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Unbelievable

Brett C. Camma

Unbelievable

by Brett C. Camma » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:59:45

When did you make becoming a supersillious ass a life's calling?  D.E.
hit the wheel because, for the first time in the recorded history of
NASCAR (52 years), the ***y lapbelt broke on the left side!  Let's
chastize them for not repealing the laws of physics!  Let's embed the
drivers in tofu!  Let's make them race by remote control from their
living room sofas while wrapped in their favorite blankie!!!

What part of "get over it" don't you understand??  Shit happens
sometimes...

I think they need to address some things, but the philosophy of "when
in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout" isn't going
to accomplish anything for them and, hence, they've refused to adopt
it.  NASCAR walks a knife's edge in trying to preserve a hugely
successful formula while keeping the merchandise safe and the sponsors
happy.  They're under the gun and something positive will come of it
from a safety perspective.  They have no choice now.

Hrmph...

Brett C. Cammack

(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Jeff Vince

Unbelievable

by Jeff Vince » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:21:10



From the same article he loves to quote DW from...
(http://www.thatsracin.com/00/0917/0915autopsies.htm)

'Mike Helton, NASCAR's chief operating officer, said the reason NASCAR
didn't request autopsy reports is, "We know what the cause of death
was from the death certificates."

'Helton said NASCAR has "other information from the emergency crew at
the race track, as well as the doctors at the hospital. And we also
have sources that tell us what the autopsy said with regard to broken
bones and different things, so we never saw anything inconsistent with
what we found in the cars to request more information. We haven't
requested one 1/8autopsy report3/8 because we didn't find any reason
to get that information in writing because we found no inconsistencies
with anything." '

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

David G Fishe

Unbelievable

by David G Fishe » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:22:02

You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about
two seconds to find these articles.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for e***ment's sake. It
has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of
boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph.

But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake.

That's ***."

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

David G Fisher



Don Burnett

Unbelievable

by Don Burnett » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:31:27

P.A.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.



> You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about
> two seconds to find these articles.

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for e***ment's sake.
It
> has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of
> boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph.

> But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake.

> That's ***."

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> David G Fisher



> > From today.
> > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
slumped
> in
> > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel,
> > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull
fracture
> > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than
> > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said."

> > If this is true, then due to***poor management of this motor sport,
> > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved
his
> > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for
criticizing
> > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans
> > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for
> > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even
> > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like
full-faced
> > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will
> > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport
> that
> > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear
> it.
> > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy
> > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.
> Maybe
> > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from
> their
> > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more
> > head and *** injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense
to
> > them.

> > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k
> > yourselves.

> > David G Fisher

David G Fishe

Unbelievable

by David G Fishe » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:35:55

Some reactions to the article linked to at the bottom of this post
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

The two below sound familiar.
---------------
You're exactly correct on your observation of Mike Helton deflecting the
need for improved safety. I am a life long Formula one fan, but following F1
& CART so closely over the years you can't help but be exposed to NASCAR.

I saw the press conference on Monday and was utterly appalled at the lack of
urgency to address these safety issues. F1 standards are so high after
Senna's death, that there is only one track in the entire US that meets the
FIA safety standards for F1 (Indianapolis).

I'm not talking about a full blown grand prix, I mean a track that has been
approved by the FIA for even testing. Concrete lined ovals are absolutely
primitive.

I understand that there are technology & logistic issues with other forms of
barriers, but Helton showed no interest in looking in to these options any
further. What was shocking was a total lack of effort into re-examine
NASCAR's safety option.

All he needed to say was something to the effect of 'this will take top
priority' and I would have been satisfied. The fact that he would reference
progressing from no rails, to wood rails, to metal to concrete is absurd.

The deflecting of the issue just made them appear to support what most
people's image of NASCAR is in general, a bunch of Good ol' Boys that 'aint
going to told how to run our races', no matter how foolish it appears to the
outside world.

Michael Moshay
-----------------------

Your thoughts are right on! The bump and shove mentality of NASCAR
inevitably will result in driver's deaths. It the law of physics. It is not
only permitted, it is glamorized.

If you watch the Fox lead-in it shows cars bumping and sparking. Look at the
roots. Most of these boys started out racing on Saturday on dirt or clay
tracks. Not like F-1, where CART is where you learn. You are taught early
not to touch wheels. And if you block like all the NASCAR boys, then you get
a big fine.

This is so insane that it really defies logic. Spills and thrills are what
NASCAR stands for. If you have to sacrifice a driver now and then, well, it
sure makes for a big draw the next week.

Good writing. John Stoll

Decatur, IL SCCA Club Racer S-2000 Class

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----



> You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about
> two seconds to find these articles.

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for e***ment's sake.
It
> has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of
> boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph.

> But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake.

> That's ***."

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> David G Fisher



> > From today.
> > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
slumped
> in
> > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel,
> > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull
fracture
> > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than
> > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said."

> > If this is true, then due to***poor management of this motor sport,
> > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved
his
> > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for
criticizing
> > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans
> > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for
> > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even
> > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like
full-faced
> > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will
> > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport
> that
> > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear
> it.
> > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy
> > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.
> Maybe
> > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from
> their
> > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more
> > head and *** injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense
to
> > them.

> > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k
> > yourselves.

> > David G Fisher

Ed Solhei

Unbelievable

by Ed Solhei » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:46:08

David,

Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to
re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!!

I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts.

Would you please go away!

ed_


> You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about
> two seconds to find these articles.

<SNIPPED!!!>
Don Burnett

Unbelievable

by Don Burnett » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:40:36

Btw, just curious, did you happen to post on these groups under the id of
"Y2K Rick" about a year and a half ago?

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.



> Some reactions to the article linked to at the bottom of this post
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> The two below sound familiar.
> ---------------
> You're exactly correct on your observation of Mike Helton deflecting the
> need for improved safety. I am a life long Formula one fan, but following
F1
> & CART so closely over the years you can't help but be exposed to NASCAR.

> I saw the press conference on Monday and was utterly appalled at the lack
of
> urgency to address these safety issues. F1 standards are so high after
> Senna's death, that there is only one track in the entire US that meets
the
> FIA safety standards for F1 (Indianapolis).

> I'm not talking about a full blown grand prix, I mean a track that has
been
> approved by the FIA for even testing. Concrete lined ovals are absolutely
> primitive.

> I understand that there are technology & logistic issues with other forms
of
> barriers, but Helton showed no interest in looking in to these options any
> further. What was shocking was a total lack of effort into re-examine
> NASCAR's safety option.

> All he needed to say was something to the effect of 'this will take top
> priority' and I would have been satisfied. The fact that he would
reference
> progressing from no rails, to wood rails, to metal to concrete is absurd.

> The deflecting of the issue just made them appear to support what most
> people's image of NASCAR is in general, a bunch of Good ol' Boys that
'aint
> going to told how to run our races', no matter how foolish it appears to
the
> outside world.

> Michael Moshay
> -----------------------

> Your thoughts are right on! The bump and shove mentality of NASCAR
> inevitably will result in driver's deaths. It the law of physics. It is
not
> only permitted, it is glamorized.

> If you watch the Fox lead-in it shows cars bumping and sparking. Look at
the
> roots. Most of these boys started out racing on Saturday on dirt or clay
> tracks. Not like F-1, where CART is where you learn. You are taught early
> not to touch wheels. And if you block like all the NASCAR boys, then you
get
> a big fine.

> This is so insane that it really defies logic. Spills and thrills are what
> NASCAR stands for. If you have to sacrifice a driver now and then, well,
it
> sure makes for a big draw the next week.

> Good writing. John Stoll

> Decatur, IL SCCA Club Racer S-2000 Class

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----



> > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me
about
> > two seconds to find these articles.

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for e***ment's sake.
> It
> > has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade
of
> > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190
mph.

> > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake.

> > That's ***."

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > David G Fisher



> > > From today.
> > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
> slumped
> > in
> > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel,
> > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull
> fracture
> > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more
than
> > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said."

> > > If this is true, then due to***poor management of this motor sport,
> > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved
> his
> > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for
> criticizing
> > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the
fans
> > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for
> > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even
> > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like
> full-faced
> > > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there
will
> > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport
> > that
> > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I
hear
> > it.
> > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the
autopsy
> > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.
> > Maybe
> > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from
> > their
> > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few
more
> > > head and *** injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense
> to
> > > them.

> > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go
f**k
> > > yourselves.

> > > David G Fisher

Phillip Malphrus, Jr

Unbelievable

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:42:28

yes, another group of people that dont know anything about racing. Their
main sport is baseball. You should apply for a job there ...



> You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about
> two seconds to find these articles.

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for e***ment's sake.
It
> has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of
> boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph.

> But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake.

> That's ***."

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> David G Fisher



> > From today.
> > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
slumped
> in
> > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel,
> > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull
fracture
> > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than
> > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said."

> > If this is true, then due to***poor management of this motor sport,
> > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved
his
> > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for
criticizing
> > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans
> > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for
> > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even
> > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like
full-faced
> > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will
> > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport
> that
> > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear
> it.
> > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy
> > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.
> Maybe
> > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from
> their
> > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more
> > head and *** injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense
to
> > them.

> > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k
> > yourselves.

> > David G Fisher

Don Burnett

Unbelievable

by Don Burnett » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:45:03

They don't allow Pansy Asses in baseball either.
He probably plays Cricquet.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.



> yes, another group of people that dont know anything about racing. Their
> main sport is baseball. You should apply for a job there ...



> > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me
about
> > two seconds to find these articles.

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for e***ment's sake.
> It
> > has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade
of
> > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190
mph.

> > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake.

> > That's ***."

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > David G Fisher



> > > From today.
> > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat
> slumped
> > in
> > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel,
> > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull
> fracture
> > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more
than
> > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said."

> > > If this is true, then due to***poor management of this motor sport,
> > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved
> his
> > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for
> criticizing
> > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the
fans
> > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for
> > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even
> > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like
> full-faced
> > > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there
will
> > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport
> > that
> > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I
hear
> > it.
> > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the
autopsy
> > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.
> > Maybe
> > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from
> > their
> > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few
more
> > > head and *** injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense
> to
> > > them.

> > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go
f**k
> > > yourselves.

> > > David G Fisher

David G Fishe

Unbelievable

by David G Fishe » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:55:50

I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have
kept 99% of  my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file.

David G Fisher


> David,

> Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to
> re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!!

> I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts.

> Would you please go away!

> ed_


> > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me
about
> > two seconds to find these articles.
> <SNIPPED!!!>


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