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by **Neil Yeatma** » Mon, 15 Jul 1996 04:00:00

As you may have heard by now, Jeff Krosnoff and a corner
worker were killed instantly with a few laps to go at the
Toronto Indy. This was an extremely saddening event at
an otherwise exciting race (which I was lucky/unlucky
enough to have attended).

In order to honour Jeff, I wish to remove his name and car
from my various ICR2 carsets.

Does anyone know how I do this, aside from the obvious one
of replacing his car with different one?

Neil
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down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel..

Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **ARobe855** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

It was an horrific crash. The worst I have ever seen. Also in two
separate Bike GP's a rider and marshall were killed when they collided and
then in another gp 4 spectators were killed when debris entered the
crowd!!!!
Not a weeked to remember.

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by **Banfi Fol** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Definitely not a nice weekend.
Add that 4 people were killed and several other are badly injured because
of an accident that occurred during a rally-cross race, and you'll see it's
been even worse than that.

One thing is certain. If one day, playing GP2, I'll see a car go airborne
I won't laugh nor say "wow".

Folco

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by **Keith Speron** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> As you may have heard by now, Jeff Krosnoff and a corner
> worker were killed instantly with a few laps to go at the
> Toronto Indy. This was an extremely saddening event at
> an otherwise exciting race (which I was lucky/unlucky
> enough to have attended).

> In order to honour Jeff, I wish to remove his name and car
> from my various ICR2 carsets.

> Does anyone know how I do this, aside from the obvious one
> of replacing his car with different one?

> Neil
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The only thing i could thing of is clicking on white or gray and
pressing clear and then put in blank for all the driver info.

by **Michael E. Carv** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

: In order to honour Jeff, I wish to remove his name and car
: from my various ICR2 carsets.

I am doing just the opposite. To honor Jeff and his memory, he is
staying in my PPG96 carset. Racing against his car will be a reminder
of my own mortality and helps keep things in perspective.

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Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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by **Tim Olso** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Actually, those 4 people were killed in France when they were hit by an out
of control rally car.

Tim

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by **Robin Ti** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>: In order to honour Jeff, I wish to remove his name and car
>: from my various ICR2 carsets.
>I am doing just the opposite. To honor Jeff and his memory, he is
>staying in my PPG96 carset. Racing against his car will be a reminder
>of my own mortality and helps keep things in perspective.

I agree. I actually bumped up his numbers in the drivers.txt. I did this to give
him the benefit of doubt on what kind of driver he would have become......
Kind of to make up for lost potential.

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by **JAMES DUNPH** » Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:00:00

I was there, and it was a sad day for racing. I will also remove his name
from my cars in honour of his memory.

by **Mark Yeun** » Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> It was an horrific crash. The worst I have ever seen.

I think the Gilles Villeneuve fatal accident was the WORST?

by **Matt Mye** » Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:00:00

>>It was an horrific crash. The worst I have ever seen. Also in two
>>separate Bike GP's a rider and marshall were killed when they collided and
>>then in another gp 4 spectators were killed when debris entered the
>>crowd!!!!
>>Not a weeked to remember.
>Actually, those 4 people were killed in France when they were hit by an out
>of control rally car.
>Tim

>http://members.gnn.com/TOlson6275/main.htm

And unfortunately, a 5th victim died from injuries incurred in that
wreck. Makes you look back at the Talladega WC, and Bristol Super
Truck incidents and issue thanks to NASCAR for the extra precautions
taken to ensure fan and driver safety.

Peace be with the souls claimed.

Matt Myers
---------------------------------------------
Expressing individualism is just plain wrong.

Crow T. Robot

by **Alberto Manasser** » Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> > It was an horrific crash. The worst I have ever seen.

> I think the Gilles Villeneuve fatal accident was the WORST?

I've just seen some photos of the accident and it's very close to Gilles'last one. Also, I've read that Jeff
was a close friend of Roland Ratzenberger, the Austrian who died two years ago at Imola, a day before Ayrton.
It's terrible to see these things, but the race must go on, not for the show, but for this is just a part of
the game :-(
Alberto

by **Glen Zielinsk** » Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention to this thread and the
one in r.a.s.indy, but it seems to have been widely overlooked that a
corner marshall lost his life in Krosnoff's crash. Not to take anything
away from the tragedy of Krosnoff's death, but he accepted the risks
every time he climbed in the***pit, knowing full well that he may not
climb back out. The corner worker, on the other hand, was most likely
just a serious race fan wanting to be part of the action, and probably
never considered that one day he may get hit in the back of a head by a
wheel transmitting 350,000 pounds of force.

by **Neil Yeatma** » Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:00:00

> Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention to this thread and the
> one in r.a.s.indy, but it seems to have been widely overlooked that a
> corner marshall lost his life in Krosnoff's crash. Not to take anything
> away from the tragedy of Krosnoff's death, but he accepted the risks
> every time he climbed in the***pit, knowing full well that he may not
> climb back out. The corner worker, on the other hand, was most likely
> just a serious race fan wanting to be part of the action, and probably
> never considered that one day he may get hit in the back of a head by a
> wheel transmitting 350,000 pounds of force.

I don't want to show any disrespect for Gary Avrin, but any corner worker,
with an ounce of sense, would *have* to realize that there is a chance of
injury. A number of these guys have been hurt or killed over the years.
It happens.

The way Gary died was a one in a million accident, and it's really sad,
but as his (I think) grandmother said, "He was doing what he loved".

Neil
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Meek and obedient you follow the leader
down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel..

Neil Yeatman, Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **Michael E. Carv** » Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Following are excerpts from a news release dated July 17, 1996, by
IndyCar PPG Indy Car World Series:

All condolences for Jeff Krosnoff's family or team may be mailed to
Arciero/Wells Racing
30212 Tomas
Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif. 92688

DETROIT -- ...Memorial service arrangements were announced Wednesday for
... volunteer course marshall, (who) died in an accident at Sunday's
Molson Indy Toronto....

In tribute to Avrin's love of racing, there will be a celebration of his
life Saturday at Race City Speedway Motorsport park, 700, 333 11th Ave.
SW, Calgary, Alberta. Following cremation in Toronto on Friday, his
ashes will be dispersed over the race track during the service that
begins at 6 p.m. MT.

In lieu of flowers, donations may be made in his honor to the charity of
individual choice. Contribution notes and all other condolences for the
Avrin family may be sent to his parents: Marc and Ruth Avrin, 201
Esquimalt Avenue, West Vancouver, B.C., Canada, V7V 1R4....

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