rec.autos.simulators

> When I cut the system on, it automatically shuts down after 3 or 4
seconds.

> Here's a list of what I've got.....

> Enlight 7237 ATX case
> Abit BP6 dual socket 370 motherboard
> Celeron 500Mhz cpu w/heatsink & fan
> 128Mg PC133 DIMM
> Quantum Fireball Plus KA 7,200rpm 9.1GB harddrive
> Creative Labs SB Live soundcard
> Creative Labs PCWorks Fourpoint Surround sound 5pc speaker system
> w/subwoofer
> Voodoo 3 3000 pci card
> 3com US Robotics modem
> Samsung cdrom
> Samsung 3.5" floppy drive

> (haven't attached the modem, soundcard, or speakers yet)

> After getting everything hooked up to where I thought everything should
go,
> I hesitantly, & nervously, fired 'er up..... (with the sides of the case
> off, so I could carefully view anything that might go wrong, like a fan
not
> spinning, scary noise, lights not working, etc....)

> There was instantly the pleasant sound of power going to the system, the
> power led came on, and the case fan began to spin. And instantly on the
> screen I saw "Voodoo 3 3000 BIOS" & some other small text that I didn't
> quite catch...(Woo-hoo!!!). Then, after only 3 or 4 seconds, everything
shut
> off.... (uh-oh....oh no...) Hmmm........

> I'm guessing that evidently, the motherboard has some type of safety
feature
> that protects itself by shutting itself down if it detects something is
not
> connected properly, or just not right. That seems to be what's happening.
> Because I then can't get the power to come back on until a couple of
minutes
> have passed. It's almost like it's cooling itself down or something, but
it
> wasn't on long enough to get any heat into anything. Interesting......

> I've doublechecked all my work, and simply can't find anything visibly
> wrong. I've checked all the jumpers, and they seem to be properly set as
> well.

> Here's what happens during the 4 seconds before the system shuts itself
off
> automatically.....

> All the fans start spinning
> The power led lights
> The cdrom led lights & I hear it's drive come alive
> The harddrive led does NOT light up
> "Voodoo 3 3000 BIOS" appears on the screen in small dos text

> Then it all shuts off.

> Sorry for rambling on so. I'm just trying to provide some detail as to the
> problem. I'm going nuts trying to figure out what it could be. If anyone
has
> any experience with this type of problem or knows what I'm talking about,
> please let me know what I may have done wrong.

> Thanks in advance,

> Burke Wells

>The red part of the ribbon cable should be next to the power connector.

>Usually a computer just will not power up when this is the case but it
still
>sounds like it is a possibility with your system.

> When I cut the system on, it automatically shuts down after 3 or 4
seconds.

> Here's a list of what I've got.....

> Enlight 7237 ATX case
> Abit BP6 dual socket 370 motherboard
> Celeron 500Mhz cpu w/heatsink & fan
> 128Mg PC133 DIMM
> Quantum Fireball Plus KA 7,200rpm 9.1GB harddrive
> Creative Labs SB Live soundcard
> Creative Labs PCWorks Fourpoint Surround sound 5pc speaker system
> w/subwoofer
> Voodoo 3 3000 pci card
> 3com US Robotics modem
> Samsung cdrom
> Samsung 3.5" floppy drive

> (haven't attached the modem, soundcard, or speakers yet)

> After getting everything hooked up to where I thought everything should
go,
> I hesitantly, & nervously, fired 'er up..... (with the sides of the case
> off, so I could carefully view anything that might go wrong, like a fan
not
> spinning, scary noise, lights not working, etc....)

> There was instantly the pleasant sound of power going to the system, the
> power led came on, and the case fan began to spin. And instantly on the
> screen I saw "Voodoo 3 3000 BIOS" & some other small text that I didn't
> quite catch...(Woo-hoo!!!). Then, after only 3 or 4 seconds, everything
shut
> off.... (uh-oh....oh no...) Hmmm........

> I'm guessing that evidently, the motherboard has some type of safety
feature
> that protects itself by shutting itself down if it detects something is
not
> connected properly, or just not right. That seems to be what's happening.
> Because I then can't get the power to come back on until a couple of
minutes
> have passed. It's almost like it's cooling itself down or something, but
it
> wasn't on long enough to get any heat into anything. Interesting......

> I've doublechecked all my work, and simply can't find anything visibly
> wrong. I've checked all the jumpers, and they seem to be properly set as
> well.

> Here's what happens during the 4 seconds before the system shuts itself
off
> automatically.....

> All the fans start spinning
> The power led lights
> The cdrom led lights & I hear it's drive come alive
> The harddrive led does NOT light up
> "Voodoo 3 3000 BIOS" appears on the screen in small dos text

> Then it all shuts off.

> Sorry for rambling on so. I'm just trying to provide some detail as to the
> problem. I'm going nuts trying to figure out what it could be. If anyone
has
> any experience with this type of problem or knows what I'm talking about,
> please let me know what I may have done wrong.

> Thanks in advance,

> Burke Wells

>My vote goes for double checking that you have the IDE and floppy cables
>oriented correctly, with the red stripe side of the cable on pin 1 of the
MB
>header and also the drive connector.  A backwards IDE cable can sometimes
>prevent a system from booting, a backwards floppy cable can create an
almost
>instantaneous heatup, too.

>Try yanking all the cables (for drives) off the MB and then see if it will
>power up, do the POST and then stay running.  Reattach the cables one at a
>time after that, checking after each.

>Take a poke through your BIOS and kill off all the power management
>features, too (ACPI, APM, etc.)   Windows 9* puts its own power management
>into the system regardless of the BIOS settings anyway, IIRC.

>Coincidently, 3-4 seconds is also the length of time an ATX power supply
>needs to have its on/off switch held down to cut power, unless it is set to
>instant on/off in the BIOS.  Could be a bad switch on the case.

>HTH,

>~daxe

>-- Sjon

> 'Tis quite the mystery, isn't it?

> Burke

> >The question will be or the BP6 is capable of running with one processor.
> >The Asus slot 1 motherboards come with a bridge to bypass the second slot
> so
> >it can run on 1 processor, I am not sure or the BP6 can do this,
especially
> >if it has no bridge included....

> >-- Sjon

> When I cut the system on, it automatically shuts down after 3 or 4
seconds.

> Here's a list of what I've got.....

> Enlight 7237 ATX case
> Abit BP6 dual socket 370 motherboard
> Celeron 500Mhz cpu w/heatsink & fan
> 128Mg PC133 DIMM
> Quantum Fireball Plus KA 7,200rpm 9.1GB harddrive
> Creative Labs SB Live soundcard
> Creative Labs PCWorks Fourpoint Surround sound 5pc speaker system
> w/subwoofer
> Voodoo 3 3000 pci card
> 3com US Robotics modem
> Samsung cdrom
> Samsung 3.5" floppy drive

> (haven't attached the modem, soundcard, or speakers yet)

> After getting everything hooked up to where I thought everything should
go,
> I hesitantly, & nervously, fired 'er up..... (with the sides of the case
> off, so I could carefully view anything that might go wrong, like a fan
not
> spinning, scary noise, lights not working, etc....)

> There was instantly the pleasant sound of power going to the system, the
> power led came on, and the case fan began to spin. And instantly on the
> screen I saw "Voodoo 3 3000 BIOS" & some other small text that I didn't
> quite catch...(Woo-hoo!!!). Then, after only 3 or 4 seconds, everything
shut
> off.... (uh-oh....oh no...) Hmmm........

> I'm guessing that evidently, the motherboard has some type of safety
feature
> that protects itself by shutting itself down if it detects something is
not
> connected properly, or just not right. That seems to be what's happening.
> Because I then can't get the power to come back on until a couple of
minutes
> have passed. It's almost like it's cooling itself down or something, but
it
> wasn't on long enough to get any heat into anything. Interesting......

> I've doublechecked all my work, and simply can't find anything visibly
> wrong. I've checked all the jumpers, and they seem to be properly set as
> well.

> Here's what happens during the 4 seconds before the system shuts itself
off
> automatically.....

> All the fans start spinning
> The power led lights
> The cdrom led lights & I hear it's drive come alive
> The harddrive led does NOT light up
> "Voodoo 3 3000 BIOS" appears on the screen in small dos text

> Then it all shuts off.

> Sorry for rambling on so. I'm just trying to provide some detail as to the
> problem. I'm going nuts trying to figure out what it could be. If anyone
has
> any experience with this type of problem or knows what I'm talking about,
> please let me know what I may have done wrong.

> Thanks in advance,

> Burke Wells

> >If I understand correctly it turns itself off right after you see that V3
> >bios message right? I don't get to see a CPU test, memory count, HD
> >detection right?

> That's correct. System shuts off automatically after approximately 4
> seconds.

> >Make sure that the processor and the memory are pressed in their sockets
> >properly.

> The sockets use the "Socket 370" ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) socket, which
> basically allowed me to simply place the processor in the socket then push
> down the lever to lock it into place. So I don't believe it can be loose.
I
> double checked the DIMM as well, and it's in solidly. Even tried it in
each
> of the 3 available dimm slots. No difference.

> >You say you have a Abit BP6 dual socket 370 mobo, does that mean it has 2
> >sockets for processors?? If so and you only have one processor inserted
and
> >one of the slots is empty you will need a socalled 'bridge' which you
must
> >insert in the second, not used processor slot. This is a small plate
which
> >should be inserted in the second slot. I found out when I had to put a
dual
> >p3 700 mhz system together at work last month, I was wondering what that
> >weird plate was (and especially why I had it left after putting the
system
> >together, hehe), after reading the manual I found out :) This small
bridge
> >should be included with the mobo..... You also might want to try
switching
> >the processor to the other slot.

> Yes, it has 2 sockets, and no, I don't have this 'bridge" piece you
mention.
> Hadn't heard of that. It didn't come with the motherboard and there's no
> mention of it in the manual for the BP6. That's interesting, though. How
> odd. I did try switching the processor to the other socket, though. No
> difference.

> >Make sure the multiplier and busspeed for the celeron have been set
> >correctly (7,5 * 66). The multiplier of the intel cpu's are locked,
setting
> >it to for instance 8 will prevent the cpu from booting. Some mobo's use
> >jumpers on the motherboard for this, others use to set this option in the
> >bios.

> Well, I'm not so sure about this. Seeing how I've not made it to the bios
> yet, I know it's not been messed with there. This motherboard uses the CPU
> Soft Menu II feature, which eliminates the need for jumpers of DIP
switches
> to set the CPU parameters. I assumed the CPU settings would be auto
detected
> upon the initial bootup and would remain that way unless I changed them in
> the bios later, but like I said, just haven't gotten that far yet.

> >My biggest guess is that it's something related to the processor, if it
was
> >a memory problem it should start beeping through the system speaker. If
it
> >was a HD problem it should have carried on testing the cpu, memory and
> would
> >run into problems much later on when booting (when detecting the disks
but
> >you should have seen the cpu test and the memory count already by then).

> >Something else now... why did you buy 133 mhz ram? A Celeron runs at 66
mhz
> >bus, which means that the memory also runs at 66 mhz, half of what it was
> >designed for... Unless you want to overclock but then it would mean that
in
> >order to get full price out of the memory you would have to run at 7,5 *
> 133
> >= 997,5 mhz, something which you won't achieve :) PC66 mhz would have
been
> >fine if you don't tend to overclock the cpu, if you want to overclock
PC100
> >memory would have been fine, you could run at 7,5 * 100 = 750 mhz, which,
> >with some very good cooling it might have been able to pull off, but 1000
> >mhz? no way :) You could have saved yourself some bucks there....

> >Good luck with it...
> >-- Sjon

> No particular reason for getting the 133 mhz ram, other than seeing it
> recommended and assuming it was the best. Basically, every item I
purchased
> for this system was based on a nicely written hardware article at
> www.theuspits.com which described how to go about building a really good
sim
> racing system on a budget. They recommended the 133 mhz ram, and I found
the
> dimm for $90 and I just didn't think that was all that bad. But I wasn't
> aware of what you mentioned about the celeron cpu. Maybe I screwed up. I
> don't know.

> Thanks for all the ideas. I'm still trying.....

> Burke

> -- Sjon

> > >If I understand correctly it turns itself off right after you see that
V3
> > >bios message right? I don't get to see a CPU test, memory count, HD
> > >detection right?

> > That's correct. System shuts off automatically after approximately 4
> > seconds.

> > >Make sure that the processor and the memory are pressed in their
sockets
> > >properly.

> > The sockets use the "Socket 370" ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) socket,
which
> > basically allowed me to simply place the processor in the socket then
push
> > down the lever to lock it into place. So I don't believe it can be
loose.
> I
> > double checked the DIMM as well, and it's in solidly. Even tried it in
> each
> > of the 3 available dimm slots. No difference.

> > >You say you have a Abit BP6 dual socket 370 mobo, does that mean it has
2
> > >sockets for processors?? If so and you only have one processor inserted
> and
> > >one of the slots is empty you will need a socalled 'bridge' which you
> must
> > >insert in the second, not used processor slot. This is a small plate
> which
> > >should be inserted in the second slot. I found out when I had to put a
> dual
> > >p3 700 mhz system together at work last month, I was wondering what
that
> > >weird plate was (and especially why I had it left after putting the
> system
> > >together, hehe), after reading the manual I found out :) This small
> bridge
> > >should be included with the mobo..... You also might want to try
> switching
> > >the processor to the other slot.

> > Yes, it has 2 sockets, and no, I don't have this 'bridge" piece you
> mention.
> > Hadn't heard of that. It didn't come with the motherboard and there's no
> > mention of it in the manual for the BP6. That's interesting, though. How
> > odd. I did try switching the processor to the other socket, though. No
> > difference.

> > >Make sure the multiplier and busspeed for the celeron have been set
> > >correctly (7,5 * 66). The multiplier of the intel cpu's are locked,
> setting
> > >it to for instance 8 will prevent the cpu from booting. Some mobo's use
> > >jumpers on the motherboard for this, others use to set this option in
the
> > >bios.

> > Well, I'm not so sure about this. Seeing how I've not made it to the
bios
> > yet, I know it's not been messed with there. This motherboard uses the
CPU
> > Soft Menu II feature, which eliminates the need for jumpers of DIP
> switches
> > to set the CPU parameters. I assumed the CPU settings would be auto
> detected
> > upon the initial bootup and would remain that way unless I changed them
in
> > the bios later, but like I said, just haven't gotten that far yet.

> > >My biggest guess is that it's something related to the processor, if it
> was
> > >a memory problem it should start beeping through the system speaker. If
> it
> > >was a HD problem it should have carried on testing the cpu, memory and
> > would
> > >run into problems much later on when booting (when detecting the disks
> but
> > >you should have seen the cpu test and the memory count already by
then).

> > >Something else now... why did you buy 133 mhz ram? A Celeron runs at 66
> mhz
> > >bus, which means that the memory also runs at 66 mhz, half of what it
was
> > >designed for... Unless you want to overclock but then it would mean
that
> in
> > >order to get full price out of the memory you would have to run at 7,5
*
> > 133
> > >= 997,5 mhz, something which you won't achieve :) PC66 mhz would have
> been
> > >fine if you don't tend to overclock the cpu, if you want to overclock
> PC100
> > >memory would have been fine, you could run at 7,5 * 100 = 750 mhz,
which,
> > >with some very good cooling it might have been able to pull off, but
1000
> > >mhz? no way :) You could have saved yourself some bucks there....

> > >Good luck with it...
> > >-- Sjon

> > No particular reason for getting the 133 mhz ram, other than seeing it
> > recommended and assuming it was the best. Basically, every item I
> purchased
> > for this system was based on a nicely written hardware article at
> > www.theuspits.com which described how to go about building a really good
> sim
> > racing system on a budget. They recommended the 133 mhz ram, and I found
> the
> > dimm for $90 and I just didn't think that was all that bad. But I wasn't
> > aware of what you mentioned about the celeron cpu. Maybe I screwed up. I
> > don't know.

> > Thanks for all the ideas. I'm still trying.....

> > Burke