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steering wheels

Tracey A Mille

steering wheels

by Tracey A Mille » Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Hardly. I tried a TSW2 and it was home made crap. When I wrote TE to inform
them they responded "if you wanted quality , why did you buy our cheapest
product?" LOL! Like I want a wheel that is going to last me a lifetime when
new and better technology will be available in a year. But the TSW2 didn't
even last a month! My old trusted TM Pro still does the job with dos sims
(N2) and my Logitech FF wheel should hold up until the new even better FF
wheels are introduced. No matter how much money you spend it's still just a
toy. I like to be able to replace my toys every year. Do you drive the same
car every year? When one of these wheel companies starts taking trade-ins
I'll consider spending big money on a wheel.

John Bodin wrote

Joel Willstei

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by Joel Willstei » Wed, 11 Aug 1999 04:00:00


>Hardly. I tried a TSW2 and it was home made crap. When I wrote TE to inform
>them they responded "if you wanted quality , why did you buy our cheapest
>product?" LOL! Like I want a wheel that is going to last me a lifetime when
>new and better technology will be available in a year. But the TSW2 didn't
>even last a month! My old trusted TM Pro still does the job with dos sims
>(N2) and my Logitech FF wheel should hold up until the new even better FF
>wheels are introduced. No matter how much money you spend it's still just a
>toy. I like to be able to replace my toys every year. Do you drive the same
>car every year? When one of these wheel companies starts taking trade-ins
>I'll consider spending big money on a wheel.

Tracy,

     Did you return the TSW2 for a refund?

     And exactly what did you feel were the short comings of the TSW2 to be
termed "crap"?

Joel Willstein

Rush

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by Rush » Wed, 11 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I have a fully load ECCI Pocono.  The best 1400 bucks I ever spent!!

If I want Force Feedback, I'll go to the local arcade shop where the kids
play but for serious simulation controls, I'll
stick to the CDS4000 Pocono with Fluid Dampening, for the ultimate in
driving feel.  Let the flames begin!!


Eldre

steering wheels

by Eldre » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Wong) writes:

>>"with all the options available you can custom design your own setup and
>this
>>will be the last wheel you will ever have to buy :)."

>>Because You'll Be Just Too Broke To Ever Consider Buying Another Wheel....

>Anyone who is serious about their sims won't hesitate spending a lot
>of money for something they can keep and upgrade for years to come.
>Sounds more like you're envious of those who have forked over the
>money. BTW, this applies to ANY expensive well produced wheel, not
>just TSW. You pay Thrustmaster money, you get Thrustmaster quality and
>longevity I'm afraid.

Well, I guess it's a trade-off.  After owning 3 Thrustmaster wheels, I'm
considering(again) getting a TSW.  Hey, I bought a new computer JUST because of
GPL.  But, no way in HELL am I going to spend $1000+ for a steering wheel for a
computer.  I didn't pay that much for my first CAR...  It must be nice to have
enough money that you can spend that much without hesitating...

Eldred

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Jjnasc

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by Jjnasc » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00

"It must be nice to have
enough money that you can spend that much without hesitating..."

For Those Of You Who Fit The Above Statement...Email Me ...I Have A Great Deal
On A Bridge I Must Sell...
:)

drbo..

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by drbo.. » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00

        TSW2 modified (includes clutch, single/dual axis plug, and
wheel buttons) + paddle shifters is a great (but non FF) GPL wheel for
a little less than $500.  About the same as 3 Thrustmasters :-).

                bob

Tracey A Mille

steering wheels

by Tracey A Mille » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Joel Willstein wrote

Yes, one good thing I can say about TE is they lived up to the 30 day money
back guarantee, minus shipping of course.

Well, I think I was expecting too much to begin with. At 3 times the price
of a TM Pro wheel I expected 3 times the product. When I opened the box at
work some of the other guys literally started laughing. The thing looked
like I slapped it together out in the garage.

The pedals, especially the gas as I recall, had an extremely short throw -
about like the Logitech Wheel. The wheel itself was much bigger than the TM,
and the slightest movement seemed to make my car (N2) wiggle. I remember
lowering the wheel lock on all of my setups in attempt to compensate. I quit
racing Taledega altogether for the month that I had it because there was
simply no way to be smooth (fast). Strangely it seemed to make me faster at
the short tracks, almost a year later I still haven't beat some of the times
I posted at places like Myrtle Beach and Nashville.

Just when I had convinced myself that I could put up with the short comings
of the product for the sake of the durability this wheel would have (I was
tired of changing TM springs) the darn pots went out in the pedals. Suddenly
letting off the gas caused the brakes to slam on. So much for that famous
TSW durability. That was when I contacted TE for a refund.

I then bought another TM Pro wheel ($79) and ordered the Pro Pedal spring
replacement Kit ($35). I haven't had a  broken spring, pot, or any other
wheel related issue since. For everything except N2 I use my Logitech, and I
got both for the same price as the TSW2. The best part is that they are
disposable, so when something better comes along I can buy it with no
regrets.

Neil Rain

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by Neil Rain » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00


> [SNIP]

> Just when I had convinced myself that I could put up with the short comings
> of the product for the sake of the durability this wheel would have (I was
> tired of changing TM springs) the darn pots went out in the pedals. Suddenly
> letting off the gas caused the brakes to slam on. So much for that famous
> TSW durability. That was when I contacted TE for a refund.

If you read their web site they make it very clear that they have not
been able to find pots that are guaranteed reliable, which is why they
will supply replacement pots free of charge if one goes within the first
few months.

This happened to me, and they sent me a new one.

Anyway, you can buy replacement pots mail-order for about $2 each, so
you might as well have a stock of them to hand!

Tracey A Mille

steering wheels

by Tracey A Mille » Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I've never had to replace a pot on a Thustmaster product, including the T2 I
had for 2 years. I expected at least that lifespan in a product costing 3
times the amount. 3 months would have been disappointing, 3 weeks was
completely unacceptable.

Neil Raine wrote
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Nathan Wo

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by Nathan Wo » Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:00:00


FWIW, I use a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel. And I also own a Mad Catz wheel
and pedals. I have no intention of spending enough to buy a TSW, ECCI,
or any other "specially produced" wheel because of the sheer cost
involved.
If I had the money, for sure I would get one. I am tempted by a second
hand Ferraro Advantage 1 - one of the most recommended to me, and
locally produced, but even at $180 Australian dollars (which is
roughly $120 US), it's a stretch of my budget.

These are ROUGH prices to get an idea of what its like over here

TSW2 loaded up = US$500 = AUS $770
ECCI someone mentioned was US$1400 = AUS$2150
Thrustmaster GP1 AUS$100 = US$65 (way overpriced compared to what you
pay)
Logitech FF = AUS$350 = US$230  (and you guys pay what, about $120?)
Advantage 1 = AUS$400 = US$260

As far as us Aussies are concerned, you guys have it easy when it
comes to wheels! Your 3 Thrustmasters probably cost you less than me
buying ONE! :)

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Neil Rain

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by Neil Rain » Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:00:00


> Neil Raine wrote
> >If you read their web site they make it very clear that they have not
> >been able to find pots that are guaranteed reliable, which is why they

> I've never had to replace a pot on a Thustmaster product, including the T2 I
> had for 2 years. I expected at least that lifespan in a product costing 3
> times the amount. 3 months would have been disappointing, 3 weeks was
> completely unacceptable.

Well, I had one go after only a month, and have not had another one go
in the next 6 months, despite playing a couple of hours a day (and more
at weekends).

The point is that pots can't be guaranteed - they might last a couple of
years, or only a week - it's just a lottery.

The thing is that no matter how good the wheel is, if it uses standard
pots then they are always a potential problem.

Thomas Enterprises do offer "military grade" spec pots as an
alternative, but they are a lot more expensive and still can't always be
guaranteed not to fail.

I did manage to obtain some from another source for only $7.50 each, but
still haven't tried them as my current ones are still working fine - "If
it ain't broke, don't fix it!".


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