RL Will Be Completed No Matter What

QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far and we are certainly not about to give up now. www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d797488b9 eb39ffedd I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep on keepin on Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. - Dave Cook

Agreed.. I know I've only been here for about a year now and I don't know the history RAS seems to have with these West guys. But I gotta say, all the negativity on this board towards RL would really suck if I was in their position. I mean, they are trying to make a game for us, it'd just be really discouraging reading on RAS people telling newbies how the game is "never going to come out" and all that. Regardless of history, these guys are making a racing game! How cool is that??? I'd LOVE to be in their position, and I'd do my best to please people on RAS who are so serious about racing sims. I'd feel so bad reading some of the remarks every day that I'd almost want to give up, y'know? Who knows, with the support from some of the amazing drivers and intelligent people in here, who knows what this game could be like? A new racing sim is cool with me. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%ERh9.1449$[email hidden]... > QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) > Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far andwe > are certainly not about to give up now. > >www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d7974 88b9 > eb39ffedd > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep onkeepin on > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > - Dave Cook > >

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> QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) > Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far and we > are certainly not about to give up now. > > www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d797488b9 > eb39ffedd > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep on keepin on > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > - Dave Cook

Would you expect them to say any different? Come on, use your brain. They have gotten so desperate for cash they are selling friggin' teddy bears on their website. Do you actually think that they would say "Well, we really don't think that RL is ever going to be completed either..." They have been issuing empty promises for 3 years. You are going to start believing them now? -- ________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com ________________________

lol I like Type-R's post where he says they should release the beta if they want an influx of funds, even if it is one car. LOL Well gee, that's a great idea, if only there was anything to use as a beta. Pictures don't make a car go round. :-) I cannot believe how gullible so many folks related to this deal are. I think this is some cruel joke on the sim racing community, or just two guys who have bitten off more than they can chew. "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%ERh9.1449$[email hidden]... > QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) > Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far andwe > are certainly not about to give up now. > >www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d7974 88b9 > eb39ffedd > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep onkeepin on > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > - Dave Cook > >

Well I don't know about you, but I bet there is a lot of people like me that have thrown away a bunch of money on crap Racing Sims....I mean Arcade Racing Games. I am willing to gamble on this one to become reality! I want a Bear, A Hat and a Shirt. Oh yeah, put my name down for a pair of the RL racing Slippers too! George Sandman TDRacin� <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NqTh9.8931$[email hidden]... > lol I like Type-R's post where he says they should release the betaif > they want an influx of funds, even if it is one car. LOL Well gee,that's > a great idea, if only there was anything to use as a beta. Picturesdon't > make a car go round. :-) > > I cannot believe how gullible so many folks related to this deal are. I > think this is some cruel joke on the sim racing community, or just twoguys

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> who have bitten off more than they can chew. > > > "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%ERh9.1449$[email hidden]... > > QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) > > Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far

and > we > > are certainly not about to give up now. > > > > >www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d7974

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> 88b9 > > eb39ffedd > > > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep on > keepin on > > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > > > - Dave Cook > > > > > >

The car graphics on the front page are awfully familiar. Hmmm. "> www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d7974 > >

I have noticed a lot of knockers for the West brothers sim as well. OK so maybe things will change in the future and they will fall in a heap, maybe not, but why not at least give them a fair go? The LFS guys have done a pretty good job IMHO. The only diffences between them and the Wests are the following: 1. Scawen, Eric and Victor, just kept the project quiet until Beta stage, probably because of all the flack that the Westies have copped. 2. The LFS guys have got one more guy than the Wests, but it seems like Victor is taking care of the music and sound, which is probably a more minor role than is required to do the Graphics & Game Code. As The LFS guys stated in the interview, when asked how they can work so quickly with just 3 guys, They are not tied down by the Political overheads associated with a larger Company like Papy for example. When they need to change code, they just change it, they don't have to wait for a week to get approval via meetings with all of the other departments etc. I know one thing for shore, if RL is half of the Sim that the Wests are planing for it to be, then they have got my money. So in conclusion, I am not into Teddy Bears but put me down for a T shirt and a cap. After all, even if they don't make it, (and I very much hope that they do) just think about the T shirts as a talking point at the Pub with the boys over a Bourbon or 2. ........ Where did you get the T shirt from Darf? .....Oh I got that from The West Brothers web Site.....They were a couple of Guys that were creating their own racing Simulator ....and what happened was....Yada Yada Yada :-) There I go talking about Bourban again Jan :-) Darf

"They are not tied down by the Political overheads associated with a larger Company like Papy for example. When they need to change code, they just change it, they don't have to wait for a week to get approval via meetings with all of the other departments etc." Just remember that is a two way street. With no management in place a on project its very easy to go off on tangents or make unneeded changes. When your so close to a project it is easy to have blinders on. Another area of concern on small team development projects is "group think" where in people get into the same mind set and do not question the direction things are headed. I am not saying this will happen on RL but it is a very common problem in software development. There is a lot more to software development than a couple guys sitting writing code all day. As for the concept of the online store that isn't a bad idea and a good way to raise some small funds, however I cannot imagine making enough on these items (even if they make $5 a piece profit) to fund the development. It needs to be seen as a means of promotion and nothing more. If this is truly only a 2 man team who will be fulfilling orders for the store, handling shipping, getting products made, not to mention maintaining the website and other day to day activities. Being involved in software development myself and running my own company I can tell you that a lot of time is used up on tasks not directly related to actually producing code. I wish the West the best but again all they have produced to date is marketing material. I think if they can get out even a basic demo it would got a long way in winning over a suspicious group and end a lot of this speculation. "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d88758a$0$18871$[email hidden]...

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> I have noticed a lot of knockers for the West brothers sim as well. > OK so maybe things will change in the future and they will fall in a heap, > maybe not, but why not at least give them a fair go? > The LFS guys have done a pretty good job IMHO. > The only diffences between them and the Wests are the following: > 1. Scawen, Eric and Victor, just kept the project quiet until Beta stage, > probably because of all the flack that the Westies have copped. > 2. The LFS guys have got one more guy than the Wests, but it seems like > Victor is taking care of the music and sound, which is probably a more > minor role than is required to do the Graphics & Game Code. > As The LFS guys stated in the interview, when asked how they can work so > quickly with just 3 guys, They are not tied down by the Political

overheads > associated with a larger Company like Papy for example. When they need to > change code, they just change it, they don't have to wait for a week toget

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> approval via meetings with all of the other departments etc. > I know one thing for shore, if RL is half of the Sim that the Wests are > planing for it to be, then they have got my money. > So in conclusion, I am not into Teddy Bears but put me down for a T shirt > and a cap. > After all, even if they don't make it, (and I very much hope that they do) > just think about the T shirts as a talking point at the Pub with the boys > over a Bourbon or 2. ........ > Where did you get the T shirt from Darf? .....Oh I got that from The West > Brothers web Site.....They were a couple of Guys that were creating their > own racing Simulator ....and what happened was....Yada Yada Yada :-) > > There I go talking about Bourban again Jan :-) > > Darf > > >

>I think if they can get out even a basic demo it would > got a long way in winning over a suspicious group Not even a full retail CD waved in their faces would convince some people that it's not an elaborate hoax. Some people are worse than Apollo conspiracy theorists round here. Doug

Why would they even have to state this? The fact that they even say this is worrysome enough! -Larry "Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%ERh9.1449$[email hidden]... > QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) > Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far andwe > are certainly not about to give up now. > >www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d7974 88b9 > eb39ffedd > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep onkeepin on > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > - Dave Cook > >

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> > >I think if they can get out even a basic demo it would > > got a long way in winning over a suspicious group > > Not even a full retail CD waved in their faces would convince some people > that it's not an elaborate hoax. Some people are worse than Apollo > conspiracy theorists round here. > > Doug >

That's because they won't be using a FULL cd, but one of those credit card sized thingmajobs. If there are shadows in two directions, what does that say about bouncing around on the moon? :) dave henrie

Do you think that they really did Land on the Moon? Just asking :-) Darf "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:am9vkk$41tjg$[email hidden]...

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> Not even a full retail CD waved in their faces would convince some people > that it's not an elaborate hoax. Some people are worse than Apollo > conspiracy theorists round here. > > Doug > >

I know, the light from the sun, bounced off the Lunar Module, causing a shadow from one direction, and the direct sun light caused the shadow from the other direction? Sorry ...I had better go and have another Bourbon, Hey Jan ? :-) Darf "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4n%h9.316364$[email hidden]... > If there are shadows in two directions, what does that say about bouncing > around on the moon? :) > dave henrie > >

> Not even a full retail CD waved in their faces would convince some people > that it's not an elaborate hoax. Some people are realists, after all these years we have not seen a thing and we won't . I hope I'm wrong I would love to see this project materailize, but we have been down this road before and it feels to familar. The Wests are putting the cart before the horse, with pricing and promotion stuff and not even having produced a sim yet. Its just plain BS pure and simple. Lets see a Demo! Surly they have had enough time (years) to have some basic gound work completed on somthing real. Now go buy a teddy bear. :)

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> > > > > > > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep on > keepin on > > > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > > > > > - Dave Cook > > > > Would you expect them to say any different? Come on, use your brain. > > They have gotten so desperate for cash they are selling friggin' teddy > > bears on their website. >

The onlineshop is there because ppl asked for it. > > >Do you actually think that they would say "Well, > > we really don't think that RL is ever going to be completed either..." > > > > They have been issuing empty promises for 3 years. You are going to > > start believing them now? The wests never issued any promises about wsc or rl except they wanted to finish the stated projects. The silly rumours and expextations have ALL come from idiots in the sim racing community. Many of the stupid ppl in here and on rsc/highgear and in vroc created all the various rumours...not the wests themselves dan

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> > > > > > -- > > ________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > ________________________ > > > > > >

What rumors would they be? I'd be curious to hear about rumors that got started, and have come up false. So what you are saying is, instead of focusing their efforts on RL, they are going to start up a makeshift storfront and sell stuff for vaporware? Well, I'll give em credit on that, I don't think any company has sold merchandise for something that isn't even close to being a reality. But onto my point, they've spent years producing this thing, yet they have not one thing to show for it (pictures do no count). Now they are going to start another venture of operating a retail store selling knick-knacks, making pennies on the dollars. The reason they said what they said, is because the WB supporters are getting worried, and need a little pasification from them to make em feel better. "Dan Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ama247$430hh$[email hidden]... > > "Dan_Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:... > > > > > > > > > > > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keepon

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> > keepin on > > > > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > > > > > > > - Dave Cook > > > > > > Would you expect them to say any different? Come on, use your brain. > > > They have gotten so desperate for cash they are selling friggin' teddy > > > bears on their website. > > > The onlineshop is there because ppl asked for it. > > > > >Do you actually think that they would say "Well, > > > we really don't think that RL is ever going to be completed either..." > > > > > > They have been issuing empty promises for 3 years. You are going to > > > start believing them now? > The wests never issued any promises about wsc or rl except they wanted

to > finish the stated projects. The silly rumours and expextations have ALL > come > from idiots in the sim racing community. Many of the stupid ppl in hereand > on rsc/highgear and in vroc created all the various rumours...not thewests

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> themselves > dan > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ________________________ > > > Todd Walker > > > http://twalker.d2g.��Ei > > > ________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LOL Yeah Doug, shame the CD they'd be waving wasn't even their's! Get a grip dude. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:am9vkk$41tjg$[email hidden]...

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> > >I think if they can get out even a basic demo it would > > got a long way in winning over a suspicious group > > Not even a full retail CD waved in their faces would convince some people > that it's not an elaborate hoax. Some people are worse than Apollo > conspiracy theorists round here. > > Doug > >

Absolute agreement here Jon T, you said it! and friggin' TEDDY BEARS ??!! For the love of sweet Jesus in heaven, what the HELL possessed those two to put up TEDDY BEARS ??!! Caps, tee-shirts, that wouldn't have been such a big deal. But TEDDY BEARS ??!! I mean c'mon, what the fuck? Didn't even have time to get my jaw off the floor before I started reading posts here and at the RL forums saying "Oh, sure, I'll buy one... anything to help usher Racing Legends along....". I absolutely cannot believe they are that out of touch with their market. I haven't owned or wanted a fucking TEDDY BEAR since I was five goddammed years old, and I am not about to get conned into buying one now. I may have made an occasional wisecrack about the hardcore Westie's every now and then, but I'll admit I hoped something would come of it the sim. Now I am not sure I would want something from minds as depraved as this to ever be released upon the public. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO OWN A TEDDY BEAR. PERIOD. YOU SHOULD NOT MARKET TEDDY BEARS TO THEM. Will this teddy bear come complete with his own little personal ID in a little leather case ? Or will that cost extra ? How bout a little set of rubber teddy lips so teddy can blow me ? Can I ask that here, or should I ask in rec.collecting.teddy-bears ? I would say "Boycott Racing Legends!!", but it appears that would be a moot point. I would say "Boycott Racing Legends Teddy Bears!!", but only the most idiotic of fools would buy one in the first place, and besides, they never listen. "Jon T" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Some people are realists, after all these years we have not seen a thingand

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> we won't . I hope > I'm wrong I would love to see this project materailize, but we have been > down this road before > and it feels to familar. The Wests are putting the cart before the horse, > with pricing and promotion > stuff and not even having produced a sim yet. Its just plain BS pure and > simple. Lets see a Demo! > Surly they have had enough time (years) to have some basic gound work > completed on somthing real. > Now go buy a teddy bear. :) > > >

"Darf" <[email hidden]> writes: [snip] > As The LFS guys stated in the interview, when asked how they can work so > quickly with just 3 guys, They are not tied down by the Political overheads > associated with a larger Company like Papy for example. When they need to > change code, they just change it, they don't have to wait for a week to get > approval via meetings with all of the other departments etc. You need to get way above 3 developers for the administrative overhead to be an unavoidable problem, so I wouldn't agree this is an advantage for a 3 developer company compared to a properly managed company with dozens of developers. Waiting weeks to get approvals sounds more like a company with hundreds of developers doing probjects with strict requirements on release schedules, testing, documentation etc. _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]

ROFL "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2q0i9.70801$[email hidden]... > Absolute agreement here Jon T, you said it! > > and friggin' TEDDY BEARS ??!! For the love of sweet Jesus in heaven, what > the HELL possessed those two to put up TEDDY BEARS ??!! Caps, tee-shirts, > that wouldn't have been such a big deal. But TEDDY BEARS ??!! I meanc'mon,

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> what the fuck? > > Didn't even have time to get my jaw off the floor before I started reading > posts here and at the RL forums saying "Oh, sure, I'll buy one... anything > to help usher Racing Legends along....". > > I absolutely cannot believe they are that out of touch with their market.

I > haven't owned or wanted a fucking TEDDY BEAR since I was five goddammed > years old, and I am not about to get conned into buying one now. I mayhave > made an occasional wisecrack about the hardcore Westie's every now andthen, > but I'll admit I hoped something would come of it the sim. Now I am notsure

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> I would want something from minds as depraved as this to ever be released > upon the public. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO OWN A TEDDY BEAR. > PERIOD. YOU SHOULD NOT MARKET TEDDY BEARS TO THEM. > > Will this teddy bear come complete with his own little personal ID in a > little leather case ? Or will that cost extra ? How bout a little set of > rubber teddy lips so teddy can blow me ? Can I ask that here, or should I > ask in rec.collecting.teddy-bears ? > > I would say "Boycott Racing Legends!!", but it appears that would be a

moot > point. I would say "Boycott Racing Legends Teddy Bears!!", but only themost

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> idiotic of fools would buy one in the first place, and besides, they never > listen. > > > "Jon T" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Some people are realists, after all these years we have not seen a thing > and > > we won't . I hope > > I'm wrong I would love to see this project materailize, but we have been > > down this road before > > and it feels to familar. The Wests are putting the cart before the

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> > with pricing and promotion > > stuff and not even having produced a sim yet. Its just plain BS pure and > > simple. Lets see a Demo! > > Surly they have had enough time (years) to have some basic gound work > > completed on somthing real. > > Now go buy a teddy bear. :) > > > > > > > > >

Can I interest you in a nice hat or a T shirt then? :-) Darf "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2q0i9.70801$[email hidden]...

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> upon the public. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO OWN A TEDDY BEAR. > PERIOD. YOU SHOULD NOT MARKET TEDDY BEARS TO THEM. > > Will this teddy bear come complete with his own little personal ID in a > little leather case ? Or will that cost extra ? How bout a little set of > rubber teddy lips so teddy can blow me ? Can I ask that here, or should I > ask in rec.collecting.teddy-bears ?

All I am saying is that the LFS guys have done a pretty good job of the Beta that they have released, and they only have 3 guys. Some guys posts that it doesn't work on his wheel, or that it would be good to be able to kick wreckers from the server, and a few days later.....BANG....fixed with a patch. So why would it be so unlikely that the Wests will ever get at least to Beta stage using only 2 guys? Darf "Mats Lofkvist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You need to get way above 3 developers for the administrative overhead > to be an unavoidable problem, so I wouldn't agree this is an advantage > for a 3 developer company compared to a properly managed company with > dozens of developers.

Well, I *could* use a new smoking jacket.... "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d889cd4$0$18871$[email hidden]... > Can I interest you in a nice hat or a T shirt then? > :-) > > Darf

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> IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO OWN A TEDDY BEAR. > PERIOD. YOU SHOULD NOT MARKET TEDDY BEARS TO THEM. > > Will this teddy bear come complete with his own little personal ID in a > little leather case ? Or will that cost extra ? How bout a little set of > rubber teddy lips so teddy can blow me ? Can I ask that here, or should I > ask in rec.collecting.teddy-bears ? > > I would say "Boycott Racing Legends!!", but it appears that would be a

moot > point. I would say "Boycott Racing Legends Teddy Bears!!", but only themost > idiotic of fools would buy one in the first place, and besides, they never > listen. > LOL.. Top marks for that post.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:04:39 -0400, jon wrote: > I absolutely cannot believe they are that out of touch with their market. I > haven't owned or wanted a fucking TEDDY BEAR since I was five goddammed > years old, and I am not about to get conned into buying one now. I may have Aah, you haven't met sweet Tux yet in his plush incarnation. I have one and stroke it daily... Well, almost daily, and he's looking out of my window at passers-by right now. It's good to preserve a bit of the child in oneself, you know. I like the teddy, but I think I'll jump for a cap and buy the teddy later ;-) uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> The wests never issued any promises about wsc or rl except they wanted to > finish the stated projects. The silly rumours and expextations have ALL > come > from idiots in the sim racing community. Many of the stupid ppl in here and > on rsc/highgear and in vroc created all the various rumours...not the wests > themselves > dan >

So the Wests never promised a release date for WSC? Or a demo? Why are you defending these guys who have been "working" on something for 3 years and haven't got ANYTHING to show for it? -- ________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com ________________________

"Dave Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%ERh9.1449$[email hidden]... > QUOTE (West Racing @ Sep 18 2002, 01:23 AM) > Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far andwe > are certainly not about to give up now. > >www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f65d7974 88b9 > eb39ffedd > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep onkeepin on > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in. > > - Dave Cook > > It may get finished, but I have to say that the Microsoft-licensing-per-piece-upgrade scheme they have will bankrupt them if they open for business. People bitch about $50 a year for the current stream of sims, and I don't see a sim being priced more, costing for addons is going to make it any easier on them. The masses complain that the current sims aren't open source and can't be added to by the public. Trying to actually sell add-ons will not work for racing sims (track convertors aside, although it is much cheaper than the things slated for RL IIRC). They are pricing this like it is a global corporate must-have software package (Cytrix & SQLServer come to mind) and in reality, they'll be lucky to sell 500 copies. If it materializes, they'll never generate enough revenue to support it *properly*. Foveon had an idea like this a few years ago with some imaging hardware (Silicon Film) and it has seen as much of light of day as RL will I'm afraid.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:30:43 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Agreed.. I know I've only been here for about a year now and I don't know >the history RAS seems to have with these West guys. > >But I gotta say, all the negativity on this board towards RL would really >suck if I was in their position. I mean, they are trying to make a game for >us, it'd just be really discouraging reading on RAS people telling newbies >how the game is "never going to come out" and all that.

Mike, The problem is that the West's have been yapping for years now and haven't shown one piece of working code. All talk about revised physics, etc, etc. They have shown some beautiful renderings of cars and some on track screen shots but that's it. I find the whole thing laughable now. Teddy bears for sale??? Jesus. They are approaching Duke Nukem Forever status. I will buy the sim if it ever sees the light of day but I won't fund something that hasn't even shown an alpha code base to exist. The Live for Speed folks have done the right thing IMHO. Low profile, no BS and then produce an alpha test product for the WORLD to see. Now those guys are doing something. Until then, GPL.

> The Live for Speed folks have done the right thing IMHO. Low profile, > no BS and then produce an alpha test product for the WORLD to see. Now > those guys are doing something. Amen to that ! They are showing the West Bros how it should be done. Live for Speed, great job, great potential and an excellent demo show casing things to come.

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> Agreed.. I know I've only been here for about a year now and I don't know > the history RAS seems to have with these West guys. > > But I gotta say, all the negativity on this board towards RL would really > suck if I was in their position. I mean, they are trying to make a game for > us, it'd just be really discouraging reading on RAS people telling newbies > how the game is "never going to come out" and all that. > > Regardless of history, these guys are making a racing game! How cool is > that??? I'd LOVE to be in their position, and I'd do my best to please > people on RAS who are so serious about racing sims. I'd feel so bad reading > some of the remarks every day that I'd almost want to give up, y'know?

You overestimate the importance of this ng. First, there is never a general consensus about anything (GP4 sales vs. ng verdict). Second, if they only sell to the guys from ras, they'd need a lot of teddy bear sales to make a buck... l8er ronny

>"Jeffrey Haas" <[email hidden]> wrote > They are approaching Duke Nukem Forever status. Nah, I think it's DNF that is approaching a West Bros. status ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > You overestimate the importance of this ng. First, there is never a > general consensus about anything (GP4 sales vs. ng verdict). Well people still go see Adam Sandler crap movies, that doesn't make them better then a gem that made 15 million dollars at the B.O. GP4 sold (at a much lesser rate then any previous Crammond title) but it had negative press and is a shame and one of the worst product ever in it's gaming era. > Second, if > they only sell to the guys from ras, they'd need a lot of teddy bear > sales to make a buck... The question is, do the teddy bears come with slots for E-cards??? <G> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Why is it that when you don't really care too much about the release of certain software, it is released quickly? When you are hanging from a cliff waiting for a software release it takes forever. I have never wanted 2 pieces of software to be released more than Racing Legends and Duke Nukem Forever. Maybe they should rename it Duke Nukem Never :-) Darf "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N26i9.6933$[email hidden]...

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> >"Jeffrey Haas" <[email hidden]> wrote > > They are approaching Duke Nukem Forever status. > > Nah, I think it's DNF that is approaching a West Bros. status ;-D > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

Apparently, they come with a slot, but there is a problem with the initial Batch of Teddies, the e-cards wont swipe :-) Darf "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:S46i9.6935$[email hidden]... > >"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote > The question is, do the teddy bears come with slots for E-cards??? <G>

>"Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why is it that when you don't really care too much about the release of > certain software, it is released quickly? Well, BC3000ad took a long time ;-) > When you are hanging from a cliff waiting for a software release it takes > forever. I have never wanted 2 pieces of software to be released more than > Racing Legends and Duke Nukem Forever. > Maybe they should rename it Duke Nukem Never :-) Duke Nukem : Racing Legends? LOL it kinda goes along with my fantasy of having a first-person shooter in some sort of racing world. Carmageddon pushed to the extreme, but on a racing track! I'm sure EA must have had some plans about such a game for their NASCAR license <G> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <N26i9.6933$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >>"Jeffrey Haas" <[email hidden]> wrote >> They are approaching Duke Nukem Forever status. > >Nah, I think it's DNF that is approaching a West Bros. status ;-D > Hmm...that might be more appropriate than you thought... DNF - DidNotFinish...:-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:38:54 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote somtehing like this: >you defending these guys who have been "working" on something for 3 >years and haven't got ANYTHING to show for it? Umm... I thought they left all of the WSC code behind, and started from scratch with RL? So they haven't really worked on RL for 3 years... BTW, LFS team worked on LFS for over a year before publishing the demo. I'd like to see RL finished, but when looking at the West website... well, seems like they'll have their hands full if they're gonna include all those features... -- - Igor -

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> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:30:43 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Agreed.. I know I've only been here for about a year now and I don't know > >the history RAS seems to have with these West guys. > > > >But I gotta say, all the negativity on this board towards RL would really > >suck if I was in their position. I mean, they are trying to make a game

for > >us, it'd just be really discouraging reading on RAS people tellingnewbies

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> >how the game is "never going to come out" and all that. > Mike, > > The problem is that the West's have been yapping for years now and > haven't shown one piece of working code. All talk about revised > physics, etc, etc. They have shown some beautiful renderings of cars > and some on track screen shots but that's it. I find the whole thing > laughable now. Teddy bears for sale??? Jesus. They are approaching > Duke Nukem Forever status. I will buy the sim if it ever sees the > light of day but I won't fund something that hasn't even shown an > alpha code base to exist. > > The Live for Speed folks have done the right thing IMHO. Low profile, > no BS and then produce an alpha test product for the WORLD to see. Now > those guys are doing something. > > Until then, GPL.

Yep. And they could have avoided all the, deserved imo, comments if they too had kept a low profile like the LFS folks. So, since they didn't, I don't feel a bit sorry for them. John

No they never promised a release date and never set a date on the demo. And the reason we dont have wsc is cause of empire not the wests ..i know ppl that have driven it and can assure u that altho it was scrapped it was a very quality product. dan "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <ama247$430hh$[email hidden]>, aowk48 > @dsl.pipex.com says... > > The wests never issued any promises about wsc or rl except they wantedto > > finish the stated projects. The silly rumours and expextations have ALL > > come > > from idiots in the sim racing community. Many of the stupid ppl in hereand > > on rsc/highgear and in vroc created all the various rumours...not thewests

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> > themselves > > dan > > > > So the Wests never promised a release date for WSC? Or a demo? Why are > you defending these guys who have been "working" on something for 3 > years and haven't got ANYTHING to show for it? > > -- > ________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > ________________________

> Microsoft-licensing-per-piece-upgrade scheme they have What on EARTH are you talking about? Doug

"Dan Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:amco2m$4s9ib$[email hidden]... > No they never promised a release date and never set a date on the demo.And > the reason we dont have wsc is cause of empire not the wests ..i know ppl > that have driven it and can assure u that altho it was scrapped it was a > very quality product. > dan Dan, I find this comment a bit funny. Blame it on Empire, the big bad profit hungry corporation. History and common sense tells us that a specialized hardcore product (that WSC purported to be) is an unlikely commercial success. Are we to believe Empire misrepresented their intentions to *dumb down* the game for mainstream consumption in order to "trick" the West Bros. to sign on with them as distributor? I certainly have no inside info but common sense would indicate that the West's needed Empire far more than Empire needed the West's. A likely scenario is that the West Bros. desperately needed a distributor with some development $CASH$ to keep WSC alive (after losing their first distributor - I cannot remember the details). I also suspect it was the West Bros. who induced Empire by offering to dumb down the game to make it more marketable. Finally, I suspect that the West's realized they were "selling out" somewhere along the way (by compromising their "vision") and refused to finish the game for Empire thus leading to their split. BTW, I'm rooting for these guys and have been optimistic and favorable towards them until now. I now wish they would stop talking about the game and just get a demo out ASAP. Lot's of flash so far with no substance. The time spent on that website could have been better utilized. I also find the merchandising angle amateurish. If they think selling trinkets will raise enough capital to hire programmers and buy new equipment, I have less faith then ever that RL will see the light of day. This falls well short of investment banking 101 for capital investment ideas. ;0) It seems that they lack a very important quality: business sense. All the programming talent in the world will not overcome that deficiency. -- Joe M. > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <ama247$430hh$[email hidden]>, aowk48 > > @dsl.pipex.com says... > > > The wests never issued any promises about wsc or rl except they wanted > to > > > finish the stated projects. The silly rumours and expextations have ALL > > > come > > > from idiots in the sim racing community. Many of the stupid ppl in here > and > > > on rsc/highgear and in vroc created all the various rumours...not the > wests > > > themselves > > > dan > > > > > > > So the Wests never promised a release date for WSC? Or a demo? Why are > > you defending these guys who have been "working" on something for 3 > > years and haven't got ANYTHING to show for it? > > > > -- > > ________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > ________________________ > >

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> > "TDRacin�" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >LOL Yeah Doug, shame the CD they'd be waving wasn't even their's! Get a > >grip dude. > > "The Sound of Music" soundtrack CD?

"The hills are alive, with the sound of music"......oh, sorry, got a bit carried away there Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Or some rubber Teddy lips! hahahahahaha jon wrote:

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> Well, I *could* use a new smoking jacket.... > > "Darf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3d889cd4$0$18871$[email hidden]... > > Can I interest you in a nice hat or a T shirt then? > > :-) > > > > Darf

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Or some *** Teddy lips! hahahahahaha

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> Well, I *could* use a new smoking jacket.... > > Can I interest you in a nice hat or a T shirt then? > > :-) > > Darf

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 7.01 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

In article <am9vkk$41tjg$[email hidden]>, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: >>I think if they can get out even a basic demo it would >> got a long way in winning over a suspicious group > >Not even a full retail CD waved in their faces would convince some people >that it's not an elaborate hoax. Some people are worse than Apollo >conspiracy theorists round here. How can you say that? Several of the sceptics have said they would believe it when they have the CD... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote >>You overestimate the importance of this ng. First, there is never a >>general consensus about anything (GP4 sales vs. ng verdict). > > > > Well people still go see Adam Sandler crap movies, that doesn't make them > better then a gem that made 15 million dollars at the B.O. GP4 sold (at a > much lesser rate then any previous Crammond title) but it had negative press > and is a shame and one of the worst product ever in it's gaming era.

Woosh! He was afraid that dissing RL on this ng will reduce the number of buyers of RL, regardless of quality. That's nonsense, just as it is nonsense that GP4 lost significant numbers of customers because it is not liked around here (by 7 or 8 guys ;) Anyway, GP4 is the be... oh, we had that exchange already! l8er ronny

Live for Speed: Already have a demo out, that they have continually updated, and that I did not have to pay for to participate in. I have pretty much forgotten about the West's project already. Don Burnette Darf wrote:

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> I have noticed a lot of knockers for the West brothers sim as well. > OK so maybe things will change in the future and they will fall in a > heap, maybe not, but why not at least give them a fair go? > The LFS guys have done a pretty good job IMHO. > The only diffences between them and the Wests are the following: > 1. Scawen, Eric and Victor, just kept the project quiet until Beta > stage, probably because of all the flack that the Westies have > copped. > 2. The LFS guys have got one more guy than the Wests, but it seems > like Victor is taking care of the music and sound, which is probably > a more minor role than is required to do the Graphics & Game Code. > As The LFS guys stated in the interview, when asked how they can work > so quickly with just 3 guys, They are not tied down by the Political > overheads associated with a larger Company like Papy for example. > When they need to change code, they just change it, they don't have > to wait for a week to get approval via meetings with all of the other > departments etc. I know one thing for shore, if RL is half of the Sim > that the Wests are planing for it to be, then they have got my money. > So in conclusion, I am not into Teddy Bears but put me down for a T > shirt and a cap. > After all, even if they don't make it, (and I very much hope that > they do) just think about the T shirts as a talking point at the Pub > with the boys over a Bourbon or 2. ........ > Where did you get the T shirt from Darf? .....Oh I got that from The > West Brothers web Site.....They were a couple of Guys that were > creating their own racing Simulator ....and what happened was....Yada > Yada Yada :-) > > There I go talking about Bourban again Jan :-) > > Darf

> I have noticed a lot of knockers for the West brothers sim as well. So pit babes are in then...

Pit Babes holding RL Teddy Bears :-) Darf "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:viZi9.2807$[email hidden]... > > I have noticed a lot of knockers for the West brothers sim as well. > > So pit babes are in then... > >