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Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

Patrick Dogg

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Patrick Dogg » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hi,

With the setup from Ricardo Nunnini of the lotus for silverstone I think I
drive really fast.
But the problem is after every 2 or 3 laps the car breaks down. For a
different reason every time.
Is it because of the setup (I think so because It doesn't happen that often
on other tracks) or is it my driving style.

A while ago i read a posting about releasing throttle every time you shift.
This could solve my problem. But this option seems unnatural to me because I
think you really loose time using this technique. Any suggestions??

Greetings,

 Patrick Dogge

Bj?rn Nyhlé

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Bj?rn Nyhlé » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

You should really let off on the throttle when you shift or you will
repetetly over-rev the engine and it will enentually break down. Ofcourse
you will lose some time doing it but you will lose alot more it the engine
blows.

-Bj?rn


Ian Hil

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Ian Hil » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00


In fact IMO once you get the technique right, you should hardly lose any
time at all compared with speedshifting. It's all about timing and once you
get it right you won't have to think about it.

hth
ian

Andre Warrin

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Releasing the gas is very important before shifting, otherwise your
car will indeed break down after a lap or two, it doesn't mind which
setup you're using.
I don't think you'll lose time when you shift properly. Overreving
causes the tires to slip, especially in the lower gears.
Release the gas before shifting, and when you have shifted, don't give
full gas, but press the gas pedal fast but steadily.

Andre

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:41:22 +0100, "Patrick Dogge"


>Hi,

>With the setup from Ricardo Nunnini of the lotus for silverstone I think I
>drive really fast.
>But the problem is after every 2 or 3 laps the car breaks down. For a
>different reason every time.
>Is it because of the setup (I think so because It doesn't happen that often
>on other tracks) or is it my driving style.

>A while ago i read a posting about releasing throttle every time you shift.
>This could solve my problem. But this option seems unnatural to me because I
>think you really loose time using this technique. Any suggestions??

>Greetings,

> Patrick Dogge

Ricardo Nunnin

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Ricardo Nunnin » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Patrick

Jim Clark drove with great mechanical sympathy and had the
reputation of being the slowest at changing gear. Lifting
while changing gear never seemed to hurt his lap times!

In fact, you can quantify this in GPL by editing gpl_ai.ini,
and changing the time spent off the power by the AI when
changing gear. The line you're looking for is near the top,
and reads:

base_gearshift_hiatus = 6.000000         ; base time (in
ticks) engine is disengaged for a gear shift

I've found that increasing this by reasonable amounts makes
no noticeable difference to the AI lap times.

--
Richard 'Ricardo' Nunnini
http://website.lineone.net/~richardn
 - mirror in case the ISP deletes my homie  -
http://nunnini.homepage.com/

Jan Verschuere

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

You mean to say you still speed-shift?? -Well, that'll bust any engine using
any setup at any damage level other than "none". Silverstone is particularly
hard in that respect as it features a lot flat out accelleration sections.

You MUST lift slightly as you shift to make the engine last the distance.
The revs should be allowed to drop to the appropriate level for the next
gear (easier than it sounds). I disagree with Andre as to the re-application
of the throttle bit. When exiting a corner power should indeed be squeezed
on (the old "egg under the pedal"-bit), but once back to full accelleration
I believe one should munch-lift-munch.

Jan.
----

Andre Warrin

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Yes, this is what I meant Jan, indeed in the lower gears, when exiting
a corner, you have to squeeze the throttle, and when you're back on
speed, hit that gas pedal!

Andre

> I disagree with Andre as to the re-application
>of the throttle bit. When exiting a corner power should indeed be squeezed
>on (the old "egg under the pedal"-bit), but once back to full accelleration
>I believe one should munch-lift-munch.

>Jan.
>----


>> Hi,

>> With the setup from Ricardo Nunnini of the lotus for silverstone I think I
>> <snip>

Tomi

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Tomi » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> A while ago i read a posting about releasing throttle every time you shift.
> This could solve my problem. But this option seems unnatural to me because I
> think you really loose time using this technique. Any suggestions??

 How could it be unnatural to you to release the throttle when shifting
?
Do you have a driving license ?

 To be more serious, you must release the throttle when shifting to
avoid the engine get high rpm and blowing it.

Mark Daviso

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Mark Daviso » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00


>Releasing the gas is very important before shifting, otherwise your
>car will indeed break down after a lap or two, it doesn't mind which
>setup you're using.
>I don't think you'll lose time when you shift properly. Overreving
>causes the tires to slip, especially in the lower gears.
>Release the gas before shifting, and when you have shifted, don't give
>full gas, but press the gas pedal fast but steadily.

I actually lift a fraction of a second -after- I shift.  It's a virtually
imperceptible delay, but I definately don't lift until after I've yanked
that shifter back.  That way the timing seems to work correctly with the
"arm over to gearlever" animation.

Cheers,

Mark
Reading, UK

Kirk Lan

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Kirk Lan » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I personally can't drive very far speed-shifting - I always spin out!  You
can really get off the line in slow corners if you don't speed shift -
otherwise you spike the RPMs and risk lighting up the rears, if only for a
few yards, but we all know how bad that can be :P

--
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Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Joachim Lueg-Althoff, Neosid Pemetzrieder GmbH & Co. K » Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:00:00

But that is the only way to save your engine over a race distance. Power
shifting is only good for qualiying.

Jo Lueg

Peter Ive

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Peter Ive » Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:00:00



Absolutely!!
--
Peter Ives
(AKA Ivington)
J

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by J » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00

If you own a manual-gearbox car:
Drive a whole day by shifting without releasing throttle.
Tell us about your experience ;-)

Jens



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Jonny Hodgso

Nunnini's setup for lotus at silverstone -> car breaks down after 2 laps

by Jonny Hodgso » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> I actually lift a fraction of a second -after- I shift.  It's a virtually
> imperceptible delay, but I definately don't lift until after I've yanked
> that shifter back.  That way the timing seems to work correctly with the
> "arm over to gearlever" animation.

Yup.  There's definitely a delay between asking for a shift and the
stick finding neutral - with my setup I thumb and release the
shift button, then snatch my foot off the power and re-apply power
almost immediately.  Works very smoothly when I get it right, which
is probably about the same success rate as I have doing full-size
heel'n'toe perfectly (maybe 20% perfect, 70% perfect or pretty good).

Jonny


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