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I didn't announce it very big, as there is no CCline, but as you play with
a wheel anyway,  that doesn't make much difference. Find it at my homepage
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~m.keizer/index.htm

Unfortunately, that hasn't been implemented in any game yet. But it will
be, the only question is: will it be
GPL2
GP4
Ubisoft-4?

True, but Geoff announced in the interview that they want to make
commercial annual updates. And that would mean that they have to put a stop
to bvackwards-engineering, otherwise no-one will buy them. So they have to
either
1) take legal action against trackmakers or editor-makers
Seems pretty unlikely as there are so many ways to do something legal or
underground. AFAIK, even if microprose wanted, there's not much THEY can do
against GP2's hacking. Circuit owners though could claim copyright to their
tracks (daytona had done that for N2, IIRC), but there are 100s of decayed
tracks and 10000s of fantasy tracks.
2) scramble the fileformats.
Don't forget, it took a LONG time to descramble the JAMfileformat. So this
might be a good option.

As to your asking for "any other" F1 Sim, Well, I don't have another "F1"
sim but the old Indycar Racing II that supported rendition video was several
years older than GP2 and needed exactly 1 million percent less computer to
run.  In rendition mode, the graphics were superior, and, yes, no smoke was
in the mirrors when you spun the tires, but a full field of 32 cars could go
into turn 1 at any track, playing multiplayer over a modem connection, with
absolutely NO loss of framerate.  IC-II was all road courses. Simply the
single most "Ahead of it's time" game in all of sim racing history.  Yea,
lots of games are nicer now, but, none of them made advances in graphics
without the cost in hardware to make them work.  GP2 with it's Less than 1
Frame per second at monaco turn 1 is not something I care to waste my time
on.  It's a pity I wasted my money.

I remember quite vividly when a racing friend told me to rush out and buy
that peice of $%#%, since we were running the "OLD" Indycar II.  I also
considered IC2 better than Nascar 2.  Simply because N2 was a buggy peice of
Unpatched ____ right up till N3 was released.  It's obvious they don't get
money for patching the problems in software.  Sierra doesn't give a Da^% if
thier code works or not.  They already got the money.  Why fix anything to
make it work.

Well, now we have N3 and GPL to fix all this.  For the poor souls who still
use and "Old" pc, I would suggest the original Papy titles over any of the
GP sims of the time.

In closing, I would have to say it's a close contest for worst ever sim in
my mind....  Gp2 or the original Monster Truck Madness... :)

I'm CCing this the friend who moved away a few years ago and got me to Buy
GP2.  He's heard me *%^ch about it for years, and he also still plays the
thing on rare occasions.  He'll get a laugh out of this as well.

Happy Racing.

P.

I use this newsgroup as a gauge for the quality of games before I go buy
one.  I just don't buy every title to find out if I like it.  I did with N3
but the concensus was the N3 was awesome so I sprung the 50 bucks.

The sad part is that when Gp3 comes out, it'll get rave reviews no matter
how bad it is.  I mean, if people will still defend something that defied
time and space and call it a SIM, how am I to trust the opinions when it's
successor comes out.  GP3 will most likely break sales records simply
because it replaces Gp2.  I can see about 5 sales right here in this thread.

I'll never buy another one of their titles without seeing it hands on first.
Period.  I can't afford the computers needed to play their games....

I'm sure it had presentation quality framerates too!  How many frames per
Minute did it provide??  :)

Not what you're looking for, but you can try my version of it (which I built
before the map was released - I just made up the corners between where the
chicanes used to be) at http://ianhill.tripod.com
I think it's probably not quite as bad as the real thing - there's a couple
of fast corners there...
</shameless plug>

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Who could forget the strange grasp of realtime in GP2?

I think the menu system had way to many levels, 3 levels down and up to
load
a game or go to the garage. (ICR2's menu system is still unbeaten)

I agree. Wow, did I just type that? ;^)

Now THAT's just bullshit, and everybody knows that! ;^P

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Ok Gp2 might look outdated compared to every other on the market, but it's
still the best in how deep the gameplay is, how far you can push the
customisation, and how fun the actual serious racing can be. Im not having
fun racing the Ubisoft F1 sims, but heck pushing the GP2 car around Spa is
still a blast.

True flaw, I would agree.

There was some little problem, but it is still better than most of the GUi
for racing sims.  Except Icr2, who has the best in all the games I have ever
tried.(equal to N1 since it was the same menu structure).

I agreed with your point about Icr2, but that's a fact.  Icr2 had the "GPL
game engine" of menu structure. Hehe.  Would had still loved to see 3d
implementation in those titles.

Darn, I simply cannot counter-point what you wrote.. let me search.. hmm ;)
Don't hold your breath on the new F1 "sim" by Ubisoft, still  ;(

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Just because you don't like GP2 doesn't mean other's can not enjoy it. I
enjoy it still, and believe me, there's nothing wrong with me.
I think it comes down to the controller. ICR2 was almost implayable with
keyboard, I couldn't enjoy it until I got the wheel. GP2 was and is still
enjoyable for me.

Sure about that are you? What about F1 97! Johny Herberts GP! etc....

Really? sounds like your pc is not optimised for games. I first ran GP2
on a 486 dx4 100, (with most graphics options off, in vga mode) then on
a K6 200 to really appreciate its svga graphics (but not at max fps),
and now run it (yes, I still play GP2) on a Celeron 450 with 128Mb ram
and it flies along with all options on in svga at max fps. No 1000MHz pc
required here?

I never had any problesm with the mynu's they seemed fairly logical to
me? I don't remember the menu's being a major problem to many others
either? Compare GP2's menu's to those in F1RS, which were so slow, and
not really logical? But hey, thats just my opinion....

Erm, actually, GP2 was designed and released *Before* 3D graphics were
available in games. You can hardly support a technology that doesn't
exist when you make something.

Once, again it depends on your pc, I have no slowdowns on my pc? The
time lag problem is a well known GP2 problem for slower pc's only, it
should not be a problem for any decent fast pc (that maintains 100% PO),
and was only one solution to a particular programming problem. A
solution that is generally not used in modern games/sims today.

GP2 works, very nicely actually.

Well, a game produced in the 3D era would have nicer graphics wouldn't
it. I like F1RS too, great game/sim.

Really? try running F1RS on that 486 dx4 100, or the K6 200 and see how
good it runs? You need a decent fast pc to run *any* good
program/game/sim nowadays.

8-)

*Peter* -  http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html