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No swap file?

Jim Test

No swap file?

by Jim Test » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:39:22

Why is it if I let Windows 98SE handle my swapfile requirements, that
I never see it in the root directory?

On the other hand, if I choose to set one up manually, I see one in
the root directory?

I have 256 megs of RAM, so I made the minimum and maximum the same
(504 megs), and I set it up to go to my other HD.

After I set it up, I go to my D: Hard drive, and there it is!  

Confused...

Also...I read somewhere that if you have two HDs on the same
controller cable that the HD controller will only read at the speed of
the slowest drive.  Is that correct?

Thanks...

Jim Tester

Chris H

No swap file?

by Chris H » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:19:30

Just like the Internet, your connection is only as fast as the slowest link.  With 256 MB RAM, I'd let Windows handle the swap file and be done with it.  I doubt you're using the space you're setting aside.
--
Chris H.

> Why is it if I let Windows 98SE handle my swapfile requirements, that
> I never see it in the root directory?

> On the other hand, if I choose to set one up manually, I see one in
> the root directory?

> I have 256 megs of RAM, so I made the minimum and maximum the same
> (504 megs), and I set it up to go to my other HD.

> After I set it up, I go to my D: Hard drive, and there it is!  

> Confused...

> Also...I read somewhere that if you have two HDs on the same
> controller cable that the HD controller will only read at the speed of
> the slowest drive.  Is that correct?

> Thanks...

> Jim Tester


Steve Smit

No swap file?

by Steve Smit » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:33:31

Jim,

The reason you want to specify yer own swapfile is 'cuz if you leave it
open-ended (the way Win handles it) it's fragmented all over the place.  So,
you pick a number (usually abt. 64K larger than yer RAM) and specify max &

appears in the root of C:).  But you don't want to stop there.  You want to
add the line "ConservativeSwapfileUseage=1" to the 386 enh stanza of yer
system.ini file to force Win to swap to RAM before it swaps to disk (RAM is
obviously faster), and you want to use a util like Norton to move the
swapfile to the very beginning (inner ring) of the disk for faster access.
(WinME has a setting which accomplishes the same thing).

If you want to learn a *lot* more abt. system.ini (more than anyone should
ever *have to* know), visit:

http://members.aol.com/axcel216/lastweek.htm#SYSINI

--Steve


> Why is it if I let Windows 98SE handle my swapfile requirements, that
> I never see it in the root directory?

> On the other hand, if I choose to set one up manually, I see one in
> the root directory?

> I have 256 megs of RAM, so I made the minimum and maximum the same
> (504 megs), and I set it up to go to my other HD.

> After I set it up, I go to my D: Hard drive, and there it is!

> Confused...

> Also...I read somewhere that if you have two HDs on the same
> controller cable that the HD controller will only read at the speed of
> the slowest drive.  Is that correct?

> Thanks...

> Jim Tester


ikste

No swap file?

by ikste » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:58:11


<snip>

It's been a while since I subjected myself to Win98 but from memory, the system
managed swapfile sits in the C:\WINDOWS directory, but user defined ones go in
the root directory of the drive.  Also check that your root directory doesn't
have folder customisations which hide hidden or system files.

iksteh

B Farme

No swap file?

by B Farme » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:31:53


Just like the Internet, your connection is only as fast as the slowest link.
With 256 MB RAM, I'd let Windows handle the swap file and be done with it.
I doubt you're using the space you're setting aside.
--
Chris H.


<snip>

> Also...I read somewhere that if you have two HDs on the same
> controller cable that the HD controller will only read at the speed of
> the slowest drive.  Is that correct?

> Thanks...

> Jim Tester


Old news...  recent, modern IDE controllers are uneffected by different
speed devices on the same channel.

HTH,
Brian

Chris H

No swap file?

by Chris H » Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:55:18

Well, DUH!  Must have had my head in my old 486 DX2-66.  Brian's absolutely correct that current IDE specs no longer push the drives to operate at the "lowest common denominator" as they did several years ago.

The only "obstacle" in placing a swap (pagefile in Windows XP) in a different location would be in putting it on a second hard drive with a much slower seek time.  Placing the swap (pagefile) on the same hard drive but different partition has other benefits over the same partition as the operating system, but doesn't increase the efficiency because it still is on the same physical drive.

Best benefit of moving the swap (pagefile) to a different physical hard drive is if that drive is the least used between the system drive and "storage" drive, since a seek across several tens of fragmented tracks is what needs to be avoided.

If, after switching the swap (pagefile) to the second physical hard drive doesn't give any benefits in access time, then another - solvable - problem probably exists:  You need more RAM, because your system usage is not able to use all the available memory (faster) and has to rely on trading files to the physical hard drive (slower).
--
Chris H.


> Old news...  recent, modern IDE controllers are uneffected by different
> speed devices on the same channel.

> HTH,
> Brian

rik zeppeli

No swap file?

by rik zeppeli » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:51:43




> > Why is it if I let Windows 98SE handle my swapfile requirements, that
> > I never see it in the root directory?

> > On the other hand, if I choose to set one up manually, I see one in
> > the root directory?
> <snip>

> It's been a while since I subjected myself to Win98 but from memory, the
system
> managed swapfile sits in the C:\WINDOWS directory, but user defined ones
go in
> the root directory of the drive.  Also check that your root directory
doesn't
> have folder customisations which hide hidden or system files.

It is one of the hidden files, if you have that option checked.
Rafe McAuliff

No swap file?

by Rafe McAuliff » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:22:12

NOOOO! Don't do this!

I tries it a while back and it killed my windows installation
(win98SE). All of a sudden I had memory crashes, drop of FPS in all
games and my system came to a standstill. I removed the setting and I
got back most of my system stability, but not all.

In the end, I was forced to reinstall Windows, all from this damn
setting.

I STRONGLY advise against using it!!!

Rafe Mc

Steve Smit

No swap file?

by Steve Smit » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:43:15

Rafe,

Musta been sumpin else (mebbe sumpin you et).  I've got 5 computers hummin
away here, 4 runnin ME and one stuck on plain-jane 98 (SE was a disaster for
me), and they've all got the conservative swapfile useage line.  There is no
effect on frame rate, nor on launching/loading, but the *second* time you
load a game or a track or a file, it really flies.

Did you visit:

http://members.aol.com/axcel216/lastweek.htm#SYSINI

or are you just shootin from the lip?

--Steve


Biz

No swap file?

by Biz » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:21:35

Something else must have happened Rafe, because that setting cannot "kill" anything....
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


Chris H

No swap file?

by Chris H » Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:28:19

One word:  Huh?
--
Chris H.

> Two words:

> ENTER KEY


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