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N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

Uncle Feste

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Uncle Feste » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:43:06



> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > -- May the Downforce be with you...
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> > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
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> > Snuh??

> Buh?

> (new .signature file, got tired after 3years of the old one.  It's a movie
> quote)

OK, you *are* the super genius.  You got exactly what it was I was
getting at.

--

Fester

George Lewi

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by George Lewi » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:09:30

Well said!
so far the only thing I miss from N3 is all the short tracks from the
BGN/Truck tracks



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Jan Verschuere

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Jan Verschuere » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:01:22

Judging from the rest of your post that speaks volumes about the game.

On the contrary... N4 is the first game in the series where I can tell where
the car is going without nescessarily having to look.

You probably still are... won't help you much unfortunately.

The why don't you guys start showing the cars a little more respect and
learn to take it easy with the loud pedal. If you can't keep it pointing the
right way down the track: SLOW DOWN!!

A car on the edge of traction will always be unstable <bad Scotty accent>Ya
cannit chainge the lows of physics"</bad Scotty accent>. More physics means
less liberties... i.e. the need to drive the cars properly becomes more
acute. Try a similarly scary amount of power on bias ply, threaded tyres in
a 1000lbs chassis sometime and learn to be thankfull for the inertia 3000lbs
of dry weight provides. Not to mention the effect of modern racing slicks
and chassis aerodynamics.

Didn't even notice it anymore after about 3 hours with the game. Look at the
track, not the wheel.

Needs time... I bet the early days with N3 weren't that great either when
people were inexperienced and didn't have their connections sorted. You've
got a lot of people "having a go" now... they won't stick around and only
those who can competently drive the tracks and have good connections will
remain over time.

Hmmm... I guess a case can be argued, lack of peripheral vision and what
have you. Then again... the real guys have their head strapped down, don't
they? So even the look buttons in***pit view could be considered
"unrealistic".<g>

All I can say is... one gets used to it. Sound is a big clue.

Put in the effort, get the reward. Try ReVolt for instant fun.

Don't know... depends who you choose to identify yourself with.

Bottom line... Papyrus created a game for us to practise getting to grips
with this new simulation technology on (which, apparently, they lost money
on) two years ago. More than time enough to get used to it's quirks and sort
out any online problems. You being caught behind the times today can hardly
be considered to be either their or N4's fault.

Jan.
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Jerry Jona

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Jerry Jona » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:11:24

Good post Jan.


Dan Belch

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Dan Belch » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:14:48

Well, f*ck you too!  :)  Why should I not be allowed to use my damn Roof-cam
view if I'm HORRIBLE in the***pit?  Okay, BEYOND horrible.  I'm a hazard!

Oh, like it even matters.  I can't race online because of the damn copy
protection problem requiring me to use a noCD hack!

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Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
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Dave Henri

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Dave Henri » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:34:29

  In or out...doesn't matter with me...I'm a moving roadblock..nothing
more...
:)  once I crack the top 1000 at the Heat IRF site, I'll wander back to
N4....
dave henrie

Jerry Jona

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Jerry Jona » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:40:04


I agree 100 percent. Love the BGN short tracks.

Eldre

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Eldre » Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:55:38




>> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
>> > -- May the Downforce be with you...
>> > -- http://www.ymenard.com/
>> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
>> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>> Snuh??

>Buh?

>(new .signature file, got tired after 3years of the old one.  It's a movie
>quote)

Running Man, Robocop, or Starship Troopers?

Eldred
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Dan Belch

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Dan Belch » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:19:25

I'm still pissed that BGN is dropping South Boston, Myrtle Beach, and the
Nashville half miler this season!  :(  Those were three great tracks!

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ymenar

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by ymenar » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:57:45


> Running Man, Robocop, or Starship Troopers?

Pfffffttt... those aren't movies that are quotable-quality ;) it's only
found in the Director's Cut of a version of this movie.  Ridley Scott
directed it.  I'm giving you the answer!

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

daxe

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by daxe » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:20:10




>> Running Man, Robocop, or Starship Troopers?

>Pfffffttt... those aren't movies that are quotable-quality ;) it's only
>found in the Director's Cut of a version of this movie.  Ridley Scott
>directed it.  I'm giving you the answer!

DAts gotta be Blade Runner....

~dx

Don Burnett

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Don Burnett » Sun, 11 Mar 2001 09:57:36

They'll be at Nashville next month, at our gorgeous new super speedway.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.


Eldre

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by Eldre » Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:05:49



>>Pfffffttt... those aren't movies that are quotable-quality ;) it's only
>>found in the Director's Cut of a version of this movie.  Ridley Scott
>>directed it.  I'm giving you the answer!

>DAts gotta be Blade Runner....

I never saw it...

Eldred
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George Lewi

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by George Lewi » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:26:42

Now if we can just fix the wall-riders and the Martinsville bugs...
sigh...

hey, at least the cars "turn left" the way they're supposed to :)



>    Another prediction of mine come true....N3 degaheads will HATE N4. look
>it up.
>I suspect we will see some N4 backlash from those who learned simracing with
>N99/N3.
>  Greatest single feature in N4 for online play is the FORCED***PIT....I
>love
>to see the tailgunners whine about NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE....guess everyone
>else
>drives with the Braille method.
>  Get rid of the Pull, get rid of the forced***pit, get rid of the
>physics...and what do you
>have?   N3....Get over it.
>dave henrie




>> > I cant take it anymore.

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George Lewi

N4 Unstable cars, bad online racing, may be realistic but does not = good racing...

by George Lewi » Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:24:09

Actually, the caster turning the car left makes for a faster car and
it's easier to turn.  As you probably well know, the speed in the
laptimes is achieved in the turns...

I found N4 more natural to drive than N1, N2 and N3 put together.  The
chassis adjustments give you alot of control to change things to make
them more your speed.

Take the caster out if you like. it won't "turn left" on you.  of
course, you won't be very fast, but you can't have it all :)

The looser the car, the faster it can go!


>I cant take it anymore.

>I raced a zilliion laps at N3. Won many races online, pick ups,
>leagues etc...

>I cant take N4. I had been waiting for this and now the cars are so
>unstable and just slide out from under ya without any (or little)
>warning...

>Is it just me? I taught I was a decent/good N3 driver...I just cant
>take N4 and the fact that the cars are so unstable makes for a 1000X
>more crashes then N3 online racing...No wonder wall riders can do
>good!!!!

>I wish the cars were more stable.

>I wish the pull to the left (stagger) was not in there even if it's
>the way real cars like this react.

>I wish the racing would be as good as N3. It's not. I dont think it
>ever will be.

>I wish it had a chase view like N3 (far chase)

>I wish I had as much fun with N4 than N3. I don't

>I am sad. Am I alone?

>Claude


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