>> What's the key to getting really fast on this circuit?
>SLIDE SLIDE SLIDE !!!!!
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>SLIDE SLIDE SLIDE !!!!!
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>a year of practice.<g>
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>> Don't worry about the style, modern "point'n'squirt" is working pretty
>> good, I got down to 1:28 without any drifting. Drifting is a bit
>> faster, but that does not mean you have to learn to do it right away.
>> It took me a lot of time and frustration to learn to drift and my
>> advise is not to change your style until you get comfortable with the
>> cars.
> Well I don't know where I'm going to get 5 seconds from.
Alex.
No, it's the aliens' techniques that wouldn't fly in the RW; specifically,
the simultaneous use of throttle and brakes. No RW car could take this kind
of punishment for long. (When Rover was developing the turbine car for Le
Mans, the test drivers discovered that the lap times were much improved by
using the throttle to spool up the turbine--which went to something like
30,000 rpm--whilst still on the binders. The Rover engineers kept putting
on bigger and bigger rotors, but in the end the problem could only be
'solved' by prohibiting the drivers from employing the practice.) Likewise,
RW cars could never take the kind of abuse heaped on the engines, tires and
transmissions the way aliens drive. If you look at footage of RW drivers of
that era, and then at replays of aliens' laps, you'll immediately understand
why the way the latter drive is much closer to Ridge Racer than Jim Clark.
--Steve
> >And, no, at the limit, GPL is not a sim, it's a game.
> Out of curiosity Steve, is it correct to assume that you're making
> this statement because of problems with the tire grip model when the
> car is experience high lateral loads?
> Jason
I had assumed you were referring to the snippet on the Eaglewoman
site. I've never attempted the simultaneous brake/throttle trick
before but now I'm going to go put some time in because I'm curious.
I'm feeling a lot less worse about my times using normal racing
technique now. It's a shame Papy hasn't built abuse into their games
yet, beyond a bit of engine and suspension damage in GPL.
Assuming Racing Legends ever sees the light of day, ti's promising
that one of the major features, according the website, is real
punishment for abusing the car. I would love to see some alien rip
their car apart before completing a full qual lap.
Jason
I'd have to agree with that. I left-foot brake because it's quicker, but I'd
like to have brakes that can overheat & fade because it would force me to
modify my driving style to account for it.
Malc.
Neither Alison nor I subscribe to totally unrealistic techniques like the
infamous "stab save" nor the simultaneous (and protracted) use of throttle &
brakes. But. I've tried both, and admit to occasionally using the latter
to put some weight on the front end if I feel it washing out. That's legit,
by my standards. But the aliens practically never lift off the throttle and
counter forward thrust with occasional dabs at the brake to transfer weight
forward (and, in the middle of a turn, to the outside front wheel). You can
try this yourself (it *is* ***ive), but you've gotta move the brake bias
way aft (52-54%) and either soften the front end (the average weight is much
lighter driving this way) or stiffen the rear. Like driving loose, it feels
unnatural at first, but you get used to it, like being somebody's wife in
jail (I guess...).
--Steve
> >No, it's the aliens' techniques that wouldn't fly in the RW;
specifically,
> >the simultaneous use of throttle and brakes. No RW car could take this
kind
> >of punishment for long. (When Rover was developing the turbine car for
Le
> >Mans, the test drivers discovered that the lap times were much improved
by
> >using the throttle to spool up the turbine--which went to something like
> >30,000 rpm--whilst still on the binders. The Rover engineers kept
putting
> >on bigger and bigger rotors, but in the end the problem could only be
> >'solved' by prohibiting the drivers from employing the practice.)
Likewise,
> >RW cars could never take the kind of abuse heaped on the engines, tires
and
> >transmissions the way aliens drive. If you look at footage of RW drivers
of
> >that era, and then at replays of aliens' laps, you'll immediately
understand
> >why the way the latter drive is much closer to Ridge Racer than Jim
Clark.
> Ahhhhh ok.
> I had assumed you were referring to the snippet on the Eaglewoman
> site. I've never attempted the simultaneous brake/throttle trick
> before but now I'm going to go put some time in because I'm curious.
> I'm feeling a lot less worse about my times using normal racing
> technique now. It's a shame Papy hasn't built abuse into their games
> yet, beyond a bit of engine and suspension damage in GPL.
> Assuming Racing Legends ever sees the light of day, ti's promising
> that one of the major features, according the website, is real
> punishment for abusing the car. I would love to see some alien rip
> their car apart before completing a full qual lap.
> Jason