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NSR - You really shouldn't be supporting this game...

Mitch_

NSR - You really shouldn't be supporting this game...

by Mitch_ » Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:14:59


> "The current mandatory hours are 9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with
> the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm). "

> Jeez...  Might as well join the Military!

> -Larry



>> If you believe this;

>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> --
>> 1904 - Daytona Beach Florida

>> Glenn H. Curtiss American aviation pioneer, makes first official 60mph
>> motorcycle run.
>> Powered by one of the first American made twin cylinder engines.

Maybe the Navy starts works at 9am but the real military starts its day just
a bit earlier ;)

Mitch
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Pete

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by Pete » Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:57:35


    Is it fair and just if true? No, but nothing has changed from day one in
this indusrtry.
I started programming in 1974 and lasted until 1979. I worked 90 hours some
weeks in
order to achieve project deadlines. I rarely worked a 40 hour work week
which was the
salaried time I had been led to believe I would be working when I was hired.
    I have had situations where I was called into work at 7.30 am and was
still there at
2.30 am the next morning and was back in again at 7.30 am. I was given
special favours on
occasion by senior management even though my immediate bosses didn't
approve.
    The hours forced me to become a better programmer and made me a much
more efficient
manager of my time. When I left the company they were forced to hire two
people to do the job
I did by myself and at a higher pay. I got even by not sharing all the
secrets that I learned
over a period of 5 years which cut coding time significantly.
    The m***of the story was that they became clients of mine and I made
far more money
in consultation fees than they ever paid me as an employee.
    It's a case of free choice. I used the opportunity as a learning tool
that paid huge
dividends when I moved on to bigger and better things.
    It's a case of supply and demand if people are willing to put up with
poor working conditions
and low pay the onus is on them to deal with it. If EA is breaking the law
there are ways to deal
with that as well.
    Do I like EA? No! But if they produce a good product that won't stop me
from purchasing it.
As an aside, I for the first time bought NSR and think they have done a
decent job. It still needs
many bugs addressed but it is a huge step in the right direction for them.

    Pete

Larr

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by Larr » Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:25:46

Well, that's true, but I was more into the 13 hour day part :)

I've did months on end of port/starboard duty.  Now THAT sucked.

-Larry



> > "The current mandatory hours are 9am to 10pm -- seven days a week --
with
> > the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm). "

> > Jeez...  Might as well join the Military!

> > -Larry



> >> If you believe this;

> >> http://www.livejournal.com/users/ea_spouse/274.html

> >> --
> >> 1904 - Daytona Beach Florida

> >> Glenn H. Curtiss American aviation pioneer, makes first official 60mph
> >> motorcycle run.
> >> Powered by one of the first American made twin cylinder engines.

> Maybe the Navy starts works at 9am but the real military starts its day
just
> a bit earlier ;)

> Mitch
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Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:47:21


> Well, that's true, but I was more into the 13 hour day part :)

> I've did months on end of port/starboard duty.  Now THAT sucked.

> -Larry

I dont know exactly what that is but it sure doesnt sound very fun :)  CQ or
firegaurd are the terms that comes to my mind as Army equivalents.

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Larr

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by Larr » Thu, 24 Feb 2005 04:01:41

6 hrs on, 6 hrs off.  6 hrs on, 6 hrs off.  6 hrs on, 6 hrs off.  Repeat,
many times, for 6 months.

And if there are Drills, compartment cleaning, GQ, etc... during your 'off'
segment tough shit.

No one ever advertised it as a pleasure cruise :)

-Larry



> > Well, that's true, but I was more into the 13 hour day part :)

> > I've did months on end of port/starboard duty.  Now THAT sucked.

> > -Larry

> I dont know exactly what that is but it sure doesnt sound very fun :)  CQ
or
> firegaurd are the terms that comes to my mind as Army equivalents.

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Ed Medli

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by Ed Medli » Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:48:21


Port and Starboard duty was 12 on and 12 off when I was in....... Showing
some age here.....:-). We did not have to stand for inspections or any other
duty besides GQ drills while we were on P&S duty.

Ed

Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:46:57




>>6 hrs on, 6 hrs off.  6 hrs on, 6 hrs off.  6 hrs on, 6 hrs off.  Repeat,
>> many times, for 6 months.

>> And if there are Drills, compartment cleaning, GQ, etc... during your
>> 'off'
>> segment tough shit.

>> No one ever advertised it as a pleasure cruise :)

>> -Larry

> Port and Starboard duty was 12 on and 12 off when I was in....... Showing
> some age here.....:-). We did not have to stand for inspections or any
> other duty besides GQ drills while we were on P&S duty.

> Ed

why am I not suprised the Navy has GQ ;)  I woulda though cosmo was a better
fit for the Navy ;)

Mitch
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not spa

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by not spa » Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:25:03



The other factor that will keep me from buying anything from EA is now
the fact that they are the only show in town.  By buying exclusive
rights to nascar, they have little to no incentive to fix anything
until nascar 2006 or beyond.  Offer low pay/hour worked and***the
money away on exclusive rights so that you don't have to make a
stellar product to compete in the marketplace.  Nascar already got
their money, I'm sure they really care if EA accurately depicts their
"sport" other than to make sure that track debris yellow flags get
deployed whenever born lucky Jr gets behind.

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:41:24


> If you started looking into all the bad things employers did to it's
> employees around the world you probably would find a lot worse stuff then
> this. Look at China for instance. You probably own a bunch of stuff that was
> made by a four year old in a sweatshop.

Yes, but the poor underpaid Chinaman was probably manufacturing under
contract for Disney or such like. You think China is screwing you, but
actually some US corp is screwing you and him...
John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:45:14


>    Boohoo, big deal.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

For your sake I hope your fellow man does not say "boohoo, big deal"
when you are in trouble....


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