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Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

Semi

Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

by Semi » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:42:44

I've played Nascar 1,2 &3 and watched a race for the first time on Sunday
and theres a couple of Questions i want to ask the NG

The "airbrakes" flaps on the cars roof, are they controlled by the driver or
automatically? if they are driver controlled are they on a pedal, lever,
switch or what?
Do any of the sims recreate the roof flaps?
are thay mandatory?
I,ve heard a lot of talk in this NG abot restrictor plates, What exactly are
these?
Thanks for the info guys!

Steve "semi" White

Eleven

Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

by Eleven » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:59:51


I can't answer your question regarding the roof flaps but I think they are
apart of the new "aero package" that is on all of the NASCAR WC cars this
season.

As far as restrictor plates are concerned, they are thin, square-shaped
metal plates with 4, small, circular shaped holes located in the middle of
the plate. These plates are placed on top of the engines carberator and
their primary purpose is to reduce the amount of horsepower that the engine
would normally produce in a non-restrictor plate race. The reduction in
horsepower would also produce a reduction in the maxium speed of the vehicle
which would make the vehicle more safer to drive on the larger
superspeedways in places such as Daytona and Talledega. For what it's worth,
the majority of the NASCAR drivers don't like restrictor plates but NASCAR
mandates their usage on certain tracks and, for better or worse, NASCAR is
real good about enforcing its own rules, regardless of what the drivers may
or may not think about them.

I hope this helps.

SimRace

Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

by SimRace » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:57:02

Roof flaps: There is an argument about this going on in the Papy forums, but
here is what they are - They are "deployed" when the air flow over the car
reverses and they create a disturbence in the flow of air to try to help
prevent the backward blow-over type wrecks that were beginning to happen at
the superspeedways like Daytona and Talladega. Seems trapped air was
creating lift under the cars when the cars weren't pointed the correct way
and these were deveolped to try to foil the air/lift and to keep the cars on
the ground. They seem effective until the car is actaully pushed or hit when
reveresed at high speed ala Tony Stewart at Daytona this year. He was ok
until Robby Gordon hit him, then he started filpping. The actual reversal of
air lifts them up, some argue that it is high pressure in the***pit, as
has been stated in the Papy N4 forum. I think it is the low pressure over
the car personaly since the rear is taller than the front...

Restrictor plate: Device that goes between the single 4-bbl carb and the
intake manifold to limit the amount of air/fuel into the engine to restrict
HP. It is an aluminum plate with 4 holes passed out by NASCAR at events that
require them. The hole size is mandated and as of late has been enlargend to
15/16 I think, to mate up with the new aero package (roof fin/foil and bill
on rear spoiler). In laymens terms, it limits the amount of air/fuel combo
coming from the cold air box (breather)/carb into the engine. Figures are
banted around saying it takes nearly 100 horsepower away from a free
breething NASCAR 358ci motor.

NASCAR Racing 4 has roof flaps and restrictor plates, and they appear mildly
functional in the sim (I think the specific gravity in N4 is off though, it
is too easy to flip). NASCAR 3 only had restrictor plates and did not need
flaps as it physics engine did not support inverted cars. The resitroctor
plates can come off by tweaking track files in both, my personal fastset avg
lap at Dega w/o plates is 219.82 (which breaks Bill Elliot's reacord of 212+
the year immediatly preceeding the restrictor plates...) Now with plates,
your lucky to get into the low to mid 190's.

Hope this helps,

HB


Larr

Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

by Larr » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:22:48

I think the pressure change in the***pit gets them started, then the
reverse airflow takes over afterwards.

-Larry


> Roof flaps: There is an argument about this going on in the Papy forums,
but
> here is what they are - They are "deployed" when the air flow over the car
> reverses and they create a disturbence in the flow of air to try to help
> prevent the backward blow-over type wrecks that were beginning to happen
at
> the superspeedways like Daytona and Talladega. Seems trapped air was
> creating lift under the cars when the cars weren't pointed the correct way
> and these were deveolped to try to foil the air/lift and to keep the cars
on
> the ground. They seem effective until the car is actaully pushed or hit
when
> reveresed at high speed ala Tony Stewart at Daytona this year. He was ok
> until Robby Gordon hit him, then he started filpping. The actual reversal
of
> air lifts them up, some argue that it is high pressure in the***pit, as
> has been stated in the Papy N4 forum. I think it is the low pressure over
> the car personaly since the rear is taller than the front...

> Restrictor plate: Device that goes between the single 4-bbl carb and the
> intake manifold to limit the amount of air/fuel into the engine to
restrict
> HP. It is an aluminum plate with 4 holes passed out by NASCAR at events
that
> require them. The hole size is mandated and as of late has been enlargend
to
> 15/16 I think, to mate up with the new aero package (roof fin/foil and
bill
> on rear spoiler). In laymens terms, it limits the amount of air/fuel combo
> coming from the cold air box (breather)/carb into the engine. Figures are
> banted around saying it takes nearly 100 horsepower away from a free
> breething NASCAR 358ci motor.

> NASCAR Racing 4 has roof flaps and restrictor plates, and they appear
mildly
> functional in the sim (I think the specific gravity in N4 is off though,
it
> is too easy to flip). NASCAR 3 only had restrictor plates and did not need
> flaps as it physics engine did not support inverted cars. The resitroctor
> plates can come off by tweaking track files in both, my personal fastset
avg
> lap at Dega w/o plates is 219.82 (which breaks Bill Elliot's reacord of
212+
> the year immediatly preceeding the restrictor plates...) Now with plates,
> your lucky to get into the low to mid 190's.

> Hope this helps,

> HB



> > I've played Nascar 1,2 &3 and watched a race for the first time on
Sunday
> > and theres a couple of Questions i want to ask the NG

> > The "airbrakes" flaps on the cars roof, are they controlled by the
driver
> or
> > automatically? if they are driver controlled are they on a pedal, lever,
> > switch or what?
> > Do any of the sims recreate the roof flaps?
> > are thay mandatory?
> > I,ve heard a lot of talk in this NG abot restrictor plates, What exactly
> are
> > these?
> > Thanks for the info guys!

> > Steve "semi" White

Race15

Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

by Race15 » Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:58:17

Roof Flaps:
When a car starts to get sideways, the air entering the***pit through the
drivers window used to get trapped in the***pit. With no place for the air to
go, the car would buffet, then lift.  The roof flaps open as air is forced into
the***pit, letting the air escape, letting the air flow through the car,
keeping it on the ground.
Mike
Alan Conceic

Qeustions from a NASCAR newbie

by Alan Conceic » Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:13:15

Roof Flaps are automatic and are deployed by the change in air pressure when
the car turns sideways. The roof-flaps deflect air, therefore cancelling much
of the lift. They are required on all Winston Cup and Busch Series cars. As for
Trucks, I'm not sure.

Restrictor Plates are metal plates, with 4 holes drilled to 3/4 of an inch in
diameter, that is used to restrict the amount of air that is taken in by the
carberator. This results in a loss of aproximately 300 horsepower. The were
introduced following a 1986 accident involving Bobby Allison.
Allison was running between 200-220 mph when his car was hit from behind. He
went airborne into the catchfence at Talladega. I belive debris from his car
may have killed some spectators. Anyways, they are mainly instituted in order
to keep the cars from crossing over the catchfences at high speed and into the
crowd.

-
 Alan


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