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Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

T. Nag

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by T. Nag » Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Howdy!

I am very disappointed. I have put together what I thought was a
killer system. I have a Gigabyte HX motherboard, a Cyrix P166+, an
Integraph Intense 3D video card, a Quantum Bigfoot drive, 32Mg or EDO
ram. I try running Nascar 2 and I am getting lousy performance. The
game seems to stagger or stutter at 3 or 4 different points around the
track. Same deal in Win or Dos. Both versions of Nascar show the same
problem. I tried yanking the Cyrix and dropping a P-133 in, same
results. I am looking for some insight, any suggestions would be
appreciated. Much thanx.

Richard Sco

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by Richard Sco » Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:00:00


>Howdy!

>I am very disappointed. I have put together what I thought was a
>killer system. I have a Gigabyte HX motherboard, a Cyrix P166+, an
>Integraph Intense 3D video card, a Quantum Bigfoot drive, 32Mg or EDO
>ram. I try running Nascar 2 and I am getting lousy performance. The
>game seems to stagger or stutter at 3 or 4 different points around the
>track. Same deal in Win or Dos. Both versions of Nascar show the same
>problem. I tried yanking the Cyrix and dropping a P-133 in, same
>results. I am looking for some insight, any suggestions would be
>appreciated. Much thanx.

I have a similar system, and I need to take the stands on people off.
With them off I get decent frame rates.

Nascar 2 is nowhere near the speed or graphics of Quake or many other
games I have. I've e-mailed Nascar who've basically shrugged their
shoulders.

I'm personally disappointed with N2 and the way it was coded. It runs
slower then Nascar 1 on my system.

Richard

Jim Sokolo

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by Jim Sokolo » Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:00:00


>I am very disappointed. I have put together what I thought was a
>killer system. I have a Gigabyte HX motherboard, a Cyrix P166+, an
>Integraph Intense 3D video card, a Quantum Bigfoot drive, 32Mg or EDO
>ram. I try running Nascar 2 and I am getting lousy performance. The
>game seems to stagger or stutter at 3 or 4 different points around the
>track. Same deal in Win or Dos. Both versions of Nascar show the same
>problem. I tried yanking the Cyrix and dropping a P-133 in, same
>results. I am looking for some insight, any suggestions would be
>appreciated. Much thanx.

Other than the lack of RDTSC instruction on your Cyrix chip, that
system should work well in a properly configured system. (Be sure you
are running in DMA mode. If you aren't, you have no real hope of
getting a super-nice smooth frame rate... If you aren't running in DMA
mode, correct that problem first.)

Are the sutters related to specific locations on the track, or are
they just periodic stutters? Periodic stutters, without connection to
specific "scenes" in the 3D world are most likely related to Win-95
going rummaging around your hard drive or network, checking to be sure
you don't run out of disk space, or trying to get an IP address via
DHCP, or something like that. Disable all of those annoying little
things, and give the game as close to 100% of the CPU as you can...

If the stutters are related to specific scenes, then you've probably
got to turn off some detail... One thing to try here is to run a 16MB
smartdrv to fool the game into using the 4-bit car textures, which are
faster. (This will probably become a command line option in the first
patch release as it is such a big win (speed-wise)...)

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

RIS

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by RIS » Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I'm using a ASUST2P4 MoBo with a I166MMX overclocked
to 225 at 75X3.  Frame rate still sucks at the smaller tracks.
My system yields a 470 on WinBench97 and that approaches a
PPro so configuration is not the problem.  Around the corners
with everything turned on and in alot of traffic slows the game
and can make driving tight a problem.  KH

B.T. Nag

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by B.T. Nag » Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Hi Jim; thanx for the prompt reply. I have a really dumb question.
What do you mean by running in DMA mode? I didn't see any instructions
with the card (I realize you don't work for Intergraph) about forcing
it into DMA mode, nor on the motherboard? Can you be a little more
specific about what you mean?

Regarding the stuttering, at Talledega, it happens exiting the pits
initially (all cars in the pits) and coming up to the Tri-Oval.
Someone suggested turning the crowd off. Heck, it happens with our
without the track textures and sky texture (clouds). I thought
track/grass textures were the most processor intensive operations. I
didn't see much difference changing these. But I will try crowd.

Most sincerely from the desk of BT Nagle


"I reckon so..." - Clint

Frank Faro

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by Frank Faro » Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> Howdy!

> I am very disappointed. I have put together what I thought was a
> killer system. I have a Gigabyte HX motherboard, a Cyrix P166+, an
> Integraph Intense 3D video card, a Quantum Bigfoot drive, 32Mg or EDO
> ram. I try running Nascar 2 and I am getting lousy performance. The
> game seems to stagger or stutter at 3 or 4 different points around the
> track. Same deal in Win or Dos. Both versions of Nascar show the same
> problem. I tried yanking the Cyrix and dropping a P-133 in, same
> results. I am looking for some insight, any suggestions would be
> appreciated. Much thanx.

I had similar problems with my P120 and Screamin 3d until I ran
RENDDMA.BAT.  This is the rendition version that uses DMA.  I've heard
that most motherboards won't use DMA with the CYrix processors, so this
might not work.
Mike Radl

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by Mike Radl » Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> I have a Gigabyte HX motherboard, a Cyrix P166+, an
> Integraph Intense 3D video card, a Quantum Bigfoot drive, 32Mg or EDO
> ram. I try running Nascar 2 and I am getting lousy performance. The
> game seems to stagger or stutter at 3 or 4 different points around the
> track. Same deal in Win or Dos. Both versions of Nascar show the same
> problem. I tried yanking the Cyrix and dropping a P-133 in, same results.

I have a GA586HX MB too (rev 1.54). Mine has a Pentium P166. You should
be able to run the RendDma.bat version of N2 which has the best frame rate
and graphics quality of the three versions. NOTE: Giga-byte bios ver 1.05
provides the best dma performance for my mother board! It's score is 80MB/s
as opposed to the newer bios versions 1.07, 1.11, 2.3. They all get dma
scores of 39!!! I forget exactly, but I think the 1.05 bios got me 4+
additional FPS. PCI latency is NOT adjustable with the Award bios. Also,
if you got 60ns EDO you should be able to set most of your bios memory
settings for maximum performance.

According to Jim Sokoloff of Papy, the Cyrix doesn't have an instruction
(Pentium does) that aids the controls calibration process when DMA is in
use. Something to do with timing...don't want to quote from memory at the
risk of misinforming you. I hear that this produces some choppyness when
with rendma on a Cyrix.

Good luck,

B.T. Nag

Nascar2, Cyrix, Reactor - poor performance

by B.T. Nag » Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:00:00

just a followup for all of you nice enough to answer back. I ran the
Renddma batch file and everything seemed fine! I saw a radical
difference in performance (good, that is). Seems to have solved the
problem. Thanx for the tips.


>Howdy!
>I am very disappointed. I have put together what I thought was a
>killer system. I have a Gigabyte HX motherboard, a Cyrix P166+, an
>Integraph Intense 3D video card, a Quantum Bigfoot drive, 32Mg or EDO
>ram. I try running Nascar 2 and I am getting lousy performance. The
>game seems to stagger or stutter at 3 or 4 different points around the
>track. Same deal in Win or Dos. Both versions of Nascar show the same
>problem. I tried yanking the Cyrix and dropping a P-133 in, same
>results. I am looking for some insight, any suggestions would be
>appreciated. Much thanx.

Most sincerely from the desk of BT Nagle


"I reckon so..." - Clint


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