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Ah...now I see.  Hmmm....Is there a way to 'turn-down' the power
of the 3Dfx card?...uh...'under-clock' it?  Just curious if the
mentioned delima is either CPU or card dependant.

Cheers!

Marc

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  >> means that it is pointless for hotlapping for guys with fast
  >> more respect for...

I will run this past you all again, it does run too fast in ghost mode!

The pc sim clock with hi cpu speed runs faster than real time as do the
cars on the track.

Both the ghost you are chasing and your car are running about 50% faster
than real time, so its like you are driving at 250mph + most of the
time. "Thats great" you may say, but when you come to a complex of
corners and you dont make it cause you cant react at super human speeds
you will realise what i'm saying.

Its just like fast forwarding your video at 1.5x normal speed, time and
the cars go quicker than normal speed by 1.5x so you driving just as
fast as you normally do for a hotlap at that circuit, (lets say 1:19.3**
) will end up with a lap time in the 1:58's. Your ghost meanwhile
finished, got changed went home had his meal and has gone out to
celibrate his victory!! all before you crossed the finish line.  

So, to finish up, a guy with a p166 or p200 has more chance of beating
another with a p2 266 in ghost mode hotlapping because his reaction time
doesnt have to be so quick and a guy with a p2 333 has no chance
whatsoever of beating a good hotlapper using a p200.

This makes a complete farce of any hotlap charts for this sim as the
playing field is no longer level.

undeliverable.

Mike.

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  > He posts evidence, you post garbage. Guess which one I have more

I knew you would see what i was getting at Richard, thanks for the
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Mike.

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   22:10  on  06/08/98
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OK Greg, please read my latest reply.

Mike.

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When you speed up the frame rate in F1RS, you also speed up the timing. In a
way you wouldn't believe. Take a stopwatch and check for yourself: do a lap
at Montreal with all graphics options switched on (max viewing distance,
ideal line, replay etc.). Check the laptime at your stopwatch, then look at
the laptime that F1RS reports in the blue bar on top of the screen. In my
case, the times were practically identical. A reported 1:30 lap actually
took 1:30 in actual time to drive.
Then I switched OFF all those graphics options, to get a better frame rate.
But I got more than that. Not only did the proceedings on the track look
like a Fast Forward replay (Mike's Keystone Cops effect) making it very
difficult to drive, also the timing was speeded up. A lap that took me 1:30
to drive (actual time on the stopwatch) was reported by F1RS as a 2:05 lap!
No matter how great a sim driver you are, you will never be able to beat a
35 second difference in timing. IMHO this turns all hotlap times and
competitions completely meaningless.

It's probably hardware-related. My system is PII 266 with a 75 MHz bus
speed, a Riva 128 and a Voodoo 2 8 Mb. My guess is it's in the bus speed, as
not everyone running a 266/Voodoo 2 seems to experience this ridiculous
effect. I've e-mailed Ubisoft about it, but so far haven't heard anything
from them.

Sensible enough for you?

Bye,
Leo Landman

Try a lap at Montreal with all graphics options switched on. Measure the
actual laptime using a stopwatch, then check what laptime the game reports
in the blue bar on top of the screen. In my case the times were identical,
i.e. a 1:30 lap actual time was reported by F1RS as 1:30 in the blue bar.
Now switch all graphics options OFF. Not only will your next lap feel like
you're in a Fast Forward replay (making it difficult to drive) but also the
timing is speeded up. Let's say you're doing a 1:30 lap again (on the
stopwatch) but F1RS will report is as 2:05. Yes, that's right, two minutes
and five seconds.
Anyway, that's what happened on my system (PII 266, bus speed 75 MHz, Voodoo
2). But it also happens on a P233/Voodoo 1.

No matter how good you are as a sim driver, you can never make up this 35
second difference in timing. So it looks like all F1RS hotlap times and
hotlap competitions are completely meaningless.

Sensible enough for ya?

Bye,
Leo Landman

I can cut the cpu down to p200 speed but that wont help much for
hotlapping comps as i've no idea what everyone else is running, what's
needed is some sort of frame rate/clock timing lock by Ubisoft as a
patch. I'm sure when they developed this sim they had no idea that home
users were going to end up with voodoo2 cards and cpu's that could feed
them quick enough to get to this problem. TOCA runs fine in race or
hotlap mode using 412mhz and v2 so it can be done. Its just Ubisoft
didnt think of it.

Ubisoft contacted me tonight and i have given them all the info i have,
so we will see what happens now.

Mike.

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It's probably hardware-related. My system is PII 266 with a 75 MHz bus

Yes I actually understand it too! Mike gets an atta-boy :-)

Well at least it only affects hotlapping. Which I never do.
Sorry.

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What I meant was to turn the chip on the card down, not the CPU
(I don't know if it'll make a difference).

Cheers!

Marc

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It's even more appropriate for Nascar2 on TEN...

Trips

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On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:36:01 -0500, "Greg Cisko"

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