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by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 20 May 2002 11:05:23

"Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks like
Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when you can
do that ?

New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be boring
too.

-John

by **GMpartsgu** » Mon, 20 May 2002 11:23:27

most anyone behind the s/f line could have thought of it too...I'll have to
tip my hat to them, cause i also believe that its always best to work smart,
rather than hard when the opportunity presents itself :)

by **Bob Fellenbau** » Mon, 20 May 2002 11:24:22

I can't agree with you John. They found a rule flaw and used it to their
advantage, that's what competitive people do. The call WAS brilliant, was it
fair? Probably not, but that is for NASCAR to fix.

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 20 May 2002 11:49:42

Oh, don't get me wrong; there wasn't a rule against it, so more power to
them for thinking of it.

Just stinks IMO; it's not racing, anymore than the GP was.

Having a new rule against it next year(I imagine) says it all :)

-John

> I can't agree with you John. They found a rule flaw and used it to their
> advantage, that's what competitive people do. The call WAS brilliant, was
it
> fair? Probably not, but that is for NASCAR to fix.

> > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks
like
> > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when you
> can
> > do that ?

> > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
boring
> > too.

> > -John

by **drin** » Mon, 20 May 2002 11:56:08

what happened?

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:18:26

> what happened?

> > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks
like
> > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when you
> can
> > do that ?

> > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
boring
> > too.

> > -John

In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green pitstop.
Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while
everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or so to
cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over.

-John

by **GMpartsgu** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:18:48

I agree, it was almost a sure bet, so it kinda spoiled it. But i suppose
thats also a side-effect of what happens when you interupt racing with
mandatory this and that. Youre also right in the new rule thing. Im sure we
will see the mandatory "pit window" next year. Heeheeee !

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:29:03

Good point, that's true(mandatory stuff). Get rid of the pitstops<G>

-John

by **Schoone** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:34:07

And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really
make?

> > what happened?

> > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks
> like
> > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when
you
> > can
> > > do that ?

> > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
> boring
> > > too.

> > > -John

> In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green
pitstop.
> Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while
> everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or so
to
> cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over.

> -John

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:39:52

If, but, dog, rabbit :) If his clutch hadn't gone out, where would he
have finished ? Like he said, he probably would have won. Big difference
then.

-John

> And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really
> make?

> > > what happened?

> > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks
> > like
> > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when
> you
> > > can
> > > > do that ?

> > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
> > boring
> > > > too.

> > > > -John

> > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green
> pitstop.
> > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while
> > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or
so
> to
> > cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over.

> > -John

by **Bob Fellenbau** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:38:55

No, he finished 2nd

> And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really
> make?

> > > what happened?

> > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks
> > like
> > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when
> you
> > > can
> > > > do that ?

> > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
> > boring
> > > > too.

> > > > -John

> > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green
> pitstop.
> > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while
> > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or
so
> to
> > cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over.

> > -John

by **Schoone** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:40:57

Would have won the segment maybe but it wasn't for the big money.
It's The Winston, not a points race and thus the reason for the weird and
wonderful rules. Sure it wasn't really fair but this race is for the fans
and thus they try and mix stuff up a bit.
I'm no Jeff Burton fan by far but it was a fair move under the rules, just
glad he didn't win :)

> If, but, dog, rabbit :) If his clutch hadn't gone out, where would he
> have finished ? Like he said, he probably would have won. Big difference
> then.

> -John

> > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really
> > make?

> > > > what happened?

> > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G>
Looks
> > > like
> > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position,
when
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > do that ?

> > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
> > > boring
> > > > > too.

> > > > > -John

> > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green
> > pitstop.
> > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap,
while
> > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or
> so
> > to
> > > cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over.

> > > -John

by **Schoone** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:43:22

No, he didn't finish 2nd overall. He finished 2nd in the first segment and
20th in the final standings.

> No, he finished 2nd

> > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really
> > make?

> > > > what happened?

> > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G>
Looks
> > > like
> > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position,
when
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > do that ?

> > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be
> > > boring
> > > > > too.

> > > > > -John

> > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green
> > pitstop.
> > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap,
while
> > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or
> so
> > to
> > > cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over.

> > > -John

by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 20 May 2002 12:47:58

Yeah, that's true. Nothing illegal, etc. at all.

Just stinks IMO <G>

-John

> Would have won the segment maybe but it wasn't for the big money.
> It's The Winston, not a points race and thus the reason for the weird and
> wonderful rules. Sure it wasn't really fair but this race is for the fans
> and thus they try and mix stuff up a bit.
> I'm no Jeff Burton fan by far but it was a fair move under the rules, just
> glad he didn't win :)

> > If, but, dog, rabbit :) If his clutch hadn't gone out, where would he
> > have finished ? Like he said, he probably would have won. Big
difference
> > then.

> > -John

> > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it
really
> > > make?

> > > > > what happened?

> > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G>
> Looks
> > > > like
> > > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position,
> when
> > > you
> > > > > can
> > > > > > do that ?

> > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to
be
> > > > boring
> > > > > > too.

> > > > > > -John

> > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green
> > > pitstop.
> > > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap,
> while
> > > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards
or
> > so
> > > to
> > > > cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race
over.

> > > > -John

by **drin** » Mon, 20 May 2002 11:56:08

what happened?

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