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What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

Rafe McAulif

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Rafe McAulif » Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:16:04

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:17:07 GMT, "Tony Rickard"


>Before this thread turns into yet another victim of usenet abuse it might be
>worth reflecting that:

>I posted a short while ago suggesting that with some of the 3rd party
>patches F1RC could be a very playable sim (i.e. with the AI not smacking you
>off). The post concentrated primarily on the AI, though I eluded that the
>physics were "very drivable though extremely twitchy in the rain". Easier
>than GP3 in this respect (though not necessarily better). I also suggested
>the "feel" was potentially dependant on getting the controller setup right.

>Rafe's post commented on the physics not feeling "right" despite fiddling
>with the settings.

>Having since spent some time with GP3-2000 which I believe Rafe is comparing
>with I believe both are worthy of attention. I now believe that GP3-2000 has
>the edge in sheer depth and physics, whilst F1RC has the closest to
>providing an instant fantasy of grand prix racing. Plus the AI have been
>further improved in GP3-2000.

>Some will simply have preferences for the driving style of each of these
>games, others may not find the GP3 graphics system suitably good enough.
>Comparing the two without driving them is no contest, providing the AI
>behave on your system F1RC looks the part. It is only once immersed in the
>race that GP3s graphical deficiencies become unnoticed.

>The F1RC manual is worthless apart from providing info on keys to use. Mine
>is around somewhere in a pile of computer stuff. The newsgroup is better
>informed than the manual to give advice on settings. As for the keys - well
>Rafe is lazy - he said so :)

>I thought it was a valuable discussion...

>Tony

I agree with you 100% Tony, I thought it was a pretty reasonable
discussion. RAS is almost always better informed as to getting the
best out of a sim, so I posed my questions to the best audience. The
manual only points out the basics - not what the optimal settings for
getting a realistic drive from the game. Apart from telling you which
keys to use... :-P

I have been struggling to find any addons regarding the AI, you
alluded to a fix for this? I've had no luck so far :(

Cheers to a relaxed usenet discussion hehehe :D

Rafe Mc

WB

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by WB » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:02:40

Don't bother with any addons.
All they do is make the AI worse.



>I have been struggling to find any addons regarding the AI, you
>alluded to a fix for this? I've had no luck so far :(

>Cheers to a relaxed usenet discussion hehehe :D

>Rafe Mc

Tony Rickar

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Tony Rickar » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:04:49


> I have been struggling to find any addons regarding the AI, you
> alluded to a fix for this? I've had no luck so far :(

I think the one patch that "fixed" it was the Xaver's 1.4 physics patch from
http://www.f1-star.de/.

My tests were limited to a couple of tracks so maybe it is not a complete
solution. You still have to be careful not to brake too early, but they
certainly seem less likely to turn the track into a traffic jam.

Reading other's experiences with the AI suggest it might be pure luck on the
installation. The extremes are great - from ridiculous to excellent. I have
seen both on my system. I wish I could offer a scientific solution!

When it is working well the AI is very challenging (and I don't mean by
knocking you off). It doesn't have the extreme slipstreaming of GP3-2000,
which makes overtaking more realistic.

Both GP3-2000 and F1RC are good sims in their different ways. Maybe the lack
of a clear leader makes things harder. With the plethora of third party add
ons I keep switching between the two, trying to see which is the best!

Cheers

Tony

Tony Rickar

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Tony Rickar » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:16:05

"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote

The sound is weak, and it seems limited what can be done. There seems such
limited range that the higher gear changes are hardly noticeable. My best so
far is JVs from http://www.f1rcrelay.com/

Hudson's sound patch added some excellent wind noise, but the engine sound
didn't seem that great to me. It surprises me after GPL that subsequent sims
have been weak in this area. Wind noise (blimey, travelling on a motorbike
at 80mph was a noisy affair), transmission whine, suspension over bumps,
they should be their. I've been to a grand prix and the sound on downchange
is raw to say the least. Even with earplugs and a helmet I don't see how you
can be isolated from these sounds. Again my poxy little motorbike ( I had a
second youth and had a 17 year old's 125 screamer at the age of 30 to get to
work) sounded more racey than this!

Cheers

Tony

Stephen Smit

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Stephen Smit » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:41:31

Rafe, Tony,

Oh dear, this is all my fault.  Sorry, Rafe, I didn't mean to slag you,
either.  You've also seemed like a pretty reasonable guy to me.  Is
everything okay now?  Please forgive me, everyone.

--Steve


> On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:50:22 GMT, "Tony Rickard"

> >Eek, this is going horribly wrong!

> >Rafe's comments were not directed at me (I think!), but to a comment
> >following Rafe's original post to RTFM. I was suggesting that Rafe's
> >comments were constructive and not slagging off F1RC as was suggested by
> >another poster once the thread began to lose its way.

> >Clearly I should have kept all the references in my post but was
conscious
> >the newsgroup police would beat me up.

> No, you're pretty right there Tony, I was just annoyed that Mr Pjgtech
> claimed that every issue I had could be solved by simply reading the
> manual.

> To get back to what the original point was, I've since found that my
> main problem was with the throttle set up. I had changed it to linear
> (assuming that I would find that the most responsive) whilst changing
> a lot of other settings. For some reason, the game wasn't reading full
> throttle, so it seemed like I had some kind of traction control still
> enabled, or that the game didn't model heavy wheelspin very well.
> Changing it back to exponential fixed it (mostly).

> So I've eventually got it to drive pretty well, but it does take some
> tweaking ;) The stiff front roll bar does give the car a nicer feel, a
> bit more manoueverable. I need a decent sound patch though, the ones
> I've tried are pretty average. Any suggestions?

> It still feels a bit too arcadey (compared with gp3 2000) but my gut
> feeling is that my controller setup needs some major adjustments. More
> testing needed I'm sure. But it is getting much nicer to drive, if
> only the AI weren't completely insane ;) Don't know how they could
> release a sim without internet connectivity with such shocking AI.

> Rafe Mc

Stephen Smit

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Stephen Smit » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:44:35

BTW, the official release date of F1 2001 is now Oct 6.  Too bad EA just
missed the USGP, surely a peak in the interest curve, marketing-wise.

--Steve


Rafe McAulif

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Rafe McAulif » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:12:08

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:41:31 GMT, "Stephen Smith"


>Rafe, Tony,

>Oh dear, this is all my fault.  Sorry, Rafe, I didn't mean to slag you,
>either.  You've also seemed like a pretty reasonable guy to me.  Is
>everything okay now?  Please forgive me, everyone.

>--Steve

NP. I think we all need a group hug, and a couple of beers :)

Rafe Mc

Thom j

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Thom j » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:43:55

er` ya gonna kiss too? hahaha Eeeeuuuuooowaa :)~

| NP. I think we all need a group hug, and a couple of beers :)
| Rafe Mc


| >Rafe, Tony,
| >
| >Oh dear, this is all my fault.  Sorry, Rafe, I didn't mean to slag you,
| >either.  You've also seemed like a pretty reasonable guy to me.  Is
| >everything okay now?  Please forgive me, everyone.
| >
| >--Steve
|

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Rafe McAulif

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Rafe McAulif » Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:41:56

Only if you join in... LOL

Rafe Mc



>er` ya gonna kiss too? hahaha Eeeeuuuuooowaa :)~


>| NP. I think we all need a group hug, and a couple of beers :)
>| Rafe Mc


>| >Rafe, Tony,
>| >
>| >Oh dear, this is all my fault.  Sorry, Rafe, I didn't mean to slag you,
>| >either.  You've also seemed like a pretty reasonable guy to me.  Is
>| >everything okay now?  Please forgive me, everyone.
>| >
>| >--Steve
>|

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Thom j

What's with F1RC??? I don't get it.

by Thom j » Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:08:34

Again!! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww & yukko :)~

| Only if you join in... LOL
|
| Rafe Mc
|
|
| >er` ya gonna kiss too? hahaha Eeeeuuuuooowaa :)~
| >
| >| NP. I think we all need a group hug, and a couple of beers :)
| >| Rafe Mc
| >

| >| >Rafe, Tony,
| >| >
| >| >Oh dear, this is all my fault.  Sorry, Rafe, I didn't mean to slag
you,
| >| >either.  You've also seemed like a pretty reasonable guy to me.  Is
| >| >everything okay now?  Please forgive me, everyone.
| >| >
| >| >--Steve
| >|

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