Has anyone noticed....

That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? dave henrie

Why, yes. Perhaps that fat little baby was right. Interesting news, all in all. Let the rumors commence! SB "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]...

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> That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > dave henrie > >

I thought Steve Smith already confirmed in a previous thread that Dave left. Steve? Jason On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:41:08 GMT, "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Why, yes. Perhaps that fat little baby was right. Interesting news, all in >all. > >Let the rumors commence! > >SB > >"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... >> That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the >> newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? >> >> >> dave henrie >> >> > >

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I don't think Dave is with Papyrus any longer. I think he left a few months ago. -- Scott B. Husted "PA-Scott" ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > dave henrie > >

I think Kaemer now goes by the alias Scawen :-) "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al3t8e$2jd$[email hidden]... > I don't think Dave is with Papyrus any longer. I think he left a fewmonths

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> ago. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > "PA-Scott" > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Dave Kaemmer, who? What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the world, at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. But, he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was just a nasty rumor? And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" online beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" at Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" NASCAR Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got notice of the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to me the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the door....only about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: "NASCAR series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more words: Bye, bye Papy! TP PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy sentiments.......I admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's been bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they stifled creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed way......as in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty regularly a couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR series to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. But it ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will find its way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing sims (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing Legends......many, many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" Or something like that? "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]...

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> That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > dave henrie > >

Not a fat baby; a fat LADY, and yes, she's singing her ass off. "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ped9.147839$[email hidden]... > Why, yes. Perhaps that fat little baby was right. Interesting news, allin

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> all. > > Let the rumors commence! > > SB > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at Papy. John "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of theworld, > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given.But, > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was justa

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> nasty rumor? > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" online > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" at > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" NASCAR > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got notice of > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to me > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the door....only > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: "NASCAR > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more words: > Bye, bye Papy! > > TP > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy sentiments.......I > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's been > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they

stifled > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed way......as > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty regularly a > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCARseries > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. Butit > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will findits

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> way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing sims > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing Legends......many, > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" Or > something like that? > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Ed was overseeing the project. Guys like Randy Cassidy were the brains behind it. -- Brian Tate Communications Officer CART Toyota Atlantic Championship http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at Papy. > > John > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > world, > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > But, > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was just > a > > nasty rumor? > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" online > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" at > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" NASCAR > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got notice of > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to me > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the door....only > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: "NASCAR > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more words: > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > TP > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy sentiments.......I > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's been > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > stifled > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed way......as > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty regularly a > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > series > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. But > it > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will find > its > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing sims > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing Legends......many, > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" Or > > something like that? > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hey Brian....When did you become comm officer at the Atlantic series? Cool.......way to go! TP "Brian Tate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ed was overseeing the project. Guys like Randy Cassidy were the brains > behind it. > > -- > Brian Tate > Communications Officer > CART Toyota Atlantic Championship > http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at

Papy.

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> > > > John > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > world, > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > > But, > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was > just > > a > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > online > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP"

at > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation"NASCAR > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they gotnotice > of > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to > me > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out thedoor....only > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest:"NASCAR

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> > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more > words: > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > TP > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > sentiments.......I > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's > been > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > > stifled > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > way......as > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty

regularly

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> a > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > > series > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. > But > > it > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will

find > > its > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing > sims > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > Legends......many, > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!"Or

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> > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I know......I was just stirring the shit a little bit. I'm hoping the "talent" left at Papy goes to EA.....but I'm not sure what "drawing power" Ed's got over there. In these kinds of situations, the "talent" starts to jump ship when she first starts to take on water. That would be now. So....N2K3...might be a little weaker than we realize. Is Randy even still at Papy? TP "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at Papy. > > John > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > world, > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > But, > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was

just > a > > nasty rumor? > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii"online

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> > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" at > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" NASCAR > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got notice

of > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems tome > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the door....only > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: "NASCAR > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three morewords: > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > TP > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papysentiments.......I > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that'sbeen > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > stifled > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handedway......as > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty regularlya > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > series > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking.But > it > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will find > its > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racingsims > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in RacingLegends......many,

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> > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" Or > > something like that? > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > >

I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely false. - Eric "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of theworld, > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given.But, > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was justa > nasty rumor?

Yeah, Tom seems to think he knows alot about sim racing but truthfully he only has the biggest mouth. He seems to think anything spewed from his mouth is fact, though most of the time it's just hot air. "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al57v0$ku3$[email hidden]...

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> I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely false. > > - Eric > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > world, > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > But, > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was

just > a > > nasty rumor? > >

Which part, Eric? TP "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al57v0$ku3$[email hidden]...

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> I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely false. > > - Eric > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > world, > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > But, > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was

just > a > > nasty rumor? > >

Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. - Eric "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer???

Dave worked extensively on both N4 and NR2002, and was responsible for the conversion of the GPL physics engine for use in the Nascar products. - Eric "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QHqd9.125962$[email hidden]... > Which part, Eric?

Thx for the rumor-squashing Eric, as well as for the good work you guys have done. GL down the road. With maybe a P and a 2 in there somewhere for good measure... ;-) SB "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]...

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> Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > - Eric > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > >

Did the pit notes for Indy Lights and Atlantic in 2000. Spent the past two years doing PR for the Atlantic series. Have been helping out in race control as well this year which is a blast, but the pressure is unreal. I thought getting yelled at online was tough. :> -- Brian Tate Communications Officer CART Toyota Atlantic Championship http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1jod9.195420$aA.39076@sccrnsc02... > Hey Brian....When did you become comm officer at the Atlantic series? > Cool.......way to go! > > TP > > > "Brian Tate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ed was overseeing the project. Guys like Randy Cassidy were the brains > > behind it. > > > > -- > > Brian Tate > > Communications Officer > > CART Toyota Atlantic Championship > > http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at > Papy. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > > world, > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > > > But, > > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was > > just > > > a > > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > > online > > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" > at > > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" > NASCAR > > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got > notice > > of > > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to > > me > > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the > door....only > > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: > "NASCAR > > > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more > > words: > > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > > sentiments.......I > > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's > > been > > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > > > stifled > > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > > way......as > > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty > regularly > > a > > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > > > series > > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. > > But > > > it > > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will > find > > > its > > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing > > sims > > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > > Legends......many, > > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" > Or > > > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Eric, may we ask whether Papy will keep creating sims for the PC? Achim "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]...

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> Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > - Eric > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > >

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:47:35 -0400, "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. Yay. Thanks for the confirmation Eric, and good luck to you guys with your new projects. It must be nice to have those 2489572345 Nascar sims behind you. =) Jason ----- GPLRank 24.50 N2002Rank -12.995

Don't know re Randy. John "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:imod9.195432$aA.38828@sccrnsc02... > I know......I was just stirring the shit a little bit. I'm hoping the > "talent" left at Papy goes to EA.....but I'm not sure what "drawing power" > Ed's got over there. In these kinds of situations, the "talent" starts to > jump ship when she first starts to take on water. That would be now. > So....N2K3...might be a little weaker than we realize. Is Randy evenstill

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> at Papy? > > TP > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at

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> > > > John > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > world, > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > > But, > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was > just > > a > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > online > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP"

at > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation"NASCAR > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they gotnotice > of > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to > me > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out thedoor....only > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest:"NASCAR

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> > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more > words: > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > TP > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > sentiments.......I > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's > been > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > > stifled > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > way......as > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty

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> a > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > > series > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. > But > > it > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will

find > > its > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing > sims > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > Legends......many, > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!"Or

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> > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? Tom, please check the credit sections of your Nascar manuals. Thank you ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]... > Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > - Eric > Glad to hear it. Thanks for the info. dave henrie

But didn't Tom say he wasn't and is that the gospel truth ;) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cnxd9.304504$me6.38408@sccrnsc01...

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> > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]... > > Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > > > - Eric > > > Glad to hear it. Thanks for the info. > dave henrie > >

:) "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:swxd9.57263$[email hidden]...

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> But didn't Tom say he wasn't and is that the gospel truth ;) > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cnxd9.304504$me6.38408@sccrnsc01... > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]... > > > Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > > > > > - Eric > > > > > Glad to hear it. Thanks for the info. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, was Charlie Heath. Where is Charlie now? BTW, the ship started to sink prior to N3. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at Papy. > > John > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > world, > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > But, > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was

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> > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" at > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" NASCAR > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got notice

of > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems tome > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the door....only > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: "NASCAR > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three morewords: > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > TP > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papysentiments.......I > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that'sbeen > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > stifled > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handedway......as > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty regularlya > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > series > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking.But > it > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will find > its > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racingsims > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in RacingLegends......many,

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> > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" Or > > something like that? > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yep. I forgot about Charlie. Been a long time. -- Brian Tate Communications Officer CART Toyota Atlantic Championship http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, was Charlie > Heath. Where is Charlie now? BTW, the ship started to sink prior to N3. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at Papy. > > > > John > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > world, > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > > But, > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was > just > > a > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > online > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" at > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" NASCAR > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got notice > of > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to > me > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the door....only > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: "NASCAR > > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more > words: > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > TP > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > sentiments.......I > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's > been > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > > stifled > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > way......as > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty regularly > a > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > > series > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. > But > > it > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will find > > its > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing > sims > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > Legends......many, > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" Or > > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Good point Bill. "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, was Charlie > Heath. Where is Charlie now? BTW, the ship started to sink prior to N3. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at

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> > > > John > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > world, > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > > But, > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was > just > > a > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > online > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP"

at > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation"NASCAR > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they gotnotice > of > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems to > me > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into Heat > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out thedoor....only > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest:"NASCAR

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> > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more > words: > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > TP > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > sentiments.......I > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think that's > been > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now (they > > stifled > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > way......as > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty

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> a > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the NASCAR > > series > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my liking. > But > > it > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there will

find > > its > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR racing > sims > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > Legends......many, > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!"Or

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> > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Brian Tate wrote: > > Yep. I forgot about Charlie. Been a long time. Your fault he left Brian, but you already knew that...:-) Charlie was cool though, I still remember him being rather "unimpressed" about the MP code in NHeat over on Jake's old NG Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Brian Tate wrote: > > > > Yep. I forgot about Charlie. Been a long time. > > Your fault he left Brian, but you already knew that...:-) > > Charlie was cool though, I still remember him being rather "unimpressed" > about the MP code in NHeat over on Jake's old NG >

Heh, I remember him only being a mid-packer in the old N Legends league I used to run (with a lot of r.a.ssers in it, too..remember CLONE, lads?)

Charlie was awesome, no doubt about it, who cared a great deal about mulitplayer - listened, and communicated very well. Imho, both Sierra and Ten really missed the boat when mulitplayer was at it's peak - they originally had a great vision and plan for mulitplayer racing , and when that partnership lost focus things just weren't the same. Dave Matson and Charlie Heath were a couple I remember well that really wanted to see the mulitplayer thing become huge. And as already has been answered, Dave K played a huge part in the Nascar series, as he really is the core of the physics design. They don't come much better, and I hope Papy /Sierra holds on to him. I think he would love nothing better than to be turned loose on an open wheel sim, as he hinted at in an interview around a year or so ago. It sounds to me like perhaps after N2003 they are going to do just that, or heck he may be already working on one. Don Burnette "Brian Tate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yep. I forgot about Charlie. Been a long time. > > > -- > Brian Tate > Communications Officer > CART Toyota Atlantic Championship > http://www.toyotaatlantic.com http://www.cart.com > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, was

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> > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at > Papy. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > > world, > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a

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> > just > > > a > > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > > online > > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of MP" > at > > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" > NASCAR > > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got > notice > > of > > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. Seems

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> > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the > door....only > > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: > "NASCAR > > > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three more > > words: > > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > > sentiments.......I > > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think

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Maybe I'm overstepping my bounds since I suck at N4 and have no more than 20-30 minutes at a time experience with it; but I submit that N4 is **VASTLY** superior to ANY previous version of Nx. Sure it's got bugs: name ONE piece of software in its price range with its complexity that doesn't. All in all, though, I further submit that given the expense of the game and its enjoyment payback it's WAY worth the money spent on it. Go to a movie - even alone. $7 for the ticket, gas money, munchies and all for - what, 2 1/2 hours? I agree: I've actually spent close to $500 to get N4 to run properly; but some of that money is also helping me in other ways. Now my computer is faster in EVERYTHING. I bought surround sound speakers and card for N99, so that was an expense already. I figure I've spent PENNIES for hours of enjoyment. Bottom line: N4 is still "better" than anything previous. "Better," of course, is relative... but don't forget to take in EVERYthing in its class... Gunner (just trying to stir up thought, not fights...) "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Good point Bill. > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, wasCharlie > > Heath. Where is Charlie now? BTW, the ship started to sink prior toN3.

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> > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at > Papy. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > > world, > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a

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> > sims > > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > > Legends......many, > > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta abierta!" > Or > > > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all

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Agree. I spent $50 on GPL software...and about $5000 (over 3 years) upgrading the hardware (which I've used for a lot of other purposes). For my entertainment dollars, that puts GPL in the same league as "War and Peace" ... and miles ahead of a bodysurfing vacation, say, at Poipu on Kuai. "Don "Gunner" Hancock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Maybe I'm overstepping my bounds since I suck at N4 and have no more than > 20-30 minutes at a time experience with it; but I submit that N4 is > **VASTLY** superior to ANY previous version of Nx. Sure it's got bugs:name > ONE piece of software in its price range with its complexity that doesn't. > All in all, though, I further submit that given the expense of the gameand > its enjoyment payback it's WAY worth the money spent on it. > Go to a movie - even alone. $7 for the ticket, gas money, munchies and all > for - what, 2 1/2 hours? > I agree: I've actually spent close to $500 to get N4 to run properly; but > some of that money is also helping me in other ways. Now my computer is > faster in EVERYTHING. I bought surround sound speakers and card for N99,so

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> that was an expense already. I figure I've spent PENNIES for hours of > enjoyment. > Bottom line: N4 is still "better" than anything previous. "Better," of > course, is relative... but don't forget to take in EVERYthing in its > class... > > Gunner > (just trying to stir up thought, not fights...) > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Good point Bill. > > > > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, was > Charlie > > > Heath. Where is Charlie now? BTW, the ship started to sink prior to > N3. > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at > > Papy. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of

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> to > > > me > > > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into > Heat > > > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the > > door....only > > > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: > > "NASCAR > > > > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three

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> > > words: > > > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > > > sentiments.......I > > > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think > that's > > > been > > > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now

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> > > > stifled > > > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > > > way......as > > > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty > > regularly > > > a > > > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the

NASCAR > > > > series > > > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to myliking. > > > But > > > > it > > > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left therewill

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> > find > > > > its > > > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR > racing > > > sims > > > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > > > Legends......many, > > > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta

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> > Or > > > > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all > the > > > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

So, Pabst said it might have been a nasty rumor, guess it was. S. "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al5h17$oc7$[email hidden]...

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> Dave worked extensively on both N4 and NR2002, and was responsible for the > conversion of the GPL physics engine for use in the Nascar products. > > - Eric > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QHqd9.125962$[email hidden]... > > Which part, Eric? > >

No, he said, "Although, maybe that was just a nasty rumor?" Interesting how "selective" your reading becomes when you want to slam somebody you don't like. Makes you kind of an asshole, in my book. S. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:swxd9.57263$[email hidden]...

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> But didn't Tom say he wasn't and is that the gospel truth ;) > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cnxd9.304504$me6.38408@sccrnsc01... > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]... > > > Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > > > > > - Eric > > > > > Glad to hear it. Thanks for the info. > > dave henrie > > > > > >

No, he said, "Although, maybe that was just a *** rumor?" Interesting how "selective" your reading becomes when you want to slam somebody you don't like. Makes you kind of an ***, in my book. S.

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> But didn't Tom say he wasn't and is that the gospel truth ;) > > > Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > > - Eric > > Glad to hear it. Thanks for the info. > > dave henrie

Well Wayne, I see Pabst creating new track textures for N2002, helping people with their video card problems, helping people with lots of hardware problems.....and I've never seen you post anything in here but "flames" - usually directed at Pabst. "Hot air"....that's all you have. What have you done for others lately that's even in the same league as Pabst? S. "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al5cbp$4ok$[email hidden]... > Yeah, > > Tom seems to think he knows alot about sim racing but truthfully he onlyhas > the biggest mouth. He seems to think anything spewed from his mouth isfact,

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> though most of the time it's just hot air. > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:al57v0$ku3$[email hidden]... > > I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely false. > > > > - Eric > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > world, > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a given. > > But, > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even the > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that was > just > > a > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > >

Well I've waited a few days and no one brought this up so I'll ask. We got a d3d patch for GPL because some jasper at Papyrus wanted to use his nVidia card. Everyone cheered. Isn't there anyone around there who wants to run the 'Ring or Spa in N2002 and is willing to do a little extracurriculr work to make that happen, (e.g. unsupported patch?) Seems simple to me but then again, I'm an idiot. "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:al5gvp$oc6$[email hidden]...

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> Kaemmer is working on the physics for 2003. > > - Eric > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all the > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > >

Well Sammy, I don't need to air my "pats on the back" as others must need to. Lack of self-respect maybe, you would have to ask Tom. If you don't like my "hot air" don't read it. It's up to you Sammy, you're in control of this one. Again, I have no need to brag about my past, present or future, unlike some others. My actions speak for me, not some diluted long winded post stroking me up. When someone posts with such authority and basically spews lies, one needs to call him on it. It's the nature of News Groups. Again, if you don't like it don't read it. "Sammy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k3be9.3011$[email hidden]... > Well Wayne, I see Pabst creating new track textures for N2002, helping > people with their video card problems, helping people with lots ofhardware > problems.....and I've never seen you post anything in here but "flames" - > usually directed at Pabst. "Hot air"....that's all you have. What haveyou

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> done for others lately that's even in the same league as Pabst? > > S. > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:al5cbp$4ok$[email hidden]... > > Yeah, > > > > Tom seems to think he knows alot about sim racing but truthfully he only > has > > the biggest mouth. He seems to think anything spewed from his mouth is > fact, > > though most of the time it's just hot air. > > > > > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:al57v0$ku3$[email hidden]... > > > I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely

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> > > > > > - Eric > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > > world, > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a

given. > > > But, > > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not eventhe > > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe thatwas

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> > just > > > a > > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > > > > > > >

And if we don't like it, we can post a reply to your crap and tell you what a jackass you are, as you said, "It's the nature of News Groups". He DID end his statement with "Although, maybe that was just a nasty rumor?", or maybe you just "dont' read so good". -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Wayne Bradley <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:alij5h$2uf$[email hidden]... > Well Sammy, I don't need to air my "pats on the back" as others must need > to. Lack of self-respect maybe, you would have to ask Tom. If you don't > like my "hot air" don't read it. It's up to you Sammy, you're in control of > this one. Again, I have no need to brag about my past, present or future, > unlike some others. My actions speak for me, not some diluted long winded > post stroking me up. > > When someone posts with such authority and basically spews lies, one needs > to call him on it. It's the nature of News Groups. Again, if you don't > like it don't read it. > > > "Sammy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:k3be9.3011$[email hidden]... > > Well Wayne, I see Pabst creating new track textures for N2002, helping > > people with their video card problems, helping people with lots of > hardware > > problems.....and I've never seen you post anything in here but "flames" - > > usually directed at Pabst. "Hot air"....that's all you have. What have > you > > done for others lately that's even in the same league as Pabst? > > > > S. > > > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:al5cbp$4ok$[email hidden]... > > > Yeah, > > > > > > Tom seems to think he knows alot about sim racing but truthfully he only > > has > > > the biggest mouth. He seems to think anything spewed from his mouth is > > fact, > > > though most of the time it's just hot air. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:al57v0$ku3$[email hidden]... > > > > I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely > false. > > > > > > > > - Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of the > > > > world, > > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a > given. > > > > But, > > > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even > the > > > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that > was > > > just > > > > a > > > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Biz, You better wipe some of Tom off your chin. I never said you couldn't, so go nuts big guy. I hope you feel better now. I am glad that you could join in the fun. Wayne Bradley "Although, maybe that was just a nasty rumor?" I should use that as my sig, then I can basically say any BS I want and be covered. "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%v7f9.20156$[email hidden]... > And if we don't like it, we can post a reply to your crap and tell youwhat a jackass you are, as > you said, "It's the nature of News Groups". He DID end his statement with"Although, maybe that was

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> just a nasty rumor?", or maybe you just "dont' read so good". > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > > Wayne Bradley <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:alij5h$2uf$[email hidden]... > > Well Sammy, I don't need to air my "pats on the back" as others mustneed > > to. Lack of self-respect maybe, you would have to ask Tom. If you don't > > like my "hot air" don't read it. It's up to you Sammy, you're in controlof > > this one. Again, I have no need to brag about my past, present orfuture, > > unlike some others. My actions speak for me, not some diluted longwinded > > post stroking me up. > > > > When someone posts with such authority and basically spews lies, oneneeds

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> > to call him on it. It's the nature of News Groups. Again, if you don't > > like it don't read it. > > > > > > "Sammy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:k3be9.3011$[email hidden]... > > > Well Wayne, I see Pabst creating new track textures for N2002, helping > > > people with their video card problems, helping people with lots of > > hardware > > > problems.....and I've never seen you post anything in here but

"flames" - > > > usually directed at Pabst. "Hot air"....that's all you have. Whathave

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> > you > > > done for others lately that's even in the same league as Pabst? > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > "Wayne Bradley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:al5cbp$4ok$[email hidden]... > > > > Yeah, > > > > > > > > Tom seems to think he knows alot about sim racing but truthfully he

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> > > fact, > > > > though most of the time it's just hot air. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:al57v0$ku3$[email hidden]... > > > > > I don't know where you got that information, but it's completely > > false. > > > > > > > > > > - Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of

the > > > > > world, > > > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a > > given. > > > > > But, > > > > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....noteven > > the > > > > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybethat

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Wait a minute... I thought you worked on the GPL project? ...and they burned you for an extra 15 bucks over what we paid? That's gratitude for ya. -- "Nothing gets closer!" - Crammond mark "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UJ1e9.203137$[email hidden]... > Agree. I spent $50 on GPL software...and about $5000 (over 3 years) > upgrading the hardware (which I've used for a lot of other purposes). For > my entertainment dollars, that puts GPL in the same league as "War and > Peace" ... and miles ahead of a bodysurfing vacation, say, at Poipu on Kuai. > > "Don "Gunner" Hancock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Maybe I'm overstepping my bounds since I suck at N4 and have no more than > > 20-30 minutes at a time experience with it; but I submit that N4 is > > **VASTLY** superior to ANY previous version of Nx. Sure it's got bugs: > name > > ONE piece of software in its price range with its complexity that doesn't. > > All in all, though, I further submit that given the expense of the game > and > > its enjoyment payback it's WAY worth the money spent on it. > > Go to a movie - even alone. $7 for the ticket, gas money, munchies and all > > for - what, 2 1/2 hours? > > I agree: I've actually spent close to $500 to get N4 to run properly; but > > some of that money is also helping me in other ways. Now my computer is > > faster in EVERYTHING. I bought surround sound speakers and card for N99, > so > > that was an expense already. I figure I've spent PENNIES for hours of > > enjoyment. > > Bottom line: N4 is still "better" than anything previous. "Better," of > > course, is relative... but don't forget to take in EVERYthing in its > > class... > > > > Gunner > > (just trying to stir up thought, not fights...) > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Good point Bill. > > > > > > > > > "Bill Bollinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Randy? The guy who put multiplayer on the map for Papy IMHO, was > > Charlie > > > > Heath. Where is Charlie now? BTW, the ship started to sink prior to > > N3. > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Not sure Tom, but I think Randy Cassidy is the multiplay genuis at > > > Papy. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:RBid9.117905$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Dave Kaemmer, who? > > > > > > > > > > > > What did he do for the Papy NASCAR series? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave gets "major-league" kudos from me (and probably the rest of > the > > > > > world, > > > > > > at least he deserves to) on his GPL genre'........that's just a > > given. > > > > > But, > > > > > > he didn't do anything for the NASCAR series at Papyrus....not even > > the > > > > > > conversion of the GPL physics engine to N4. Although, maybe that > > was > > > > just > > > > > a > > > > > > nasty rumor? > > > > > > > > > > > > And, by the way.....wasn't Ed Martin around when the Papy "Hawaii" > > > > online > > > > > > beta was running/developing? Isn't he considered the "father of > MP" > > > at > > > > > > Papyrus? Isn't he also, now at EA doing the pc "full simulation" > > > NASCAR > > > > > > Thunder -2003? Or, is that a different guy? > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when someone surely says, "Yeah....but look what Ed did with > > > > > > Heat.....it had crappy mp too!" > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I will say, "Heat was short changed by Hasbro when they got > > > notice > > > > of > > > > > > the impending sale......just ask the guys at MGI about that. > Seems > > to > > > > me > > > > > > the mp in Viper Racing was dang good, no? But it never got into > > Heat > > > > > > because Hasbro shut the project down and banged it out the > > > door....only > > > > > > about 80% finished, remember?" Is Rich Garcia still at MGI? > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought one word in the Sierra press release was of interest: > > > "NASCAR > > > > > > series finale" - yep, I know that's three words. Here's three > more > > > > words: > > > > > > Bye, bye Papy! > > > > > > > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Before some of you start flaming me for anti-papy > > > > sentiments.......I > > > > > > admit I don't like the corporate culture at Papyrus....I think > > that's > > > > been > > > > > > bad for the sim community, in general...for too many years now > (they > > > > > stifled > > > > > > creativity in the user group....or tried to in a heavy-handed > > > > way......as > > > > > > in, Havas legal was "dialing for dollars" to my phones pretty > > > regularly > > > > a > > > > > > couple years ago). But, I'd like to see them cut free of the > NASCAR > > > > > series > > > > > > to do a more creative racing sim. Even GPL-2 would be to my > liking. > > > > But > > > > > it > > > > > > ain't going to happen. Hopefully, the talent still left there > will > > > find > > > > > its > > > > > > way over to EA (ISI) and we can keep on going with cool NASCAR > > racing > > > > sims > > > > > > (with good mp, too). Let's hope "GPL lives" in Racing > > > > Legends......many, > > > > > > many more eons! Okay, Chris and Tony....."La puerta esta > abierta!" > > > Or > > > > > > something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:czdd9.112921$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > That in all the press releases, all the sysop statements, all > > the > > > > > > > newsgroup rantings...not a single MENTION of Dave Kaemmer??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >