rec.autos.simulators

by **cunni..** » Fri, 03 Jan 1997 04:00:00

All I can really tell you is my personal experience with an Amptron
PM7900 motherboard and an Intel P-100 was a positive one. The Amptron
supports 75 MHz bus speed. With a cheapo ET4000 based video card I
ran Superscapes 3dbench vga benchmark and achieved a mark of 125
frames per second at 60 MHz X 2 (120 MHz processor speed), and a mark
of 142.8 frames per second set at 75 MHz X 1.5 (112.5 MHz processor
speed). I would imagine most boards with an Intel VX Chipset would
perform similarly. I am currently running the same board with a P150
and an ET6000 based video card at 75 MHz X 2.5 (187.5 MHz processor
speed) which performs excellent for Nascar 2 as well as most other
games. The ET 6000 hits higher scores in games such as Duke3d and
Quake when I compared them directly with the Matrox Millenium, and
Mystique and S3 Virge based cards as well. It seems to be the fastest
card when playing games not written for a specific video card. Hope
this is helpful. Good luck.

John

>Hi group!
>Having successfully o/c my P90 to P120 (2x60), I keep reading recently
>that it seems to be possible to o/c the board itself to 75 MHz or
>more. I have several questions about this procedure:
>1. How do you do it? :)
>Seems as if some ASUS boards have this feature documented, but my FIC
>(PT-2000) doesn't. There are, however, three jumpers determining bus
>speed. Only three (out of six possible) settings are documented. Could
>I succeed by simply trying out the other possible combinations?
>2. Is it dangerous?
>I know that fiddling with hardware is always a bit risky, but is there
>a chance that I kill my board instantly when changing those settings?
>Or is it as 'safe' as processor overclocking (i.e. if it doesn't work,
>change it back, and no harm done)?
>3. Is it worth it?
>There's no way my current processor would work as a P150 (2x75). It
>refuses to operate as a P133 (and who could blame it, poor little P90
>that it really is... :) Therefore, viable settings could be P112
>(1.5x75) or, maybe (though unlikely), P130 (1.5x87). Provided the
>board itself can take those speeds. I guess a P112 (1.5x75) might be
>faster graphicswise than a P120 (2x60), but how much faster?
>4. Are there resources about this on the 'net?
>Thanks in advance!
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by **Wolfgang Prei** » Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Hi group!

Having successfully o/c my P90 to P120 (2x60), I keep reading recently
that it seems to be possible to o/c the board itself to 75 MHz or
more. I have several questions about this procedure:

1. How do you do it? :)
Seems as if some ASUS boards have this feature documented, but my FIC
(PT-2000) doesn't. There are, however, three jumpers determining bus
speed. Only three (out of six possible) settings are documented. Could
I succeed by simply trying out the other possible combinations?

2. Is it dangerous?
I know that fiddling with hardware is always a bit risky, but is there
a chance that I kill my board instantly when changing those settings?
Or is it as 'safe' as processor overclocking (i.e. if it doesn't work,
change it back, and no harm done)?

3. Is it worth it?
There's no way my current processor would work as a P150 (2x75). It
refuses to operate as a P133 (and who could blame it, poor little P90
that it really is... :) Therefore, viable settings could be P112
(1.5x75) or, maybe (though unlikely), P130 (1.5x87). Provided the
board itself can take those speeds. I guess a P112 (1.5x75) might be
faster graphicswise than a P120 (2x60), but how much faster?

4. Are there resources about this on the 'net?

Thanks in advance!

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by **Eric T. Busc** » Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:00:00

See: http://sysdoc.pair.com/

More specifically see:
http://sysdoc.pair.com/busspeed.html
http://sysdoc.pair.com/75mhzbus.html
http://sysdoc.pair.com/overclock.html

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by **Don Scurlo** » Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:00:00

>Subject: overclocking using bus speeds >66 MHz?
>Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:45:51 GMT
>Having successfully o/c my P90 to P120 (2x60), I keep reading recently
>that it seems to be possible to o/c the board itself to 75 MHz or
>more. I have several questions about this procedure:
>There's no way my current processor would work as a P150 (2x75). It
>refuses to operate as a P133 (and who could blame it, poor little P90
>that it really is... :) Therefore, viable settings could be P112
>(1.5x75) or, maybe (though unlikely), P130 (1.5x87). Provided the
>board itself can take those speeds. I guess a P112 (1.5x75) might be
>faster graphicswise than a P120 (2x60), but how much faster?

Have you tried 1.5/66 for a P100 ? surprisingly you may get better graphics
performance than a 2.0/60 P120.

by **Wolfgang Prei** » Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:00:00

>> 4. Are there resources about this on the 'net?

>See: http://sysdoc.pair.com/

>More specifically see:
>http://sysdoc.pair.com/busspeed.html
>http://sysdoc.pair.com/75mhzbus.html
>http://sysdoc.pair.com/overclock.html

Thanks for that info, Eric! Very useful, as usual.

The guy who maintains those pages should be a bit more considerate
concerning the length of a single page, though. More than 300 KB for a
single page (w/o graphics!) is a bit much...

And he might keep his snide remarks about german drivers to himself.
;)

Nonetheless, those pages contain a lot of important information on
overclocking.

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by **Wolfgang Prei** » Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> Have you tried 1.5/66 for a P100 ? surprisingly you may get better graphics
>performance than a 2.0/60 P120.

I tried that (first step), and the performance was about equal for
both setups. The reason I went for the 120 solution was that changing
the multiplier from 1.5 times to 2 times on my board involves only
setting (or not setting) one jumper. That way, I could wire the jumper
to the turbo switch and change between 90 and 120 without having to
open the case. (Well, it's open anyway most of the time, but still,
that way is more comfortable and elegant.) The bus speed selection
involves three jumpers.

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by **Eric T. Busc** » Fri, 10 Jan 1997 04:00:00

BTW, while waiting for my new CPU to arrive tomorrow I'm still using my
old Pentium. I get about the same performance as a P133 (66x2) as I do
as a P112 (75x1.5).

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by **Wolfgang Prei** » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00

>Having successfully o/c my P90 to P120 (2x60), I keep reading recently
>that it seems to be possible to o/c the board itself to 75 MHz or
>more.

Well, I can inform you that I succeeded!

I simply tried out the undocumented jumper combinations and found some
intersting ones (all with a 1.5 multiplier):

- two combinations in which the machine booted, but failed to produce
anything on the display.

- one version where I was informed that I have a Pentium CPU running
at 25MHz. :) (board clocked to 18 MHz, probably)

- another one with P60 (board 40)

- The really interesting combination: BIOS display at boot up reports
P120, but with a 1.5 multiplier!

It has to be seen how stable the computer will run in this
configuration, however. And I'm still a bit puzzled about the actual
board speed: different benchmark programs give me values between 120.6
and 128 MHz for processor speed. This doesn't sound like the board was
running at 75 - rather, it indicates a speed of more than 80...
Graphics benchmarks show that the machine is indeed faster now.

Is there a benchmark that measures the board speed?

Anyway, this is fascinating. Thanks to everyone who responded to my
query.

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by **Don Scurlo** » Sun, 12 Jan 1997 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: overclocking using bus speeds >66 MHz?
>Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 12:21:29 GMT
>>Having successfully o/c my P90 to P120 (2x60), I keep reading recently
>>that it seems to be possible to o/c the board itself to 75 MHz or
>>more.
>Well, I can inform you that I succeeded!
>I simply tried out the undocumented jumper combinations and found some
>intersting ones (all with a 1.5 multiplier):
>Anyway, this is fascinating. Thanks to everyone who responded to my
>query.

Very interesting ! I'm using a Intel Plato Premiere/PC2 board with Neptune
chipset. It only documents bus speeds of 50/60/66 and for the life of me I
can't find any info on changing the multiplier so I'm assuming it doesn't
support it. I have overclocked from 90 to 100 by going from 60 to 66 and
thought I had reached the limit but it seems there's hope yet. You have
inspired me to take the cover of once again.

by **Juan Carlos Llover** » Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:00:00

> Hi group!

> Having successfully o/c my P90 to P120 (2x60), I keep reading recently
> that it seems to be possible to o/c the board itself to 75 MHz or
> more. I have several questions about this procedure:

> 1. How do you do it? :)
> Seems as if some ASUS boards have this feature documented, but my FIC
> (PT-2000) doesn't. There are, however, three jumpers determining bus
> speed. Only three (out of six possible) settings are documented. Could
> I succeed by simply trying out the other possible combinations?

> 2. Is it dangerous?
> I know that fiddling with hardware is always a bit risky, but is there
> a chance that I kill my board instantly when changing those settings?
> Or is it as 'safe' as processor overclocking (i.e. if it doesn't work,
> change it back, and no harm done)?

> 3. Is it worth it?
> There's no way my current processor would work as a P150 (2x75). It
> refuses to operate as a P133 (and who could blame it, poor little P90
> that it really is... :) Therefore, viable settings could be P112
> (1.5x75) or, maybe (though unlikely), P130 (1.5x87). Provided the
> board itself can take those speeds. I guess a P112 (1.5x75) might be
> faster graphicswise than a P120 (2x60), but how much faster?

> 4. Are there resources about this on the 'net?

> Thanks in advance!

> --
> Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.
> \ (Not necessary if you're posting from Europe.) Junk

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Hello:

A lot of good info can be obtained in:

http://sysdoc.pair.com/cpu.html