rec.autos.simulators

by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:50:14

No, everyone that qualifies gets to run in the show.

--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566

by **Cliff Roma** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:03:01

That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying,
everyone makes the race

Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as
should be

by **Marc Collin** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:40:02

Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut.

Marc.

> That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying,
> everyone makes the race

> Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as
> should be

> > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a
> > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> > Thanks.

by **Cliff Roma** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:57:40

Only if there are more than 43 Drivers

They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers showed up
at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it.

> Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut.

> Marc.

> > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying,
> > everyone makes the race

> > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as
> > should be

> > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a
> > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> > > Thanks.

by **Michael Basde** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:30:39

Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must
attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show.

> Only if there are more than 43 Drivers

> They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers showed up
> at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it.

> > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut.

> > Marc.

> > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people
qualifying,
> > > everyone makes the race

> > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as
> > > should be

> > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a
> > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> > > > Thanks.

by **Cliff Roma** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:05:36

LOL, When have you ever seen them have to do that? DW has retired :)

The point is, the way N4 has the quals is realistic

We do not have more than 43 drivers in a race

> Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must
> attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show.

> > Only if there are more than 43 Drivers

> > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers showed
up
> > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it.

> > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut.

> > > Marc.

> > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people
> qualifying,
> > > > everyone makes the race

> > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is
as
> > > > should be

> > > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a
> > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> > > > > Thanks.

by **Wosc** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:48:58

That doesn't make it realistic...the question was that if more than 43 show
up, could there be a qualifying shootout (which I think there should be) to
see who makes the race. 43 people in the race is different from the amount
of people in qualifying.

JB

> LOL, When have you ever seen them have to do that? DW has retired :)

> The point is, the way N4 has the quals is realistic

> We do not have more than 43 drivers in a race

> > Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must
> > attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show.

> > > Only if there are more than 43 Drivers

> > > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers
showed
> up
> > > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it.

> > > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut.

> > > > Marc.

> > > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people
> > qualifying,
> > > > > everyone makes the race

> > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it
is
> as
> > > > > should be

> > > > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for
a
> > > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> > > > > > Thanks.

by **Mike Grand** » Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:57:48

Well, you could look at it this way. You can't have more than 43 show up
because there are only 43 connects available. To be honest with you, you
would need a pretty good connection to handle that many anyways and all it
takes is one bad connection to hose the field. There have to be some
limitations to any simulation.

--
Mike Grandy
Precision Racing
www.precision-racing.com

> That doesn't make it realistic...the question was that if more than 43
show
> up, could there be a qualifying shootout (which I think there should be)
to
> see who makes the race. 43 people in the race is different from the
amount
> of people in qualifying.

> JB

> > LOL, When have you ever seen them have to do that? DW has retired :)

> > The point is, the way N4 has the quals is realistic

> > We do not have more than 43 drivers in a race

> > > Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must
> > > attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show.

> > > > Only if there are more than 43 Drivers

> > > > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers
> showed
> > up
> > > > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it.

> > > > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut.

> > > > > Marc.

> > > > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people
> > > qualifying,
> > > > > > everyone makes the race

> > > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it
> is
> > as
> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify
for
> a
> > > > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala
N1-3)?

> > > > > > > Thanks.

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:20:49

James, they ONLY do not make it if they are not in the Top 43 Cars (there
are Always 43 cars in the race)

Nascar just does not say "Ok, the slowest 3 cars do not make the field".
They allow 43 Cars to race. In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in
a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th
fastest cars.

I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp

> Hmm, that's not realistic at all. In every NASCAR (WC) race I've seen
> there are always people not making the field. Why can't Papyrus
> simulate that?

> Besides, it would be great for online leagues because they wouldn't
> have to cap their membership and qualifying would take on a much more
> important role.

> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:03:01 -0600, "Cliff Roman"

> >That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying,
> >everyone makes the race

> >Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as
> >should be

> >> Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a
> >> race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> >> Thanks.

by **CPDRKITE** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:53:40

In multiplayer, yes. Perhaps what he's asking is if it is possible to have a
roster of more than 43 cars in championship mode so that each week some slow
team will get bumped - and maybe it's the player.

Chris P

by **Vintoo** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 03:26:04

If they implemented this for offline racing, the player would hardly ever
qualify! How would you like it if you could not make the race you just
created. LOL.

> In multiplayer, yes. Perhaps what he's asking is if it is possible to
have a
> roster of more than 43 cars in championship mode so that each week some
slow
> team will get bumped - and maybe it's the player.

> > In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in
> >a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th
> >fastest cars.

> >I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp

> Chris P

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 03:37:50

I did not even think about single player...

I think the game only allows you to have a entry list of 42 cars plus
yourself.

While it would be a nice feature, Vintook is probably right, no players
would ever make it. :)

> In multiplayer, yes. Perhaps what he's asking is if it is possible to
have a
> roster of more than 43 cars in championship mode so that each week some
slow
> team will get bumped - and maybe it's the player.

> > In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in
> >a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th
> >fastest cars.

> >I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp

> Chris P

by **Don Burnett** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:38:49

I am sure there were a lot of things Papy would like to have gotten in the
sim that didn't make the cut. Most any game developer in the final run has
to decide which items are more important and should stay and which should be
discarded.
Much like creating a film, I am sure the producer hates seeing some of his
scenes cut out.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

> Hmm, that's not realistic at all. In every NASCAR (WC) race I've seen
> there are always people not making the field. Why can't Papyrus
> simulate that?

> Besides, it would be great for online leagues because they wouldn't
> have to cap their membership and qualifying would take on a much more
> important role.

> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:03:01 -0600, "Cliff Roman"

> >That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying,
> >everyone makes the race

> >Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as
> >should be

> >> Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a
> >> race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)?

> >> Thanks.

by **Marc Collin** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:33:52

Wouldn't it be great doing an offline championship season and only making
the cut for about 3 races??!?!?! I think that's why they left it out.
Being 43rd of 43 is bad enough for people trying to run with realistic
settings!

Marc

> Since Papy's sims have always read tons of values from ini files, I
> don't see why it's so hard to implement a [field] value and a
> [qualsize] value, where qualsize > field and field being something
> manageable by the server. Besides, it's not just for online use.

> On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:57:48 GMT, "Mike Grandy"

> >Well, you could look at it this way. You can't have more than 43 show up
> >because there are only 43 connects available. To be honest with you, you
> >would need a pretty good connection to handle that many anyways and all
it
> >takes is one bad connection to hose the field. There have to be some
> >limitations to any simulation.

by **Kai Fulle** » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:42:29

since everyone is having such a hard time grasping this...

People want this feature so that they can have a more realistic championship
mode. They want to earn their way into the races... However a system like
this would require some sort of provisional system as well.

Cliffs quote:" The way N4$ quals is realistic" is inaccurate at best.

In NASCAR there are more than 43 cars attempting to qualify, though there
are only 43 slots in the race. If you attempt to qualify and place lower
than 43 you are out.

Qualifying IS unrealistic in N4, because everyone who attempts to qualify
(or even those who decide to sit it out, are guaranteed a spot, that is a
key difference, that takes away some of the competition of qualifying.

So no the procedure for which N4 uses to "qualify" drivers does not take
into account some major NASCAR rules.

As a matter of fact, it is no longer qualification if your guaranteed a
spot, it becomes a time trial or something.

As a matter of fact, a NASCAR commercial says "our guys have to qualify each
week in order to compete." instead of contacts like in other sports.

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