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According to a German Pc-magazine, Geoff Crammond is currently busy working
on Gp3. Unfortunatley, no more deatails are available at this time.
We can assume that GP3 when it hits the market will overshadow everthing that
we have seen so far including Ubi-Softs F1RS. It should support the Vodoo 2
chip and also include a force feedback option.
Lets hope and pray that we get it soon.

Andy

Hey sa !
You burnt the following into my screen :

Hey man we're talking about a product with most of the work started a loang time ago ...
And it's Geoff, do you think he knows about 3D accelleration :-)

Hope you're right but still pessimistic

hehehhehehahahahheheheoihgoiahdfonadkvlalva....wait let me pick myself
off the ground....yea yea....its coming....ooooooh hehehehe...yea lets
hope the great one see's fit to include RAIN this
time....hehehehe..oaoaohehee..ggggeeeezzzz this is too funny. GP3 will
be out when Voodoo 3 comes out in a couple of years or so......

And whats this hoping and praying bit...usually hopes and prayers are
applied to something a bit more serious than a piece of Vaporware.

Pierre PAPA DOC legrand

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

He has been working for more then 6 months and Microprose doens't want
anybody to know about it. With GP2 they were rushed to bring it out.
Due to the haste some important options were left like: wet races, radio
talk,etc.

Bart

I wouldn't expect it until Late '98 at the earliest (Dec'98).  More
than likely early '99.

Marc.

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Get it soon!!!!!!!!!!! It's Geoff Crammond, the perfectionist for God's sake. It
will be ages. But you are right it will be the best and it will be worth waiting
for.

Stuart
PCKid DownUnder

LOL! If  recall correctly, GP2 was delayed again and again, and was
finally released WELL behind schedule.

Joe

Its just too bad that a year after they release GP3, the first computer that
has enough horsepower to run GP2 will be in the design stages!

Well someone should email the perfectionist and make him aware that F1
races are run in the Rain...fancy that...eh. Maybe he will deem us
worthy of having a sim with Rain. Also let him know that his menu
system is only just better than F1 RS....and they are both neck and
neck for dumbest....maybe one of them could buy ICR2 and see a
brilliant menu system. Also let him know that the aerodynamics of GP2
were off..

Then you can also say that I agree with you that GP3 is gonna be
brilliant WHEN it gets here...sometime in the next century.

Now dont get me wrong...I loved GP2. But it wasnt perfect...Crammond
is NOT GOD......and GP2 SHOULD have been patched to have rain.
Thankfully now I have F1 RS I have rain in F1 and GP2 is deleted...all
is well there is a God.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

races are run in the Rain...fancy that...eh. Maybe he will deem us worthy of
having a sim with Rain. ... and GP2 SHOULD have been patched to have rain.
<<

Gp1 did have rain but was pretty well ignored as it was just about
undrivable. There are actually rain sounds in  the sound files suggesting
that rain was at least hoped for the Gp2 release.

I think that rain needs to be quite intricate in its implementation or its
not worth the bother. Simply reducing the grip factor and adding a
visibility haze with other ancillary wet graphics and sounds is too
simplistic for a good wet race experience IMO.

I think that a simulated rainy race weekend needs to have ...

1) Variable weather. With periods of wet and dry,  or harder and softer
rain.

2) Drying track function. With a dry line coming in and out of play in
response to the weather conditions.

3) Different conditions at different sections of the track as is so often
the case in real life.

4) Water run-off across the tracks that also is common in real life.

5) A race weather report for the crews so that a wet race strategy can be
planned.

These things will not be easy to implement to an acceptable standard. I'm
happy to wait till someone can do it right. The simple
hard-rain-throughout-the-race approach is smacking of under development IMO
and its time that sim race makers took the next step in  this area.

well there is a God. <<

I also have F1RS but as yet haven't been able to get to run at all. I'm
waiting for some hardware upgrades to hopefully solve the problem. It'll be
interesting to see how well they have done the rain - as well as lots of
other things of course. Just curious, have  they implemented any of the
above or is it just the simple rain model ?

Phillip McNelley

The Grandprix 2 Unofficial Manual
http://www.powerup.com.au/~philmak/GP2MAN/

that has enough horsepower to run GP2 will be in the design stages! <<

I'm not so sure this'll be the case this time. A majour reason that Gp2 is
so slow is its advanced non-3D graphics. Sure by 3D standards they are a bit
dated, but when you consider and compare them to other 2D graphics they are
truly outstanding. The best of their type.

At the time Gp2 was written 2D graphics like those meant a great load on the
CPU. But this is not the case any more. No doubt Gp3 will be 3D graphics
enhanced - possibly to take advantage of the Voodoo 2 chips. If this is the
case you may well see a great leap forward in the look of the game, possibly
ground breakingly so as the Gpx series has so far been. But given that this
time such advancement will not be at the expense of the CPU you may find
that it runs fine right off the bat on current-for-time-of-release systems.

Frankly, if Gp3 was little more than Gp2 but with 3D accelerated graphics
and a functional network system I would be more  than happy.

Phillip McNelley

The Grandprix 2 Unofficial Manual
http://www.powerup.com.au/~philmak/GP2MAN/

I think you will be pleased with F1 RS's implementation of Rain.

heheheh...Oh yea....F1RS is gonna make you smile.

How about at SPA where some parts of the track are recieving spitting
rain, where its not wet enough to switch to WETS but wet enough to
reduce the grip. And mind you in my race it was only raining near the
pits and thru EAU ROUGE...(btw EAU ROUGE IS MINDBLOWING especially in
the Rain.)...

Well read the description above...the graphics arent quit there yet as
far as seeing a drying line but its close.

heheheheheheh....ooooh yea. How about during a race it starts up...but
only in a part...

Dont see any rivers like what Ive seen at Spa...but keep in mind I
think we are gonna have to wait for Voodoo2 for the power to see those
types of clues.

yes this would be nice and a small version of this is in F1 RS...but
no where near what I imagine your looking for...

Nah I think you will be impressed with the solution that Ubisoft came
up with....its a great comprimise. Ive watched a bunch of F1 and live
in an area where we get over 60inches a year of rain...the rain in F1
looks right and feels right when you are driving thru it....

One question on my mind is the difficulty of driving on slicks....its
impossible in the sim to drive fast in the rain on slicks. All I have
to say is that if the sim is modeling this correctly Im EXTREMLY more
in awe of Senna than I was before.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand