rec.autos.simulators

Bullshit...plain and simple. The software is solid. My old 166 NEVER
locks up...not once with F1 Racing sim. Of course it helps to pay
attention....the same thing happened with Longbow...with many not
reading the manual or not knowing how to configure and use Win95 to
run games then complaining about the sim they were wrong about Longbow
and you are wrong about F1. Also a big problem was mis indentifying
drivers....big problem.

I DO have the newest drivers, all 3dfx Reference drivers (THOSE are
the newest) I have direct X5.0 with the Direct play update installed
and I have them installed in the correct ORDER (big deal that is)...I
have a 250mb permenent swapfile and I dont ever get lockups.

Pierre

PS This is NOT meant as a slam to those asking for help but to this
person identified below.

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

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On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:48:28 -0500, "DAVID G FISHER"

(I'm currently having problems with F1RS (P166->225MMX,Mystique,Pure3d),
 and I am pretty sure it is some misconfiguration of my drivers)

...Andrew

On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:48:28 -0500, "DAVID G FISHER"
)

It does little good to say that problems that people experience with
certain software is due to system driver or hardware
incompatibilities.  While it is always a case of incompatibility
between the software application and the drivers or between the
drivers and the hardware, there are so many variables involved in
getting the software to work on so many different configurations that
it is a rare case that complex software works perfectly on any system
This is especially true for games which use every bit of sound, video,
cpu and input devices simultaneously . Many of the people that have
problems with some software have more than adequate hardware and
software technical skills to configure their system correctly and
check for the most recent drivers etc.

While I have not had any lockups with F1RS during racing (except for
the 1st week occasionally which was due to a soundcard protection
fault and solved by using the WAVPW setting), I know that there are
many bugs still in F1RS (even with the 1.05 patch).  I've had the
black sky happen once.  I get frequent protection faults when
selecting a replay.  Also get them frequently when using the telemetry
panel to save laps to file . Fortunately, in this case, other people
such as Rene Smit can write excellent add-ons such as his PerfView
(even more remarkable to do this without the aid of a documented
structure of the data files).  Then there are the more subtle bugs
that are in the gray area between being blatantly erroneous or
inconsistent and being design flaws.

So, while I continue to enjoy racing with F1RS, I would not ever say
that any software that I use is completely bug free even if it works
perfectly on my system.  Anyone saying differently is just plain
naive, ignorant or unable to face reality.  Bugs in complex software
is  just a fact of life.  My choice is to look at what works and to
use that if it is possible.  Is the cup half full or half empty, etc.

DS

I totally agree with all of your comments. These sims (CPR, and F1) are so
amazing to me that I expect and am willing to work through any problems
which arise.

You mention the bugs you have encountered and, like I said, they are the
same ones which were in POD. My only criticism was that you would think that
these would, and should have, been eliminated with this sim. If there are
new bugs with F1, that really doesn't bother me. I just think that problems
that are known of for so long by a manufacturer should be corrected.

One thing I find amusing is that the people who jumped all over my fairly
soft criticisims of the F1 software are the same ones who criticized the CPR
software. They attacked it because it didn't run well on THEIR SYSTEM!! The
problems were all in the CPR software and anyone who had (still has) CPR
running perfectly on their system was shouted down. Now they have the
opposite stance. On this newsgroup, it seems that people  form an allegiance
to a sim, defend it religiously, and then attack anyone else who has a
different opinion. Kind of reminds me of a bunch of drunken losers arguing
about who has the better football team and what quarterback "sucks" or is
"great".

Dave

Yeah, it turns out it was the card overheating. I haven't overclocked
anything on my system though, I guess its just the design of the case or
something. Anyway, I put a fan on it, and I can enjoy the fantastic
glory of F1RS now. And it's great :)

Thanks to all who helped, you made my year :)

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Dave Bowers

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Rob

First off are you overclocking the card..? If so how hot is it
getting...are you cooling it? If not and your overclocking the Voodoo
you should look into sometype of cooling setup.

Also how hot is your CPU getting with the overclocking and what are
you doing to correct the situation.

1. Direct X w/update
2. Voodoo reference Direct X drivers (from 3dfx site)
3. Glide reference drivers from 3dfx site.

But I bet your problem is heat.....sure sounds like it. Or just plain
instability of the overclocking of the CPU. Cooling will help that
situation alot.

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Have fan on CPU (obviously) with some heatsink compound, plus a
largesecondary fan blowing across the motherboard (which btw is an ASUS
P55T2P4)

This CPU has been run extensively at 250Mhz (83x3) with no
apparent problems.  For the purposes of investigating this problem,
I've dropped it down to 75x3.  I used to have a Monster 3D and at
83x3 I did not have this problem *at all*.  So while I agree it is
possible, I don't think my problem is heat.

Actually, I did some more poking around last night, cleaning up
old registry entries and re-installing drivers (In what I think is the
right order).  I'm starting to think the problem is my cheapo
ESS1869 AudioDrive sound card.  A lot of the crashes that occur
have WAVPW and/or ES1869 in the illegal operation window
that comes up when the game crashes.  Also, the intro movie is
jerky when the sound is playing, but perfectly smooth if sound is
turned off.

Also, I have a Matrox Mystique video card, so I wonder if I am
suffering from the PCI slot  Pure3D<->Mystique  problem....

I'll eventually figure it out, I'm sure.  Frustrating, though.

Btw, no problems at all running Direct3D games or
benchmarks.

Great point...I have a permanent 250mb swapfile going and I think that
helps alot.

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...Andrew

oooh yea missed that another good point...

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