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Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

Mike Donnelly J

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Mike Donnelly J » Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:58:14

The only right thing to do is get rid of the 'below the line' BS.  It
was a poorly thought out rule to start with and it's implimentation
has been even worse.

Mike


>I can't fault Jr, or Nascar, for the 'below the line' fiasco.  What is he
>supposed to do?  At 190mph, hold where he is and get knocked off the race
>track?

>It was a normal reaction.  The press's reaction wasn't.

>-larry




>> > Nascar needs to adopt green-white-checker, period.

>> > -Larry

>>     Why?  They already have a perfectly good rule in place.
>> rule # 2398.7 clearly states:
>>   Near the end of a Race if Dale Earnhardt Jr is leading, we will throw
>> yellows and end the race under caution.  If Dale Earnhardt Jr is NOT
>> leading, we will stop the race via the red flag.  Furthermore if DEJ wants
>> to run under the yellow line to pass, that's ok with us.

>> dave henrie

Dave Henri

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Dave Henri » Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:30:07



> The only right thing to do is get rid of the 'below the line' BS.  It
> was a poorly thought out rule to start with and it's implimentation
> has been even worse.

> Mike


>>I can't fault Jr, or Nascar, for the 'below the line' fiasco.  What is
>>he supposed to do?  At 190mph, hold where he is and get knocked off
>>the race track?

>>It was a normal reaction.  The press's reaction wasn't.

>>-larry

   Who was it...the same year Jr dove under to pass for the lead, took
avoiding action only and got sent to the penalty box.  Ward Burton
maybe...
  It's like Michael Jordan driving down the lane in Basketball against a
Rookie...ya think they'd ever call charging on MJ? :)
dh




>>> > Nascar needs to adopt green-white-checker, period.

>>> > -Larry

>>>     Why?  They already have a perfectly good rule in place.
>>> rule # 2398.7 clearly states:
>>>   Near the end of a Race if Dale Earnhardt Jr is leading, we will
>>>   throw
>>> yellows and end the race under caution.  If Dale Earnhardt Jr is NOT
>>> leading, we will stop the race via the red flag.  Furthermore if DEJ
>>> wants to run under the yellow line to pass, that's ok with us.

>>> dave henrie

Mike Donnelly J

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Mike Donnelly J » Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:33:02

On Mon, 31 May 2004 22:30:07 -0500, Dave Henrie




>> The only right thing to do is get rid of the 'below the line' BS.  It
>> was a poorly thought out rule to start with and it's implimentation
>> has been even worse.

>> Mike


>>>I can't fault Jr, or Nascar, for the 'below the line' fiasco.  What is
>>>he supposed to do?  At 190mph, hold where he is and get knocked off
>>>the race track?

>>>It was a normal reaction.  The press's reaction wasn't.

>>>-larry

>   Who was it...the same year Jr dove under to pass for the lead, took
>avoiding action only and got sent to the penalty box.  Ward Burton
>maybe...
>  It's like Michael Jordan driving down the lane in Basketball against a
>Rookie...ya think they'd ever call charging on MJ? :)
>dh

Unlikely, but I suppose it has happened.  Still, the best thing to do
is get rid of the stupid rule.  It hasn't helped and it's really
diminished my enthusiasm (such as it was) for restrictor plate racing.

Mike

Eldre

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Eldre » Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:26:14

Agreed.  At least everyone knows immediately when the yellow flies who wins.
There's no room for interpretation.  Now it's a total crapshoot, prompting
*** theories depending on who's in the lead, when the flag comes out,
etc.

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Biz

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Biz » Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:11:28



OK, I'll agree, remove the below the line rule and put a cement wall in
place of the yellow line.

don hodgdo

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by don hodgdo » Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:21:01


According to Dave Despain's explaination on Wind Tunnel, Powerade's deal
stipulates that the bottles have to "appear" in Victory Lane. It does not
say that the bottles have to stay there for any certain length of time.

Don

Mike Donnelly J

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Mike Donnelly J » Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:29:01

No, that would be going from bad to worse.  If they really want to fix
restrictor plate racing, they'd knock the banking down to about 20
degrees, give or take and not use the plates.  You'd still get some
very fast cars, but they'd have to lift going into the turns.

Mike




>> The only right thing to do is get rid of the 'below the line' BS.  It
>> was a poorly thought out rule to start with and it's implimentation
>> has been even worse.

>OK, I'll agree, remove the below the line rule and put a cement wall in
>place of the yellow line.

Eldre

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Eldre » Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:55:33

So I'm guessing that Pepsi's lawyers went over that contract with a
fine-toothed comb..
They need to re-write that contract.<g>

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T. Wortma

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by T. Wortma » Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:46:41


Where does the *** theory come into play? Nascar makes it known
before the race begins the latest the red will fly to clean up a late
race yellow. It seems to me they have conformed to the rules
completely, regardless of who is leading.

From a fans point of view....tickets, $500....hotels, $300....gas and
food, $300.....ending under green, priceless.

Eldre

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Eldre » Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:24:32


>>Agreed.  At least everyone knows immediately when the yellow flies who wins.

>>There's no room for interpretation.  Now it's a total crapshoot, prompting
>>*** theories depending on who's in the lead, when the flag comes out,
>>etc.

>Where does the *** theory come into play?

You're new here, aren't you? :-)

Seriously, it seems that every race with a crash near the end, some people like
to argue the point.  If they throw the red flag, some people think it's so that
someone other than the leader could win.  If they *don't* throw the flag, some
people think it's so that the leader at the time couldn't be caught in the
remaining laps.  

Actually, I didn't realize that the lap was determined BEFORE the race until
this last telecast.  It appeared to be an arbitrary decision, made at the time
of the incident.  The fact that it always seemed to be a different number every
time didn't help.
But if it's decided beforehand, why are the announcers usually confused by
this?  You'd think *they* would know the situation.

I think that the race could end under yellow and not invalidate the previous x
number of laps.  As a fan, I don't think it would bother me too much.  As a
driver, DEFINITELY.

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T. Wortma

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by T. Wortma » Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:40:12


They do, and I've heard it mentioned many times.

I've been to many races over the years. Lately I only attend the night
event at Bristol each year. Trust me, it takes a major financial
committment to attend a Nascar weekend. I'd prefer not to spend a
grand to see the race, only to have it end under yellow because some
backmarker had a crash racing for 31st position.

This rule was implemented because Nascar heard the complaints of the
fans who want the race to end under green. There are certain times I
don't agree with the rule....at the plate tracks for example. A 2 lap
dash to the finish at Daytona or Talladega, while exciting for the
fans, can have serious consequences for the drivers who don't use good
judgement in a trophy dash type situation. But Nascar feels that this
rule helps them put on a better show, and for the most part, I agree
with them.

Eldre

Pathetic? Try NASCAR's red flag decision

by Eldre » Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:35:49

I'd heard them mention a certain lap, but I'd never heard them say that
particular lap was decided beforehand.  This was the first time I'd heard that
explanation.

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