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New Sony really better than a PC????

<gfol..

New Sony really better than a PC????

by <gfol.. » Tue, 20 Jul 1999 04:00:00

A guy at work was telling me the new Sony Play Station thing coming out this
Fall will be able to run games better than any PC ever, run under a Windows
type format and be internet capable.  Is any or all of this true?  Will it
make my new P3 500 obsolete?
Thanks,
Gary
Douglas Elliso

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Douglas Elliso » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Don't be stupid man. They'll only ever make 'GAMES' for that sort of
machine - at least with a PC you can have all the games you want, and the
good Sim's, AND you can play with it - sounds / car sets blah blah blah....


Dave Speelma

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Dave Speelma » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


blah....

I dunno, they could probably run GPL fine.  The Memory Cards could hold yer
setup / player files.

I was looking through a catalog that had all the specs and options listed.
Over 3 million Polys a second.  It has a built in 56k Modem.  And will be
running Windows CE.  Making any PC Game VERY easy to convert.  The memory
cards look cool, they have a built in LCD Display.

Dave

Kev

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Kev » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Are you sure that's not the Sega Dreamcast (sillyname tm) ? The new PS2
isn't going to run Windows CE and there are no pics of anything let
alone the memory cards. The Dreamcast however is CE and the cards do
have little LCD screens.

As for polygons/sec on the PS2, it depends which bit you read but basically
75 million polygon/sec (small polygon)
50 million polygon/sec (48pix quad, 24bit color, Alpha, Z)
30 million polygon/sec (50 pixel triangle with Z and A)
25 million polygon/sec (48 pixel quad with Z, A, and T)
Particle Drawing Rate: 150 million/sec
Sprite Drawing Rate: 18.75 million (8x8 pixels)

15x faster floating point calculations than Pentium II, and 3x faster
than the
Pentium III
66M polygon/sec geometry calculations
16M polygon/sec curved surface generation (Bezier)

Kev




> > Don't be stupid man. They'll only ever make 'GAMES' for that sort of
> > machine - at least with a PC you can have all the games you want, and the
> > good Sim's, AND you can play with it - sounds / car sets blah blah
> blah....

> I dunno, they could probably run GPL fine.  The Memory Cards could hold yer
> setup / player files.

> I was looking through a catalog that had all the specs and options listed.
> Over 3 million Polys a second.  It has a built in 56k Modem.  And will be
> running Windows CE.  Making any PC Game VERY easy to convert.  The memory
> cards look cool, they have a built in LCD Display.

> Dave

Kook

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Kook » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

The Playstation 2 is not coming out for AT LEAST another full year.
The Sega Dreamcast is coming out soon in north America.
Can it run games better than a Pc? Oh yeah..big time.
It kicks all and any current Pc's out the door. And will for some time to
come. Processer power is the same as 4x P2-450's. That is without the 3D
hardware!
If you don't belive it go to the Sega or many game sites and read for
yourself.
It runs Windows CE..easy porting of any game. It is very upgradable from the
modem to CPU/Grafix/Memory add ons.
And you can use Pc joysticks, wheels. etc on it bacause of Windows CE.

For 200.00 bucks I'll be getting it.


Zonk

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Zonk » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00




>> Don't be stupid man. They'll only ever make 'GAMES' for that sort of
>> machine - at least with a PC you can have all the games you want, and the
>> good Sim's, AND you can play with it - sounds / car sets blah blah
>blah....

>I dunno, they could probably run GPL fine.  The Memory Cards could hold yer
>setup / player files.

>I was looking through a catalog that had all the specs and options listed.
>Over 3 million Polys a second.  It has a built in 56k Modem.  And will be
>running Windows CE.  Making any PC Game VERY easy to convert.  The memory
>cards look cool, they have a built in LCD Display.

The Sega Dreamcast runs Win CE. Sony Playstation 2 does not.

Z.

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Meij

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Meij » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

In fact the PSX2 is running a derivative of UNIX/LINUX

M



Dave Speelma

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Dave Speelma » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Yes, sorry....... never post tired :-)

Dave

Toni Lassi

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Toni Lassi » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>The Playstation 2 is not coming out for AT LEAST another full year.
>The Sega Dreamcast is coming out soon in north America.
>Can it run games better than a Pc? Oh yeah..big time.
>It kicks all and any current Pc's out the door. And will for some time to
>come. Processer power is the same as 4x P2-450's. That is without the 3D
>hardware!
>If you don't belive it go to the Sega or many game sites and read for
>yourself.
>It runs Windows CE..easy porting of any game. It is very upgradable from the
>modem to CPU/Grafix/Memory add ons.
>And you can use Pc joysticks, wheels. etc on it bacause of Windows CE.

>For 200.00 bucks I'll be getting it.

Hmmm, if it's THAT good and can beat an average PC hands down, why
does the inferior PC cost over $1000 and the console just $200? Or are
they getting memory chips and processors out of thin air???
Neil Rain

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Neil Rain » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00



> >The Playstation 2 is not coming out for AT LEAST another full year.
> >The Sega Dreamcast is coming out soon in north America.
> >Can it run games better than a Pc? Oh yeah..big time.
> >It kicks all and any current Pc's out the door. And will for some time to
> >come. Processer power is the same as 4x P2-450's. That is without the 3D
> >hardware!
> >If you don't belive it go to the Sega or many game sites and read for
> >yourself.
> >It runs Windows CE..easy porting of any game. It is very upgradable from the
> >modem to CPU/Grafix/Memory add ons.
> >And you can use Pc joysticks, wheels. etc on it bacause of Windows CE.

> >For 200.00 bucks I'll be getting it.

> Hmmm, if it's THAT good and can beat an average PC hands down, why
> does the inferior PC cost over $1000 and the console just $200? Or are
> they getting memory chips and processors out of thin air???

Could have something to do with the $200 you have to pay just for a
Pentium chip on a PC, despite the fact that it's out-of-date CISC
technology and nowhere near as fast as the best RISC chips available
(especially when you consider that you can have several parallel RISC
chips for the price of a Pentium).

This is the price you have to pay for backwards-compatibility.

Memory and processors are extremely cheap - it's all the other ***that
bumps the price up.

Chris Schlette

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Chris Schlette » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Yes, and no.  The Pentium chips really aren't true CISC chips either.  The
instruction set is, sure, but not the actual chip itself.  And the Merced
(i.e. the IA-64 and even its smaller brother then IA-32) are definetly not
either CISC or RISC chips.  The whole arguements of complex versus reduced
instruction sets and the architecture of the chips or pricing schemes really
isn't a focus of this newsgroup and can be as much of a religious debate as
either religion or operating systems themselves.

One way to look at it, but doesn't even begin to touch into the complexities
of broadbased computing (PCs, servers, etc) versus tightly controlled
computing (consoles, palmpilots, etc).

Oh, btw, for the guy who said that a Dreamcast system doesn't have 3D
hardware......can we say, BS?  Thought we could.  Dreamcast, Sega, PS2, etc
all have "3D hardware" in them, however they are engineering into a one
single unit and in some cases all on the same chip (again, different
architectural designs can lead to religious debates so refrain from even
bothering to try and debate it).

Galley_WorldDrive

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Galley_WorldDrive » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

There's a PSX2 FAQ at http://psx.ign.com/
Decide for yourself.

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New Sony really better than a PC????

by Jo » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>It kicks all and any current Pc's out the door. And will for some time to
>come. Processer power is the same as 4x P2-450's.

Hardware gurus: is this true? Does it really have that much power?

Joe McGinn
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Chris Schlette

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Chris Schlette » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00

No.  And its very hard to benchmark chips against each other.  However, the
chipsets for the next-gen *** consoles are very impressive in what they
do: full range math processing (especially floating point tailored for 3D
graphics), 3D graphics and sound.  Beyond that, they don't do very much
(well, ok so some have a lame 56K modem in them....just in time when
everyone and their dog is getting cable and faster connections).

Jo

New Sony really better than a PC????

by Jo » Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>Beyond that, they don't do very much
>(well, ok so some have a lame 56K modem in them....just in time when
>everyone and their dog is getting cable and faster connections).

Yeah, that seems like a really badly timed decision. No way I'd go
back to using a modem (and I certainly don't want to pay money for
such an antiquated piece of junk!).

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