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by **Lorne Glustei** » Mon, 28 Sep 1998 04:00:00

I think you are right......

I keep thinking I am going to see ver2 at computer stores
any day now........
BUT.....
If you are listening UBISOFT ?.....you still have a chance to offer rebates
to the owners that made it possible for you to bring a "ver2" to market.
Do the right thing !!!!!!!!!

Lorne

><Snip>

>Ok, Our opinions vary, that's ok. It's no fun to buy something at full
>price, realizing later that an upgraded version is due sone. Don't
>worry, I believe that MGP will be released in Febr. 1999, so have fun
>with F1RS until then.

>Remco

by **Lorne Glustei** » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

I agree ===>100%<=== !!!!!!!!!
Great post.......I think it`s time the people that buy the 1st ver
(that allows for a 2nd ver) get rewarded in some way....
Instead of getting a slap in the face.

Lorne

>I've downloaded the 17 Mb demo yesterday, I needed to see what that
>sim had to offer.

>Well, those of us who bought F1RS will certainly feel ripped-off if
>they have to pay full price for what's IMHO the only version that
>should have been released by Ubisoft. In fact, the changes between
>the two releases (assuming that the demo reflects the full game) are
>vastly an answer from Ubisoft to our wishes. Better handling, more
>aggressive AI, no hickups in the first turn, faster menus, better
>sound (still not perfect), better looking tires (can't believe they
>were that ugly!) and so on.

>If they'd come to us in the first place there wouldn't have been any
>reason to create a second sim, I believe. You don't like F1RS? I
>don't think you'll like MGPRS. It's the same game (Oops! I mean
>SIM!). The feel is not more GP2-ish, for those who wish it were...

>There are a few issues that haven't been resolved yet:

>-Collisions are still unreal. When you hit an AI car it feels like
>hitting a cement wall. Your car stops completely and the CC continues
>it's way undisturbed. GP2 has a definite advantage in this aspect.

>- At the end of a race, you won't get any info on lap speeds as in GP2
>(When you loose, you could still say to the winner "Yeah, but I got
>the fastest lap! You're still 4 tenths adrift!"). You only get the
>same finish board that was there in F1RS, with the winner's time for
>the race and gap to the winner for all other cars.

>-It also looks like we won't be able to enjoy our parade lap... I
>personnaly don't understand why the computer takes control of your car
>once you've passed the start/finish line. Maybe Ubisoft felt like
>we'd need some rest after a race...

>- It's still hard to do power turns. I'm not an expert in real F1,
>but I'd guess it should be much easier than it is in MRGPS to do 180
>turns with such an overpowered lightweight car.

>I'm sure there are a lot more changes than I've seen, but they don't
>really change the "feel" of the game (Oops! Did it again! Release
>the dogs!). They don't make the sim (Please stop the dogs!) perfect
>either, but they at least make it much more enjoyable.

>Those of you who were not sure if they'd buy F1RS because of the
>obvious glitches will be rewarded for waiting, as you'll get a better
>product for the same price.

>As for the ones who bought F1RS, you really deserve a special upgrade
>price. Fight for it.

>A. Renault

by **AKhan420** » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

If you are lsitening Ubisoft, please supply us with a track editor, that will
at least be a good reason for us to purchase it, since seeing that the retro
mode only comes with one track, at least we will be able to make our own
tracks and should prolong the life of this sim.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Do you people *really* comprehend what you are saying?

I'll use as analogy to make it simple:

In January you bought a new car. A new model from a relative new
manufacturer. The car had a six-cylinder, single-point fuel-injected
engine, a four-speed gearbox and a 4-speaker AM-FM radio. It was only
available in any of 6 colours, none of them metallic, so you chose the
plain white one. Oh...it didn't have air-conditioning. But it did have
some features as standard that piqued your interest: alloy wheels with
low-profile tyres; a sports body kit; some 'go-faster' striping and a
great looking spoiler on the back. So you bought it because it looked
great, went pretty well and, even though it had a whimpy exhaust note,
you liked the handling.

You were quite pleased with the car, feeling that, although there was
room for improvement in several areas, you had received a most usable
product.

Then yesterday the manufacturer released the new model! It came
standard with a multi-point fuel-injected V6, a five-speed gearbox, a
six-speaker radio with CD player and was available in any of 16 colours,
6 of which were metallics! All the other things that you liked about
the original car were included.

You then complained bitterly that *THIS* was the car that *SHOULD* have
been released back in January! And you demanded that the manufacturer
upgrade your old car, free-of-charge, or at least give you a new one at
minimal cost.

The manufacturer suggested that you to seek immediate psychiatric before
calling you a total ***er.

> I agree ===>100%<=== !!!!!!!!!
> Great post.......I think it`s time the people that buy the 1st ver
> (that allows for a 2nd ver) get rewarded in some way....
> Instead of getting a slap in the face.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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by **Michael Enrigh** » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

> Do you people *really* comprehend what you are saying?

> I'll use as analogy to make it simple:

> In January you bought a new car. A new model from a relative new
> manufacturer. The car had a six-cylinder, single-point fuel-injected
> engine, a four-speed gearbox and a 4-speaker AM-FM radio. It was only
> available in any of 6 colours, none of them metallic, so you chose the
> plain white one. Oh...it didn't have air-conditioning. But it did have
> some features as standard that piqued your interest: alloy wheels with
> low-profile tyres; a sports body kit; some 'go-faster' striping and a
> great looking spoiler on the back. So you bought it because it looked
> great, went pretty well and, even though it had a whimpy exhaust note,
> you liked the handling.

> You were quite pleased with the car, feeling that, although there was
> room for improvement in several areas, you had received a most usable
> product.

> Then yesterday the manufacturer released the new model! It came
> standard with a multi-point fuel-injected V6, a five-speed gearbox, a
> six-speaker radio with CD player and was available in any of 16 colours,
> 6 of which were metallics! All the other things that you liked about
> the original car were included.

> You then complained bitterly that *THIS* was the car that *SHOULD* have
> been released back in January! And you demanded that the manufacturer
> upgrade your old car, free-of-charge, or at least give you a new one at
> minimal cost.

But they do. It's called a trade in. At least they do give you back
something.

> The manufacturer suggested that you to seek immediate psychiatric before
> calling you a total ***er.

Mike

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by **Antoine Renaul** » Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:21:08 +1000, Bruce Kennewell

>Do you people *really* comprehend what you are saying?

(lots of details about a guy who bought a nice car snipped)

There is a difference between buying a car and buying software.

1-You're not talking about the same amount of money;
2-The devaluation rate is higher for software than it is for cars;
3-You can try the entire car before buying it;
4-You expect new cars to come out each year;
5-Etc...

And I'm sure there are lots of other differences...

You can use analogies if you want, but to me the one you used is
oranges and apples... Anyway I've read a little about the game and
now I know there'll be some more improvements over F1RS. Enough that
people who bought F1RS won't feel ripped-off when they buy MGP and
shelve F1RS indefinitely? I don't think so, but I guess it's a matter
of opinions...

A. Renault

by **Grant Reev** » Thu, 01 Oct 1998 04:00:00

> You can use analogies if you want, but to me the one you used is
> oranges and apples... Anyway I've read a little about the game and
> now I know there'll be some more improvements over F1RS. Enough that
> people who bought F1RS won't feel ripped-off when they buy MGP and
> shelve F1RS indefinitely? I don't think so, but I guess it's a matter
> of opinions...

yeah - it all depends on a person's opinions. for instance, i'm a bit
miffed that the driving physics model is still identical to F1RS,
complete with the flaws that put me off F1RS, so i won't be bothering
to get MGP. doesn't matter how many other pretty frills they have added
if the driving still doesn't feel right.
but that's just my opinion:) hehe

by **Lorne Glustei** » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Funny, I went into EB the other day with my copy of F1RS and they would
not let me trade it in ?
If all car dealerships let you trade in older cars why dont software stores
(or the software companys) let you do that with software?
Could it be that they are not the same thing ?
If you were right (with your below comments) then I would be getting
something
back from UBI for my "old" game.

Ya know, You would have made a better point if you would have compared
games to stale food <G>, but you would have been just as wrong.

IMHO It`s time for a change in the way software companys do things
(read my new post on that topic).

Lorne

>Do you people *really* comprehend what you are saying?

>I'll use as analogy to make it simple:

>In January you bought a new car. A new model from a relative new
>manufacturer. The car had a six-cylinder, single-point fuel-injected
>engine, a four-speed gearbox and a 4-speaker AM-FM radio. It was only
>available in any of 6 colours, none of them metallic, so you chose the
>plain white one. Oh...it didn't have air-conditioning. But it did have
>some features as standard that piqued your interest: alloy wheels with
>low-profile tyres; a sports body kit; some 'go-faster' striping and a
>great looking spoiler on the back. So you bought it because it looked
>great, went pretty well and, even though it had a whimpy exhaust note,
>you liked the handling.

>You were quite pleased with the car, feeling that, although there was
>room for improvement in several areas, you had received a most usable
>product.

>Then yesterday the manufacturer released the new model! It came
>standard with a multi-point fuel-injected V6, a five-speed gearbox, a
>six-speaker radio with CD player and was available in any of 16 colours,
>6 of which were metallics! All the other things that you liked about
>the original car were included.

>You then complained bitterly that *THIS* was the car that *SHOULD* have
>been released back in January! And you demanded that the manufacturer
>upgrade your old car, free-of-charge, or at least give you a new one at
>minimal cost.

>The manufacturer suggested that you to seek immediate psychiatric before
>calling you a total ***er.

>> I agree ===>100%<=== !!!!!!!!!
>> Great post.......I think it`s time the people that buy the 1st ver
>> (that allows for a 2nd ver) get rewarded in some way....
>> Instead of getting a slap in the face.

>--
>Regards,
>Bruce.
>----------

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