NR2003 Demo Problems

When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the same thing happens. Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; DirectX 8.1. Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo? Thanks! Bert

When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the same thing happens. Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; DirectX 8.1. Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo? Thanks! Bert

The read me states that dx9 is a requirement not just a recommended spec. I. MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ======================= Operating Systems: Windows 98/ME/2000/XP Minimum: Pentium II 450 MHz processor 64 MB of RAM 16 MB Direct3D compatible video card 8X CD-ROM drive DirectX 9.0 or later OpenGL* 1.1 or later "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the > same thing happens. > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it > wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a > previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a > problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. > > My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; > DirectX 8.1. > > Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo? > > Thanks! > Bert > > >

BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote:

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>When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during >the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; >Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the >same thing happens. > >Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it >wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a >previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a >problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. > >My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; >DirectX 8.1. > >Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo?

I'm still using DX 8.1, Ti4200, 30.82 drivers, and the demo runs just fine. I, too, was worried that DX9 would be mandatory, but apparently not. DP

"BRH @attbi.com said: > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed the demo, read??? Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! /rant :-) -- ed_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.

"Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:kq2X9.25361$[email hidden]:

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> The read me states that dx9 is a requirement not just a recommended spec. > > I. MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS > ======================= > > Operating Systems: > Windows 98/ME/2000/XP > > Minimum: > Pentium II 450 MHz processor > 64 MB of RAM > 16 MB Direct3D compatible video card > 8X CD-ROM drive > DirectX 9.0 or later > OpenGL* 1.1 or later > > "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during >> the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; >> Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the >> same thing happens. >> >> Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it >> wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a >> previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a >> problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. >> >> My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; >> DirectX 8.1. >> >> Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo? >> >> Thanks! >> Bert

I have dx 8.1 and it ran just fine. I think it is supposed to work BETTER with dx9 but it should still run with dx8.1. However I have a GF not an ATI Radeon. dave henrie

"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote:

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>"BRH @attbi.com said: > >> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during >> the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > >> Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > >Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed >the demo, read??? > >Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It >even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > >/rant >

No problems here running the demo with DX 8.1. I decided against installing DX 9 unless absolutely necessary since it caused probs in F1 2002 for me. Eric Busch mentioned in an earlier post that N2003 actually only uses 8.1, but 9.0 would be included on the CD. DP

Thank you, Ed -- I saw that pop-up too. After all, I'm not blind. But, according to some of the earlier speculation on this, and judging from some of the other responses to this one, apparently DX9 is not required on all systems after all. ** End of MY rant ** 8-) So <ahem>, is anyone successfully running it on a Radeon 8500LE (or ANY Radeon for that matter), Win 98SE and DX8.1? Thanks! Ed Solheim wrote:

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> "BRH @attbi.com said: > > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed > the demo, read??? > > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > > /rant > > :-) > > -- > ed_ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.

Thank you, Ed -- I saw that pop-up too. After all, I'm not blind. But, according to some of the earlier speculation on this, and judging from some of the other responses to this one, apparently DX9 is not required on all systems after all. ** End of MY rant ** 8-) So <ahem>, is anyone successfully running it on a Radeon 8500LE (or ANY Radeon for that matter), Win 98SE and DX8.1? Thanks!

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> > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed > the demo, read??? > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > /rant > :-) > -- > ed_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.

My problem is "this application failed to start because binkw32.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem. D/L from http://www.statracer.com/statracer/images/setups/SZODNr2003Demo.zip

I am Bert, DX 8.1 and the same card as you ATI 8500, but I am running XP, don't know if that matters and the demo ran just fine. If you want a more civilised response you know where to find me :-) See ya Tues at Spa :-) -- Edward Commissioner Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA) http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm "BRH @attbi.com>" <"bertrh<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thank you, Ed -- I saw that pop-up too. After all, I'm not blind. > > But, according to some of the earlier speculation on this, and judging from > some of the other responses to this one, apparently DX9 is not required on all > systems after all. > > ** End of MY rant ** 8-) > > So <ahem>, is anyone successfully running it on a Radeon 8500LE (or ANY Radeon > for that matter), Win 98SE and DX8.1? > > Thanks! > > > > > Ed Solheim wrote: > > > "BRH @attbi.com said: > > > > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > > > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > > > > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed > > the demo, read??? > > > > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It > > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > > > > /rant > > > > :-) > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC. >

>My problem is "this application failed to start because binkw32.dll was not >found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem. D/L from >http://www.statracer.com/statracer/images/setups/SZODNr2003Demo.zip errrr...nevermind. works anyway. however....after a full 5 minutes of test at tally..turned on speed instead of time...speedometer pegs at 184 but lap times 186.__. if your running 184 tops how can you average 186.+ Oh well

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>>My problem is "this application failed to start because binkw32.dll >>was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem. D/L >>from >>http://www.statracer.com/statracer/images/setups/SZODNr2003Demo.zip > > errrr...nevermind. works anyway. however....after a full 5 minutes of > test at tally..turned on speed instead of time...speedometer pegs at > 184 but lap times 186.__. if your running 184 tops how can you average > 186.+ Oh well >

In the draft you can top 190mph. Were alone in a test session? dave henrie

Thanks to all who responded. I've solved the problem (at least somewhat....) The problem was that I had my RadeonLE overclocked to approx 290mhz. As soon as I lowered it to 275, the video calibration for DirectX (8.1) worked. Once calibrated, I was able to again overclock to 290 and run the demo. I haven't gotten the video calibration to work with OpenGL, though. Come to think of it, the default Mhz for this card is 250, not 275, so I guess that I'll try that tomorrow as it's already getting late. FWIW, with DX8.1 and all graphic defaults, framerates were decent -- around 100 during testing session (Talledega) and around 55-60 during a race (with the default 11 AI cars). I would expect OpenGL to be faster, since that's the case with NR2002 with my system. Thanks again to everyone -- You too, Ed S. 8-) Bert BRH wrote:

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> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the > same thing happens. > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it > wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a > previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a > problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. > > My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; > DirectX 8.1. > > Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo? > > Thanks! > Bert

Thanks to all who responded. I've solved the problem (at least somewhat....) The problem was that I had my RadeonLE overclocked to approx 290mhz. As soon as I lowered it to 275, the video calibration for DirectX (8.1) worked. Once calibrated, I was able to again overclock to 290 and run the demo. I haven't gotten the video calibration to work with OpenGL, though. Come to think of it, the default Mhz for this card is 250, not 275, so I guess that I'll try that tomorrow as it's already getting late. FWIW, with DX8.1 and all graphic defaults, framerates were decent -- around 100 during testing session (Talledega) and around 55-60 during a race (with the default 11 AI cars). I would expect OpenGL to be faster, since that's the case with NR2002 with my system. Thanks again to everyone -- You too, Ed S. 8-) Bert

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> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the > same thing happens. > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it > wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a > previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a > problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo. > My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE; > DirectX 8.1. > Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo? > Thanks! > Bert

Quite easily in fact. Remember that in Nascar the track length is measured at a fixed distance in from the outside wall (I think it's like 6 to 10 feet), but since you spend so much time low in the turns so you end up driving less than the actual measured length. - Eric "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > errrr...nevermind. works anyway. however....after a full 5 minutes oftest at > tally..turned on speed instead of time...speedometer pegs at 184 butlap times > 186.__. if your running 184 tops how can you average 186.+

<in the draft you can top 190mph. Were alone in a test session? dave henrie> Sorry Dave...should have said running alone. >Quite easily in fact. Remember that in Nascar the track length is >measured at a fixed distance in from the outside wall (I think it's like >6 to 10 feet), but since you spend so much time low in the turns so you >end up driving less than the actual measured length. > >- Eric DOH !!! As always..Eric to the rescue, usually to point out the obvious to me :) Now if I could get the notchiness out of this MSFF wheel :( Thanks, Dan

"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:NU2X9.18149$[email hidden]...

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> "BRH @attbi.com said: > > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed > the demo, read??? > > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD!

And what happened when I totally ignored it's request to install M'soft public beta of a Direct X release? Nothing - it work 100% fine without it - and ran at 40 - 70fps no problem. Doug

Anybody having problems with EAX settings? I've found that after playing the demo (3D sounds off) and returning to windows, I get an effect active that isn't shown in my settings and I can't turn it off... Anyone else seen anything similar? Mike "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0ihmb$7i5$[email hidden]...

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> Quite easily in fact. Remember that in Nascar the track length is > measured at a fixed distance in from the outside wall (I think it's like > 6 to 10 feet), but since you spend so much time low in the turns so you > end up driving less than the actual measured length. > > - Eric > > > "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > errrr...nevermind. works anyway. however....after a full 5 minutes of > test at > > tally..turned on speed instead of time...speedometer pegs at 184 but > lap times > > 186.__. if your running 184 tops how can you average 186.+ > >

Doug Ellison wrote:

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> > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:NU2X9.18149$[email hidden]... > > "BRH @attbi.com said: > > > > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > > > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > > > > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed > > the demo, read??? > > > > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It > > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > > And what happened when I totally ignored it's request to install M'soft > public beta of a Direct X release? Nothing - it work 100% fine without > it - and ran at 40 - 70fps no problem.

Running fine under 8.1 for me too on my old GF ultra. Gerry

The N2003 demo that is going around is a leaked media beta demo. There are known issues, bugs, and missing features in the media demo. It seems lots of people think it's the release demo. Just a heads up that it is NOT! The real thing is being worked on as we speak. -- www.sascar.com "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Doug Ellison wrote: > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > news:NU2X9.18149$[email hidden]... > > > "BRH @attbi.com said: > > > > > > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during > > > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > > > > > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > > > > > > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed > > > the demo, read??? > > > > > > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It > > > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > > > > And what happened when I totally ignored it's request to install M'soft > > public beta of a Direct X release? Nothing - it work 100% fine without > > it - and ran at 40 - 70fps no problem. > > Running fine under 8.1 for me too on my old GF ultra. > > Gerry

Wow, I called that one didn't I :) Larry "Rodney Arndt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8rjX9.87778$[email hidden]...

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> The N2003 demo that is going around is a leaked media beta demo. There are > known issues, bugs, and missing > features in the media demo. It seems lots of people think it's the release > demo. Just a heads up that it is NOT! The real thing is being worked on as > we speak. > > -- > www.sascar.com > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Doug Ellison wrote: > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > > news:NU2X9.18149$[email hidden]... > > > > "BRH @attbi.com said: > > > > > > > > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs > during > > > > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1; > > > > > > > > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? > > > > > > > > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you > installed > > > > the demo, read??? > > > > > > > > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! > It > > > > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD! > > > > > > And what happened when I totally ignored it's request to install

M'soft > > > public beta of a Direct X release? Nothing - it work 100% finewithout

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> > > it - and ran at 40 - 70fps no problem. > > > > Running fine under 8.1 for me too on my old GF ultra. > > > > Gerry > >