rec.autos.simulators

dont stop these lowlives trolling newsgroups for email addies.....

takes as long to delete from a server as it does to delete in outlook, its a
m***issue! maybe your used to living in a place infested with marketing
bullshit and mailing lists, im not....

Blacklists a waste of time, as the mails i get are all different (domain)
each time, from some arsehole who sent my email to opt-in america....now
everyone who downloads there mailing lists sends my ***ing address spam....

http://spamassassin.org/tag/

Here's an example of what a piece of spam looks like when it hits my
qmail inbox.  Pretty nice and easy to filter, eh?

Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:43:09 -0600 (MDT)



Subject: *****SPAM***** Congratulations Hope You have been Selected

SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results
---------------------
SPAM: This mail is probably spam.  The original message has been
altered
SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future.
SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
SPAM:
SPAM: Content analysis details:   (13.5 hits, 8 required)
SPAM: FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES (-0.1 points) From: no spaces in name
SPAM: DEAR_SOMEBODY      (-0.7 points) BODY: Contains 'Dear Somebody'
SPAM: CLICK_BELOW        (1.5 points)  BODY: Asks you to click below
SPAM: EXCUSE_16          (-0.7 points) BODY: I wonder how many emails
they sent in error...
SPAM: EXCUSE_7           (1.3 points)  BODY: Claims you can be removed
from the list
SPAM: EXCUSE_3           (1.1 points)  BODY: Claims you can be removed
from the list
SPAM: COPYRIGHT_CLAIMED  (-1.3 points) BODY: Contains a claim of
copyright
SPAM: DOUBLE_CAPSWORD    (1.1 points)  BODY: A word in all caps
repeated on the line
SPAM: HTTP_WITH_EMAIL_IN_URL (2.6 points)  URI: 'remove' URL contains
an email address
SPAM: NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP  (3.3 points)  URI: Uses a dotted-decimal IP
address in URL
SPAM: SUPERLONG_LINE     (0.4 points)  BODY: Contains a line >=199
characters long
SPAM: CLICK_HERE_LINK    (0.8 points)  BODY: Tells you to click on a
URL
SPAM: FREQ_SPAM_PHRASE   (2.4 points)  Contains phrases frequently
found in spam
SPAM:                    [score:  14, hits: click here, email
address,]
SPAM:                    [here for, list click, received this,
removed]
SPAM:                    [from, this message, you must, you receive,
you]
SPAM:                    [wish, your mail]
SPAM: NO_MX_FOR_FROM     (1.8 points)  No MX records for the From:
domain
SPAM:
SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results
---------------------

Jason

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:37:57 +0100, "Jonny Hodgson"

85% of the spam I get originates in one of the koreas or japan, and
this has been a problem since the Internet went commercial.

Thankfullyapnic is easy to deal with so you can easily find and block
entire networks if need be (whois.apnic.net).

If the spam you're getting isn't originating in the koreas/japan, than
chances are your mail administrator is already filtering it.

Jason

Most spam has nothing to do with usenet or with address collection
software of any kind.

The most common spam, particularly that originating from the apnic
countries, is dictionary spam.  

Jason

On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar"

I am changing my hotmail accounts almost every month now... since that is
what I use for ANYTHING that goes in a form field online. I must change them
so much (and it gets REALLY confusing) because I use up my 250-limit block
up in that time... which means that email addy has expired.

I often wondered if this invasion of privacy could be considered
trespassing, since the entry into MY property was unwelcomed and forced
upon. Could the laws of "self defense" be applied? Could the self-defense
idealism not also be automatically applied to any action taken against
another party who trespassed on your property? Would any reaction you take,
solicit, arrange not be considered legal if we were to split hairs?

It bugs me so much, that I thought of a way to make sure spammers do not get
far.

I say "Fight fire with 100 flame throwers"

I thought about an automated system that had a number of email addresses on
a number of boxes worldwide (this would be a community thing of course...)

Any mail that hit those boxes... would be reported to the central system...
which would direct more donated servers to attack that originating
mail-server. I mean attack it from all sides, and continue in persistence
with the attacks. I'm talking DOS attacks, PING attacks, everything under
the sun to overload that box from all flanks so that it cannot send out
anymore spam. Knock it down... and make sure it can't get back up. Claim
self-defense by virtue of trespassing in court... and move on...

I bet you will find a LOT more email servers setup with greater care as to
not allow Relaying Mail for outside and unauthorized users. Make it so that
the ISP/Carriers are a LOT more weary about doing those famous "back-door
deals" with the spammers (since their servers would be attacked, and would
severely clog up their network as a whole), and basically make it VERY hard
for a spammer to even get off the ground.

Some will say "why attack me, my server was compromised and used for their
purpose... not mine..." I say "TFB... if you wanna play on the Net... be
knowledgeable and setup your servers properly, or have someone knowledgeable
do it for you if its that important to you..." The same mentality applies to
so many other felonies, etc. You hit a guy by accident, but you were
speeding. You get charged with vehicular manslaughter, regardless of your
intent... you are responsible for your actions, your property, etc. Any
misuse is YOUR responsibility. Why can this not be applied to ***space
crimes?

Anyways... that's my 10 cents on the topic of great angst for me.

Cheers,
Schumi

While I'd agree with that on principle, I can't agree with it in reality.  As a
network administrator for a university, I see too many students who get
compromised and their systems used as open relays.  We have almost 10,000
students online, and other schools probably have even more.  If even 5% of them
were subject to the type of retaliatory attack you suggest, the network would
probably cease to function.  There is NO way we(or anyone) could police that
many users to prevent them from being compromised...
If it would only affect the individual involved, I'd say go for it.  It
won't... :(

Eldred
--
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
Stolen vehicle! - Det,MI
1999 Blk Pontiac Grand Am SE, Lic# 947SLS,
VIN:1G2NE12EXXM815898 carjacked from Grnfld/W. Chicago 6/30/02.Contact Officer
Penn at 313-596-2850.Thanks

Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:01:07 +0100, "Jonny Hodgson"

That is indeed the problem. When I first started I did the same thing, but
changed it long ago, but once you are on one of those CDs you are pretty much
there for life. That is unless you change your mail addy.

How does this compare to Spam Killer? I don't really get too much spam to be
honest and just use the filtering within Outllook and bulk delete stuff
manually. What I would like is a small tool that perhaps runs as a service and
delete stuff automatically. Just set it up to check every 5 minutes or so and
delete according to a list.