>>> monaco ? Spa ?
>>Heh, what about a certain quite serious accident at Silverstone?
>I wouldn't call a broken leg a serious injury. There are thousands of
>people who have the same injury who merely call it a slight accident and
>more inconvenient than anything else.
I guess Schumi was very lucky ...
Hena
: I wouldn't call a broken leg a serious injury. There are thousands of
: people who have the same injury who merely call it a slight accident and
: more inconvenient than anything else.
Have you ever had a major break? If you have, then you had a good
experience, and you were lucky. If you haven't, then you don't know what
you are talking about. Long term complications of broken bones are
plentiful. If the break involves on joint, you can count on srthritis in
your later years. If you are an athlete, there is a good chance you will
cut short your career due to the degeneration of the joint. If the
fracture doesn't involve a joint, then there is still a very real chance
of improper healing and re-fracture. If you are incredibly unlucky, like
Ronnie Peterson, then a fairly benign fracture could result in a fat
embolism going off into your circulatory system and stopping your heart.
If the fracture is compound (ie. bone puncturing the skin, as is often the
case with high energy fractures like motor racing and skiing) then there
is damage and scarring to the muscles and tendons that surround the
fracture. The physio related to recovering from a major fracture is not a
"minor inconvenience", nor is the loss of a whole season of motor racing,
skiing, football, rugby etc. in the athlete's already short career.
Been there, done that (fractured tibial plateau, patella, evulsed
ligaments, meniscal tear) and did not consider it trivial, nor did I
appreciate the loss of a rugby season. I also don't like the fact that,
ten years later, my knees lack the range of motion they had pre-injury,
despite a very active lifestyle. It bugged me so much I decided to do my
PhD on fracture healing and soft tissue damage. :)
OK, rant over. Don't underestimate the consequences of any injury to an
athlete.
Stephen
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> > monaco ? Spa ?
> Heh, what about a certain quite serious accident at Silverstone?
> > McKafre De La Rosa
> > >These tracks would never be alowed in say F1 (don't gimme ***about
> > >F1 being boring... I agree, but at least the tracks are pretty safe.)
> Matt
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Gonzalo's accident was tragic and no doubt an extremely odd scenario
unlike other incidents which should have been avoided.
> 1989 GERHARD BERGER was lucky to escape with his life after crashing
> into the concrete retaining wall at Imola.
> 1994...5 years later, that exact unprotected conrete wall claims the
> life of Ayrton Senna.....nothing was changed after Berger's
> accident....had a barrier of tires been erected I strongly believe that
> Senna would still be with us today.
> Gonzalo's accident was tragic and no doubt an extremely odd scenario
> unlike other incidents which should have been avoided.
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Matt
> >Actually Sid Watkins said that Schumi hit his head to the dash at 107mph,
> >enough to kill him. Also, people have died from leg wounds he had. (I have
> >the whole interview if interested)
> >I guess Schumi was very lucky ...
> >Hena
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Gerhard's chief danger was the fire--he was back racing within a month.
Again, not particularly related to an absence of tire barriers.
--David
> 1989 GERHARD BERGER was lucky to escape with his life after crashing
> into the concrete retaining wall at Imola.
> 1994...5 years later, that exact unprotected conrete wall claims the
> life of Ayrton Senna.....nothing was changed after Berger's
> accident....had a barrier of tires been erected I strongly believe that
> Senna would still be with us today.
> Gonzalo's accident was tragic and no doubt an extremely odd scenario
> unlike other incidents which should have been avoided.
Yes, maybe multiple tirewalls like in Eau Rouge (Spa) would have saved
Rodriguez. But afterwards it's always easy to see inappropriate safety
measures, and according to ESPN this was the first fatal accident in a
race weekend since the track opened in 1957...
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>> Is he dead tho? No... was it life threatening? apparently not. Thus
>> it's not a serious accident compared to those suffered by other
>> drivers.
>> M
>Well....we're moving into the "what if" scenario here. What if
>Krosnoff's head hadn't hit anything. He might have survived. Andretti,
>Fittipaldi, Mansell..they could all have died at some point. When it
>comes to track security, nothing can protect you 100%. Just look at
>Mika; had his Adelaide shunt happened just a few years earlier, he would
>never have had the chance to make that incredible comeback....
>I'd consider any accident that puts one in hospital for a longer period
>of time serious. Wasn't Ernie Irvan's Michigan accident serious? How
>about Karl Wendlinger?
>Just because they survived? This is a very fine line we're balancing on!
There is a tendancy for fans to spend too long debating what if rather
than what happened. My point was that Schumachers accident wasn't what
I'd call serious as there was no real threat to his life if we look at it
now. At the time I was as worried as anyone else but we have the benefit
of all the evidence now and he was virtually unscathed compared to what
would have happened 10 years ago.
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SCHUMACHER ACCIDENT FINDINGS EMERGE
Reports and findings surfacing from research over Michael Schumacher's
accident at the British Grand Prix have suggested the German could have been
killed by the impact.
F1 medical supremo Sid Watkins has revealed that the accident, which broke
Schumacher's right leg in two places, was severe enough to kill him. Watkins
was one of the first on the scene to attend to the double world champion
after he was removed from the***pit.
'When we saw him we understood exactly that he had a broken leg because it
was unnaturally deformed,' said Watkins. 'We were happier when we saw the
skin with no wounds.'
'He was suffering.
'Michael crashed his head against the***pit in a frontal way at 90 degrees
at 107 km/h. Enough to kill. His head hurtled with extreme *** but we
experimented on his head that our rules on safety were good because the
helmet was broken but the man was safe.
'We kept his 'head-keeper' (deformable foam type structure behind the driver
's head) because we'll study and experiment on it. In this way his accident
will be important for F1 and motorsport.
'We will have the results in late spring.'
As well as Watkins' accounts and discoveries, Italian photographer Alberto
Crippa, who was working at Stowe corner on July 12 when the accident
occurred, has also revealed his dramatic account of events.
'It was a terrible view,' said Crippa, who was standing just metres away
from the crash scene. 'I saw the car pointing straight to the borders of the
track in the middle of a cloud of blue smoke.
'Then, the crash was sudden, terrible, and loud. (The) first thing I
wondered was if he still (had) his legs. The car lost its front part under
the tyres and it was logical to think so. Then the second thought was for
his life.
'That direct and fast shunt gave me the thought he could be dead. I
understood he was alive because I heard him crying through the helmet.
'He was crying loud for the pain, but he was alive.
Amazingly, Crippa can also recall some words Schumacher shouted when he was
trying in vain to emerge from the***pit.
'He took the steering wheel away and tried to put his knees in the front
part of the***pit trying to come out from there. But while the marshalls
were coming running, he was shouting, "The leg! The leg.what a terrible
pain".
'The shouts were very loud so they were quite easy to understand.'
'While the marshalls were taking him away from the***pit Michael was
suffering and shouting again "Be careful be careful".
'But I knew that he was weeping tears of pain.'
Hena
Strange that - I recall an interview with Jacques Villeneuve when he first came
to F1 - cannot recall what exactly he said but he voiced his concern over the
safety at Monaco - this from a man who likes to take a car to the limits!! (and
isn't it wonderful to watch!).
This thread is becoming a bit 'his accident was worse than his accident
because...' - please, let's stop this playground type argument - at the end of
the day drivers WILL die in F1, Cart, Champ, Rally, whatever - and continue to
do so. Some accidents will be freaks - Senna, some just unforeseeable. Perhaps
this is why the sport is loved. At the end of the day, most alternative Sundays
people can sit and watch some of the greatest drivers in the world risk their
all for a trophy (and the rest...!)
More will die and more will walk away from tremendous crashes with 'nere a
scratch, but this is what makes people 'do' motorsport and continue to do so.
> >I have a spooky sensation
> >whenever I watch Monaco...I'm just waiting for the one accident where a car
> >climbs into the crowds...
> Strange that - I recall an interview with Jacques Villeneuve when he first came
> to F1 - cannot recall what exactly he said but he voiced his concern over the
> safety at Monaco - this from a man who likes to take a car to the limits!! (and
> isn't it wonderful to watch!).
> This thread is becoming a bit 'his accident was worse than his accident
> because...' - please, let's stop this playground type argument - at the end of
> the day drivers WILL die in F1, Cart, Champ, Rally, whatever - and continue to
> do so. Some accidents will be freaks - Senna, some just unforeseeable. Perhaps
> this is why the sport is loved. At the end of the day, most alternative Sundays
> people can sit and watch some of the greatest drivers in the world risk their
> all for a trophy (and the rest...!)
> More will die and more will walk away from tremendous crashes with 'nere a
> scratch, but this is what makes people 'do' motorsport and continue to do so.
M
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