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NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

mjones5

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by mjones5 » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:57:30

Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be false. Still
rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had these problems,
everything else is the same.
have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular or no problems
with this ASUS board?
Mitch_

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Mitch_ » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:49:53

I run the P4C800 Deluxe/P4-2.6/800 9700Pro great.  Not saying *YOUR* mobo
isnt the problem though.  QC aint what it used to be ya know ;)  I havent
been following to close but did you do a clean re-install of XP latest
drivers and then try NR2003?  What about heat issues?  Power supply?
Memory?  Do you have the ability to swap out any components with another
box?

Mitch


Michael Horto

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Michael Horto » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:45:18

I haven't been following all that close myself so I'll toss this one in.
Like Mitch mentioned, it sounds similar to the heat issues some were having
with 3dfx cards and GPL. The best way to test if it was heat was to pull the
covers off the computer and see if it still rebooted. I'm pretty sure that
test would apply in this case. If you can run with the covers off and not
have it reboot then your card is overheating and crashing your computer. An
extra fan will fix that.

Mike Horton
http://www.cta-racing.com


> I run the P4C800 Deluxe/P4-2.6/800 9700Pro great.  Not saying *YOUR* mobo
> isnt the problem though.  QC aint what it used to be ya know ;)  I havent
> been following to close but did you do a clean re-install of XP latest
> drivers and then try NR2003?  What about heat issues?  Power supply?
> Memory?  Do you have the ability to swap out any components with another
> box?

> Mitch



> > Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be false. Still
> > rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
> > I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
> > ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had these
> problems,
> > everything else is the same.
> > have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular or no
problems
> > with this ASUS board?

David G Fishe

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by David G Fishe » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:38:49


I said in another thread that N2003 rebooted my computer constantly until I
took the cover off the tower. Mjones hans't said yet if he tried a heat
test.

David G Fisher

Joao Gonzale

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Joao Gonzale » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:11:05


> I haven't been following all that close myself so I'll toss this one in.
> Like Mitch mentioned, it sounds similar to the heat issues some were
having
> with 3dfx cards and GPL. The best way to test if it was heat was to pull
the
> covers off the computer and see if it still rebooted. I'm pretty sure that
> test would apply in this case. If you can run with the covers off and not
> have it reboot then your card is overheating and crashing your computer.
An
> extra fan will fix that.

> Mike Horton
> http://www.cta-racing.com



> > I run the P4C800 Deluxe/P4-2.6/800 9700Pro great.  Not saying *YOUR*
mobo
> > isnt the problem though.  QC aint what it used to be ya know ;)  I
havent
> > been following to close but did you do a clean re-install of XP latest
> > drivers and then try NR2003?  What about heat issues?  Power supply?
> > Memory?  Do you have the ability to swap out any components with another
> > box?

> > Mitch



> > > Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be false. Still
> > > rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
> > > I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
> > > ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had these
> > problems,
> > > everything else is the same.
> > > have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular or no
> problems
> > > with this ASUS board?

If you haven't done so yet, install ASUS Probe. It's very handy to detect
heat issues. I had the same problem with Unreal 2. Crashed the PC after a
few minutes of play. It turned out to be heat (temps over 70C in the CPU).
Had to use change the Intel Heatsink & Fan for a better one.

Jo?o Gonzalez

Joachim Trens

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:34:43


> Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be false. Still
> rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
> I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
> ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had these problems,
> everything else is the same.
> have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular or no problems
> with this ASUS board?

When you say 'deleted' - did you delete the directory, or actually
uninstall Norton?

It could be heat, of course, but are you positively sure nothing related
to that Antivirus thing is still loaded? Because I think I read about
one of these AV things that was still running, or some modules of it,
although it had either been disabled or uninstalled, I forget which.

If you've deinstalled it, use a process viewer to check what's loaded.
Other processes than the AV might have a similar effect btw.

When I'm racing, I have only 6 processes running (plus the game). That's
in WinME. Every additional process can cause probs. Especially things
that keep polling or checking something.

You might also want to read:
http://www.blackviper.com/Articles/OS/OSguides.htm

Select a guide for the OS you're using, and read it. If you're running
XP or 2K, especially the Services Configuration guides may be helpful.

Achim

mjones5

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by mjones5 » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:41:22

yes, i've tried taking the cover off and even pointing a fan at it.




> > I haven't been following all that close myself so I'll toss this one in.
> > Like Mitch mentioned, it sounds similar to the heat issues some were
> having
> > with 3dfx cards and GPL. The best way to test if it was heat was to pull
> the
> > covers off the computer and see if it still rebooted. I'm pretty sure
that
> > test would apply in this case. If you can run with the covers off and
not
> > have it reboot then your card is overheating and crashing your computer.
> An
> > extra fan will fix that.

> > Mike Horton
> > http://www.cta-racing.com

> I said in another thread that N2003 rebooted my computer constantly until
I
> took the cover off the tower. Mjones hans't said yet if he tried a heat
> test.

> David G Fisher

Darryl Johnso

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Darryl Johnso » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:12:14

Joao Gonzalez wrote in



>> I haven't been following all that close myself so I'll toss this
>> one in. Like Mitch mentioned, it sounds similar to the heat
>> issues some were
> having
>> with 3dfx cards and GPL. The best way to test if it was heat was
>> to pull
> the
>> covers off the computer and see if it still rebooted. I'm pretty
>> sure that test would apply in this case. If you can run with the
>> covers off and not have it reboot then your card is overheating
>> and crashing your computer.
> An
>> extra fan will fix that.

>> Mike Horton
>> http://www.cta-racing.com



>> > I run the P4C800 Deluxe/P4-2.6/800 9700Pro great.  Not saying
>> > *YOUR*
> mobo
>> > isnt the problem though.  QC aint what it used to be ya know ;)
>> >  I
> havent
>> > been following to close but did you do a clean re-install of XP
>> > latest drivers and then try NR2003?  What about heat issues?
>> > Power supply? Memory?  Do you have the ability to swap out any
>> > components with another box?

>> > Mitch



>> > > Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be
>> > > false. Still rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
>> > > I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
>> > > ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had
>> > > these
>> > problems,
>> > > everything else is the same.
>> > > have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular
>> > > or no
>> problems
>> > > with this ASUS board?

> If you haven't done so yet, install ASUS Probe. It's very handy to
> detect heat issues. I had the same problem with Unreal 2. Crashed
> the PC after a few minutes of play. It turned out to be heat
> (temps over 70C in the CPU). Had to use change the Intel Heatsink
> & Fan for a better one.

> Jo?o Gonzalez

Just a shot in the dark here, but I had a series of problems with my
XP box. GPL would CTD, as would FS 2000. Other stuff seemed to work
OK. I switched video cards (from a GeForce3 to an old TNT2 Ultra) and
things seemed to be better. But not perfect. Variouis diagnostic
programs reported various video errors with both cards.

In the end, it turned out to be XP updates that were the root of the
problem. Things worked before the updates; didn't work after. (Of
course, I had done a bunch of other work onthe computer after being
away for several weeks, and I didn't get around to playing GPL until
it was too late to do a recovery back to a pre-update version of the
OS.)

Eventually, MS released some more updates that seem to have fixed the
problem. My GeForce3 card is now reinstalled and I am a happy camper
playing GPL, F1C, FS and several of the mods. You might want to check
with the MS web site and see that you have all the latest updates,
drivers, etc.

HTH,
--
  Darryl

Rick Dressl

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Rick Dressl » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:58:22



I have an Asus motherboard (p4pe) & had rebooting problems with NR2003
also.  It was the onboard sound.  I disabled it in the bios & added a
Turtle Beach sound card.  The problem was solved.  

Anyway, if you want to find out if it is a software problem, go to
start, settings, control panel, system, advanced tab, startup and
recovery settings.  Uncheck "Automatically Restart".  Now the computer
will stop at the blue screen.  This will let you see which process
caused the reboot.  I have XP pro & this is how I found my problem.

I hope this helps.
Rick

Pete

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Pete » Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:04:25

    How big a PS are you using? If you have a 300W it
probably isn't getting juice enough to the video card.

    Pete


Dave

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by Dave » Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:28:44

As Rick stated here, it is an onboard sound problem.
I have the P4C800 Deluxe with the 2.8 P4 and had problems until I turned the
hardware acceleration down a notch on the sound.
Once I did that, it has worked flawlessly since then.

Go to the Sierra support site
(http://techsupport.vuinteractive.com/techsupport/sierra/support.asp) and
type "sound" in the keyword.
You will get the complete run down on what to do.

For the short version...

From the Windows Desktop:
-Click START, RUN, and type Dxdiag.
-Click Okay and wait for the DirectX Diagnostic Tool to appear.

Click on the Sound tab and click the Full Acceleration slider back one
notch.

This should fix it if your problem is the same as mine.

Cheers,

Dave




> >Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be false. Still
> >rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
> >I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
> >ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had these
problems,
> >everything else is the same.
> >have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular or no
problems
> >with this ASUS board?

> I have an Asus motherboard (p4pe) & had rebooting problems with NR2003
> also.  It was the onboard sound.  I disabled it in the bios & added a
> Turtle Beach sound card.  The problem was solved.

> Anyway, if you want to find out if it is a software problem, go to
> start, settings, control panel, system, advanced tab, startup and
> recovery settings.  Uncheck "Automatically Restart".  Now the computer
> will stop at the blue screen.  This will let you see which process
> caused the reboot.  I have XP pro & this is how I found my problem.

> I hope this helps.
> Rick

mjones5

NR2003, NOT FIXED, Must be ASUS MB

by mjones5 » Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:06:32

no, it was nothing to do with the sound. I had the onboard off with the
Audigy, and had tried turning it down, nothing  would help.

> As Rick stated here, it is an onboard sound problem.
> I have the P4C800 Deluxe with the 2.8 P4 and had problems until I turned
the
> hardware acceleration down a notch on the sound.
> Once I did that, it has worked flawlessly since then.

> Go to the Sierra support site
> (http://techsupport.vuinteractive.com/techsupport/sierra/support.asp) and
> type "sound" in the keyword.
> You will get the complete run down on what to do.

> For the short version...

> From the Windows Desktop:
> -Click START, RUN, and type Dxdiag.
> -Click Okay and wait for the DirectX Diagnostic Tool to appear.

> Click on the Sound tab and click the Full Acceleration slider back one
> notch.

> This should fix it if your problem is the same as mine.

> Cheers,

> Dave





> > >Well, my hopes of the Norton fixing it turned out to be false. Still
> > >rebooting, even deleted norton to test. No, go
> > >I now feel pretty sure it is something to do with this
> > >ASUS P4C800 MB, I had an Intel D875 before it and never had these
> problems,
> > >everything else is the same.
> > >have the latest bios.  Anyone else have the same or simular or no
> problems
> > >with this ASUS board?

> > I have an Asus motherboard (p4pe) & had rebooting problems with NR2003
> > also.  It was the onboard sound.  I disabled it in the bios & added a
> > Turtle Beach sound card.  The problem was solved.

> > Anyway, if you want to find out if it is a software problem, go to
> > start, settings, control panel, system, advanced tab, startup and
> > recovery settings.  Uncheck "Automatically Restart".  Now the computer
> > will stop at the blue screen.  This will let you see which process
> > caused the reboot.  I have XP pro & this is how I found my problem.

> > I hope this helps.
> > Rick


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