within reason), but lost packets and poor error filled
connections, which causes clock smashing and warping, which occurs when
the client's computer is pulled back into synchronization with the
hosting computer and the hosting computer tries to fill in the blank
spots that happened when the host and client were out of synch to each
other..
The end result, is nor pretty.. :)
If you want any help or any info on setting up your computer and
dial-up connection for maximum on-line *** performance, drop me a
line with any ***ies you may have..
Good luck with your on-line career..
Cheers,
Ron

by **Kirk Lan** » Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I think that you should be able to limit people by quality also. I have
been in races with a .285 latency but when someone with a low quality gets
on (or the server gets too busy) the latency jumped to .35 and the quality
dropped from 1.0 to .98, enough to cause some *** warping.

--
Kirk Lane
Tempe, AZ

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BRT #187

"I read dead Russian authors volumes at a time
I write everything down except what's on my mind
'Cause my greatest fear is the sucking sound
And then I know I'll never get back out"
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>> Hi,
>> I live in Australia, where our pings to America, Europe and generally
>> all overseas countrys are in the region of 450 to 600.
><snip
>>> If you want to continue to shut us out of your races, then continue
>> with your <=500 ping settings, but i hope that sensibility prevails
>> soon, and the ignorance of the effects of medium latency figures, with
>> a good error free connection prevails.
><snip>
>> If you really feel the need to limit high latency users, then cap the
>> limit at 600, which is both a reasonable and fair limit to impose on
>> the clients, but to cap it under 600, is just being selfish in the
>> extreme..
>> Cheers,
>> Ron, a sim driver from DownUnder.

>Sorry Ron,
>I must confess I myself was one of those "selfish" hosts setting flag "L"
to
>300 as I wasn't really aware of the situation you describe.........this is
a
>real treadmill (??Zwickmhle in German??), because on the one hand, you
>wanna get rid of ppl not caring of others *at all* and just click
everything
>that's under their mouse-cursor, on the other hand you wanna get
reasonable,
>fair racers into your event. I for my part will change the flag to 600 in
>the future and put even *more* emphasis onto reminding people to be a bit
>more sensible concerning their attitude when joining races, see my "Some
>more thoughts on VROC-Racing", posted in this NG...........
>BTW, while Papyrus is "looking into the patch", maybe a Flag "A" could be
>implemented? (ping less than 0.xxx + Australia) :))
>cya and keep smiling! :))
>Markus

by **Jan Verschuere** » Sun, 18 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Well Bob,

I think you were in my Mosport race last night. -If that was you in the
Lotus, you looked pretty solid to me as far as connections go. If, for
yourself, you got a decent connection to me, my semi-educated guess is
you'll be pretty much ok on the regular hosts.

One method for determining the quality of your conneciton described to me is
to go into replay mode and "ride along" with host.... if the picture is
stable, you got a good connection. If it stutters a little you're ok, but if
the picture stops for a little while and then resumes at another location
(and the red tell-tale on the tach is reset) your car will appear to do the
Rhumba to the other drivers and it's better to quit rather than messing
eachother's race up.

Jan.
------
New motto: "Keep yer foot in it at T1"

>Hi I have just started going on line in reference to Ron's post what
exactly
>is latency and pings and how would know if you were messing up someone
race.
><snip>

by **Tim** » Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I hosted for an aussie racer last night while connected at 33.6 baud.

he had a latency of over 0.6. But it was one of the best races I have ever
had, because a ping is bad, does NOT mean they are going to be ziggzagging
from side to side in the turns, it MAY mean that they are just a little
further back from where they really are, all you need is a clean aussie
racer, and a clean english racer, and you can have one of your best races
ever. I have NEVER had as many passes on a single lap before, and that's
saying something.

Tim

.

by **Markus Stiepe** » Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Only 1? You shouldn't get problems then no matter what latency.....

hey Tim, you know where I live? :))
cya at..........hmmm...........say: Spa??
Markus

by **Tim** » Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:00:00

we've had a few battles ain't we bud? :o))

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