rec.autos.simulators

Greetings to all.

It seems to be the opinion of all the "Real Drivers" out there that
driving with any
help settings on somehow makes you a lesser SIM RACING DRIVER. To each
their own I say.

GP2 Opposite lock help???

When this setting is switched off I find the handling & reaction of the
car to be most
unrealistic. No amount of opposite lock via the steering device (T2 in
my case) seems
to be able to catch and control a dose of oversteer, and I usually end
up in the wall
or in the graveltrap. (do the graveltraps remind anyone else of
Popcorn???)
However when Op.L. help is on and the car oversteers via too much
throttle or bouncing
off a kerb a quick dose of opposite lock can sometimes save the
situation. Maybe I'm
wrong and a real F1 car is that unforgiving? I don't think so!! You only
have to watch
the in car vision from above the drivers head in a real F1 car to see
the reaction of
the driver to an oversteer situation and they have the added bonus of a
seat of the pants feel, all I have is a comfy chair.

Anyhow I'll be leaving Opposite lock help on because it's got a more
realistic feel,
in my opinion, and besides you can get some wicked replays from the
trackside camera
as you power out of a corner with the rear-end loose and smokeing.

                RACE HARD!!!!!!!
                PARTY HARDER!!!!

                        Steve

On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 23:25:25 +0930, Steve Humphry

The real F1 drivers have incredibly fast reactions. Much better than
you or I. F1 cars have lots of grip but when things go, they go _very_
fast. Yes they are that unforgiving.

If you are happy to make use of an aid that gives you Schumacher's
reactions, then fine. But you're not stretching your own abilities.

Ah well, that's what it's all about isn't it. As long as you can get
"wicked replays", sod the driving model <g>

As you say, each to his own.

Richard

 SH> It seems to be the opinion of all the "Real Drivers" out there that
 SH> driving with any help settings on somehow makes you a lesser SIM RACIN=
G
 SH> DRIVER. To each their own I say.

If it makes you feel any better: I also use opposite lock help with my home=
built wheel&pedal system. And i most certainly consider myself a Real Drive=
r. I won't say that switching it off makes the car 'unrealistic'. It simply=
 makes the car into a machine mankind has yet to encounter. Including Frank=
 Williams.

I'm a bit worried about GP2 drivers very different preferences concerning=
 steering and brake/gas setup. Many joysticks are different electronic-wise=
 (ohm readings vary). So is wheel&pedal systems (bought or homemade). And=
 every soundcard is different. And people are running different clock frequ=
encies on their PC. Etc.!

I would claim that all these variables affect a persons setup and opinions.=
 If this is true - then there's no reason in discussing setups in GP2. Frus=
trating it is!

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Henrik Hjortnaes
      AMIGA
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

: I would claim that all these variables affect a persons setup and opinions.=
:  If this is true - then there's no reason in discussing setups in GP2. Frus=
: trating it is!

True, all the variables involved *** the idea about simply sharing
setups. BUT...all hope is not lost!

We merely have to do something more "realistic", and share setup
DIRECTIONS and CONCEPTS. In the (probable) case of real F1 cars, one team
telling another it's "setup" isn't going to help all that much,
concidering the inherent design differences involved. Rather, shared
information regarding ideas on how to change the setup, and the direction
taken is more valuable, IMHO.
    __o
  _-\<,_  Cosmo Potapoff

: True, all the variables involved *** the idea about simply sharing
: setups. BUT...all hope is not lost!

: We merely have to do something more "realistic", and share setup
: DIRECTIONS and CONCEPTS. In the (probable) case of real F1 cars, one team
: telling another it's "setup" isn't going to help all that much,
: concidering the inherent design differences involved. Rather, shared
: information regarding ideas on how to change the setup, and the direction
: taken is more valuable, IMHO.

This is an EXCELLENT idea.  I've seen a few posts here where this has
been done.  But, it would really be helpful for all of us, if more
people would share their approach to setting up their car for fast laps
and race setups.  

So any volunteers?  

--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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If you are using a wheel/pedal combo, there is insignificant differnece
between having "on" or "off".  If, however, you are using a joystick and/or
keybaord, it makes a very big difference.

BK

  Here is a comment on reactions from a book titled Drive To Win by Carroll
Smith.
The racing driver's reflexes seem abnormal because, like all athletes, they
have been trained and conditioned.  The truth of the reflex bit is that the
successful racing driver does not react to what the car does-he anticipates
what the car is going to do and makes the car do what he wants it to do.
The driver's speed comes from anticipation.  Reflexes are what saves his
like when the anticipation (or the car) fails.

  This is an awesome book for any driving enthusist whether it be sim or
part of your real like.

                Asgeir (see you in the Racing League..)
--
- Marthe Nes?en Gangfl?t

Well, particularly fast reactions aren't actually what they seem to
have. Apparently, studies of top race car drivers has shown that while
they don't generally have particularly fast reactions, they do
definitely have an ability to sort and gather information from a
rushing stream of data much more abley than the average person.

Above all, they look ahead in their minds, forseeing their path and
potential hazards ahead, because there is no time for even the fastest
human reactions to deal with most potential hazards as they occur. Top
racers also have a phenomenal feel for what forces are acting upon the
car. Put those together, and they amount to what looks like fast
reaction time.

<cut>

It sure helps to keep your car on the track. But if the opposite lock
help kicks in, you are already too late and you can forget a fast
qualifying time. So putting it on doesn't make you faster, but it
saves you from a lot of frustration.

Arnold

Well said Richard !

With OLH almost everybody can run fast, without OLH only the real mens can
run fast. <g>

Georg

Hi Georg!

What's with the aol bit? Not defecting I hope? <g>

I was messing about at Aida with OL a few days ago & once when I
deliberately took Hobbs way too fast, the OL kicked in to such an effect
that I slid sideways for about 20 metres. Utterly ludicrous :( I could
also consistently get a 5 metre slide through Attwood where it felt like
someone was tugging on a rope attached to the front wing.

OL may make the responses more fun for those who aren't quite so serious
about the "sim" bit (nothing wrong with that, I hasten to add <g>), but
even the real drivers spin occasionally ;-)

Cheers,
Richard