btgoss
Goodyear used to publish annual attendance/TV audience figures, but no
longer. Most of the natural-terrain road courses do quite well,
spectator-wise, RA & Mid-O among them. Most of the street courses don't,
except for LB & Canada (e.g., Houston, Miami). And, of course, TV
viewership is lower than whale sh*t.
There are fewer than a half-dozen major n.t. road courses left in America:
Laguna Seca
Mid-O
Road America
RoadAtlanta
Watkins Glen
Am I leaving anybody out? I'm not counting Sebring or Cleveland (airport
courses) or Daytona or the new 2-mile, 17-turn Fontana (infield courses) or
Willow Springs or V.I.R. (de facto non-spectator tracks) or club tracks like
Putnam Park, Grattan or Roebling. That leaves....nada.
Net-net: CART should come to terms with France & Panoz or be denied 40% of
the remaining n.t. road circuits in this country.
breath!
--Steve Smith
> > btgoss
>There are fewer than a half-dozen major n.t. road courses left in America:
>Laguna Seca
>Mid-O
>Road America
>RoadAtlanta
>Watkins Glen
>Am I leaving anybody out?
Dale.
Jumping the gun a little with Miami aren't we...?
I didn't count Lime Rock as a "major" track (it could never afford a CART
sanctioning fee) because it's crippled by 1. local noise ordinances (no
Sunday racing, etc.), and b) by lack of access--it's 2-lane all the way from
the gate back over the border to New York. Any more than 5,000 spectators
and they call the health dept., the fire dept., the police dept., Zero
Population Growth, etc. But it *is* a lovely club track (altho not as nice
as V.I.R.)
> >There are fewer than a half-dozen major n.t. road courses left in
America:
> >Laguna Seca
> >Mid-O
> >Road America
> >RoadAtlanta
> >Watkins Glen
> >Am I leaving anybody out?
> Mosport
> Lime Rock Park
> Circuit Gilles Villenuve
> Dale.
D.
And the int'l circuits do get a lot bigger crowds, Mexico for a first
race was huge! And Montreal should be awesome next year. :D
Rafe Mc
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:49:23 GMT, "Stephen Smith"
>Goodyear used to publish annual attendance/TV audience figures, but no
>longer. Most of the natural-terrain road courses do quite well,
>spectator-wise, RA & Mid-O among them. Most of the street courses don't,
>except for LB & Canada (e.g., Houston, Miami). And, of course, TV
>viewership is lower than whale sh*t.
>There are fewer than a half-dozen major n.t. road courses left in America:
>Laguna Seca
>Mid-O
>Road America
>RoadAtlanta
>Watkins Glen
>Am I leaving anybody out? I'm not counting Sebring or Cleveland (airport
>courses) or Daytona or the new 2-mile, 17-turn Fontana (infield courses) or
>Willow Springs or V.I.R. (de facto non-spectator tracks) or club tracks like
>Putnam Park, Grattan or Roebling. That leaves....nada.
>Net-net: CART should come to terms with France & Panoz or be denied 40% of
>the remaining n.t. road circuits in this country.
>breath!
>--Steve Smith
>> The Long Beach round draws something like 150,000 for the weekend.
>> Other CART races are doing well, but there are some, like Michigan which
>> don't seem to attract big crowds. My fear is the natural road courses
>that
>> are far from big cities will lose out. Anybody got the attendance figures
>> for Mid Ohio and Road America???
>> dave henrie
>> > At this recent Austalian race, CART had over 110,000 people in
>attendance.
>> I
>> > heard the German and British races alos had very good attendance. So
>here
>> is
>> > the solution for CART.
>> > ONLY race overseas. I mean they can hardly draw flies here in the
>States,
>> so
>> > they should only race over seas. They can change the name to F1.5 and
>make
>> a
>> > fortune. Seems like a home run.
>> > btgoss
> And the int'l circuits do get a lot bigger crowds, Mexico for a first
> race was huge! And Montreal should be awesome next year. :D
> Rafe Mc
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:49:23 GMT, "Stephen Smith"
> >Dave,
> >Goodyear used to publish annual attendance/TV audience figures, but no
> >longer. Most of the natural-terrain road courses do quite well,
> >spectator-wise, RA & Mid-O among them. Most of the street courses don't,
> >except for LB & Canada (e.g., Houston, Miami). And, of course, TV
> >viewership is lower than whale sh*t.
> >There are fewer than a half-dozen major n.t. road courses left in
America:
> >Laguna Seca
> >Mid-O
> >Road America
> >RoadAtlanta
> >Watkins Glen
> >Am I leaving anybody out? I'm not counting Sebring or Cleveland (airport
> >courses) or Daytona or the new 2-mile, 17-turn Fontana (infield courses)
or
> >Willow Springs or V.I.R. (de facto non-spectator tracks) or club tracks
like
> >Putnam Park, Grattan or Roebling. That leaves....nada.
> >Net-net: CART should come to terms with France & Panoz or be denied 40%
of
> >the remaining n.t. road circuits in this country.
yer
> >breath!
> >--Steve Smith
> >> The Long Beach round draws something like 150,000 for the weekend.
> >> Other CART races are doing well, but there are some, like Michigan
which
> >> don't seem to attract big crowds. My fear is the natural road courses
> >that
> >> are far from big cities will lose out. Anybody got the attendance
figures
> >> for Mid Ohio and Road America???
> >> dave henrie
> >> > At this recent Austalian race, CART had over 110,000 people in
> >attendance.
> >> I
> >> > heard the German and British races alos had very good attendance. So
> >here
> >> is
> >> > the solution for CART.
> >> > ONLY race overseas. I mean they can hardly draw flies here in the
> >States,
> >> so
> >> > they should only race over seas. They can change the name to F1.5 and
> >make
> >> a
> >> > fortune. Seems like a home run.
> >> > btgoss
> > btgoss
> I didn't count Lime Rock as a "major" track (it could never afford a
CART
> sanctioning fee) because it's crippled by 1. local noise ordinances
(no
> Sunday racing, etc.), and b) by lack of access--it's 2-lane all the
way from
> the gate back over the border to New York. Any more than 5,000
spectators
> and they call the health dept., the fire dept., the police dept., Zero
> Population Growth, etc. But it *is* a lovely club track (altho not as
nice
> as V.I.R.)
> > >There are fewer than a half-dozen major n.t. road courses left in
> America:
> > >Laguna Seca
> > >Mid-O
> > >Road America
> > >RoadAtlanta
> > >Watkins Glen
> > >Am I leaving anybody out?
> > Mosport
> > Lime Rock Park
> > Circuit Gilles Villenuve
> > Dale.
Has there been a date announced yet? I was wondering who was going to
race first, CART or F1.
don
