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>If you are a man try to go fast without F10

>Many thanks to all F10 players for kill the hot laps board.

>Matteo Calestani

> To all :
> Drive with F10 ? play with playstation is better for you and us.

> >Erm, take a look at the world-record hotlap boards at Schubi's site
> >(http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schubi/championsleague/WM.htm) - you'll notice a
> >certain Wolfgang Woeger featuring prominently, and he's a self-confessed
> >F10 user (not only that, but he uses a joystick - argh! ;-) ).

> Did you know that Wolfgang uses the***pit view when he is racing
> online? And did you also know that his times then are very close to
> his hotlap times?  Guess not, ***ing is easier then investigating...

>> >> Do I detect some sour grapes here, just cos you can't go as fast? The tracks
>> >> still have the same corners which view you look at it from. I don't like F10
>> >> because it doesn't seem real to me, but those who do use it such as Wolfgang
>> >> demand respect, they are all ***y good drivers, jeess....

>> >I think he may have a point - I'd like to know which of the top drivers
>> >is using the F10 view, in the same way that their hotlaps are marked to
>> >show who's using a wheel and who's using a joystick.

>> Should we make a FAQ about which view every hotlapper uses and post it
>> here every week?  :)

>OK Greger - out with it - which view do you use?  ;-)

>It would reassure me greatly if Wolfie was the exception rather than the
>rule!

> >> >> Do I detect some sour grapes here, just cos you can't go as fast? The tracks
> >> >> still have the same corners which view you look at it from. I don't like F10
> >> >> because it doesn't seem real to me, but those who do use it such as Wolfgang
> >> >> demand respect, they are all ***y good drivers, jeess....

> >> >I think he may have a point - I'd like to know which of the top drivers
> >> >is using the F10 view, in the same way that their hotlaps are marked to
> >> >show who's using a wheel and who's using a joystick.

> >> Should we make a FAQ about which view every hotlapper uses and post it
> >> here every week?  :)

> >OK Greger - out with it - which view do you use?  ;-)

> >It would reassure me greatly if Wolfie was the exception rather than the
> >rule!

>***pit view for me. As I said before I can't feel the car at all in
> the outside view.

> Silliness.  Nothing one does one this damned machine says anything about so
> vapid a category as "manliness."

> > If you are a man try to go fast without F10

> > Many thanks to all F10 players for kill the hot laps board.

> > Matteo Calestani

>> >Erm, take a look at the world-record hotlap boards at Schubi's site
>> >(http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schubi/championsleague/WM.htm) - you'll notice a
>> >certain Wolfgang Woeger featuring prominently, and he's a self-confessed
>> >F10 user (not only that, but he uses a joystick - argh! ;-) ).

>> Did you know that Wolfgang uses the***pit view when he is racing
>> online? And did you also know that his times then are very close to
>> his hotlap times?  Guess not, ***ing is easier then investigating...

>Hold on there a second!

>I was not complaining - just curious to know whether it was essential to
>use F10 to get fast times, and also whether guys like WW use F10 in
>races as well.

>Guess you answered my question!  ;-)

> >> >Erm, take a look at the world-record hotlap boards at Schubi's site
> >> >(http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schubi/championsleague/WM.htm) - you'll notice a
> >> >certain Wolfgang Woeger featuring prominently, and he's a self-confessed
> >> >F10 user (not only that, but he uses a joystick - argh! ;-) ).

> >> Did you know that Wolfgang uses the***pit view when he is racing
> >> online? And did you also know that his times then are very close to
> >> his hotlap times?  Guess not, ***ing is easier then investigating...

> >Hold on there a second!

> >I was not complaining - just curious to know whether it was essential to
> >use F10 to get fast times, and also whether guys like WW use F10 in
> >races as well.

> >Guess you answered my question!  ;-)

> Ok, I do apologize for that ***ing part. But I still don't like your
> statement that Wolfgang is fast because he is using F10 view.
> I know, you didn't say that is was the case, and that you was
> wondering, but in this NG that equals putting Wolf on the firestake.

>> What are you talking about!?!?!?!

>> You can only drive fastest without F10, like any sims! In any sim you
can't
>> drive fast without being able to feel the car around you and with the arm
>> movements in GPL, you can really know how much to turn pr not to turn
with
>> opposite lock, etc.......

>> F10 is to warm-up and get familiar with the track..... why do you want to
>> get rid of it? So nobody can learn to drive?
>> In my opinion, maybe you'll disagree but you have to use***pit view to
be
>> able to slide the car around enough to get a good lap time in any sim.
But
>> you can't exactly learn a track from looking at it from ground level can
>> you?

>Erm, take a look at the world-record hotlap boards at Schubi's site
>(http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schubi/championsleague/WM.htm) - you'll notice a
>certain Wolfgang Woeger featuring prominently, and he's a self-confessed
>F10 user (not only that, but he uses a joystick - argh! ;-) ).

>If there's an equal mixture of F10-ers and in-car viewers up there, I'd
>be happy to put it down to personal preference, but if they're all using
>F10...

>It would be nice to think that the in-car view actually conferred an
>advantage as well as being more realistic, but the worry is that that is
>not the case.