N2k3 Demo - what do you think then?

As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved apart from graphics. What's everyone else think?

So far I'd say it's a big improvement. Nice look at feel to the graphics, AI is much improved, and cars just feel better, heavier and stick better. Then again I like NASCAR sims but this certainly feels better than NR2002 IMHO. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0jora$q8hqp$[email hidden]... > As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improvedapart > from graphics. > > What's everyone else think? > >

IMO the graphics are a big part of the realism. The sun flare and shadows go along way to giving you that in the cockpit feel. I like the adjustable cockpit view, but I wish it went a little wider. I really like the overlay for the rearview mirror. With the tinted side windows it makes it easier to get a quick feel when someone comes up beside you. I'll reserve judgment on the AI until the full release. I have always thought the AI is better the fewer cars you have and since there is only 11 cars in the demo we will have to wait till the full release for a full field. I'm not sold on the look and feel of the interface yet. I think I like it better, but it could be I was just tired of the old one. However I could do without the moving crap. I also like the Jasper setups. They seem to fit me better than the fast ones. I really wish the games would come with more setups. I'm not the type to spend hours tweaking setups so have a broader range of setups to start with is a big plus. That's my take on it so far. Granted I'm not a fan of pointy car racing on those cow paths they call tracks. Long live tank racing, lol MadDAWG

My impression is most everything has been improved _except_ the graphics ;-) but I think it'll take us a while to recognise and evaluate all the modifications. Achim "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0jora$q8hqp$[email hidden]... > As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improvedapart > from graphics. > > What's everyone else think?

So far I like it. The extra graphics are good but the biggest thing I have noticed is an increased sense of speed. With the demo, it seems that I am screaming around Dega. it's probably the graphics...either way, I love it! "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > IMO the graphics are a big part of the realism. The sun flare and shadowsgo > along way to giving you that in the cockpit feel. I like the adjustable > cockpit view, but I wish it went a little wider. I really like theoverlay > for the rearview mirror. With the tinted side windows it makes it easierto > get a quick feel when someone comes up beside you. I'll reserve judgmenton > the AI until the full release. I have always thought the AI is better the > fewer cars you have and since there is only 11 cars in the demo we willhave > to wait till the full release for a full field. I'm not sold on the lookand > feel of the interface yet. I think I like it better, but it could be I was > just tired of the old one. However I could do without the moving crap. I > also like the Jasper setups. They seem to fit me better than the fastones. > I really wish the games would come with more setups. I'm not the type to > spend hours tweaking setups so have a broader range of setups to startwith

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> is a big plus. > > That's my take on it so far. Granted I'm not a fan of pointy car racing on > those cow paths they call tracks. > > Long live tank racing, lol > > MadDAWG > >

>"Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improvedapart > from graphics. Ah. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Jerry Hunnicutt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VDeX9.79369$1q3.12770@sccrnsc01... > So far I like it. The extra graphics are good but the biggest thing I have > noticed is an increased sense of speed. With the demo, it seems that I am > screaming around Dega. it's probably the graphics...either way, I love it! ! agree. I think it comes fromt the sadows. I turned them off and seemed to lose it. MadDAWG

Certainly a big improvement.. The lighting and shadows are much improved.. The incar viewing distance is a nice addition.. The tracks now model bumps which cause the cars the dance around more.. Makes Tally more interesting to drive now.. The AI seem more responsive and concious about whats going on the track.. There is a lot of tweaking that has gone on.. IMHO unless you spent some time in NASCAR 2002 u might not see a huge difference... The Pitcew options are nice.. seeing those pitsigns on pitroad waving just adds to the immersion factor.. Dirt accumulation on the windshield very nice.. Also outside objects casting shadows inside the car is very nice... Love the lense flares.... The adaptive AI will certainly help make Tally/Daytona more interesting.. I really can't imagine visually this sim looking any better.. Short of photo realism which is some years away how could you complain about the graphics... At this point in the game I don't think u can expect a quantum leap such as going from NASCAR 2 to NASCAR 4, its about the incremental steps, minor tweaking.. Perhaps the Westies or some unknow group will raise the bar such as what DOOM3 is doing in the FPS market. My only wish is that NR2003 was more open, ala ISI F1200x. The potential for NR2003 is huge..Running various cars or hell even a remodeled GPL series , hahha.. With the improved tire and areo modeling in the NR200x series there is your GPL2 just waiting to be exposed... oh well... I'm still loving GTR2002 though, it would be amazing to use this engine and those cars and tracks together.. The sound engine in NR2k3 IMHO is much better then whats currently in the EA F1200x series... On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:23:41 -0000, "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved apart >from graphics. > >What's everyone else think? >

Schooner wrote: > So far I'd say it's a big improvement. Nice look at feel to the graphics, > AI is much improved, and cars just feel better, heavier and stick better. > Then again I like NASCAR sims but this certainly feels better than NR2002 > IMHO. > Are road courses easier to drive, then? I found Sears Point about hopeless, because if I get the car leaning the wrong way at the wrong time. The new Riverside track is easier for an amateur like me-why did NASCAR switch? (while I'm on the topic) John DiFool -- ============================================ And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies ============================================

No road courses in the demo but they aren't hard to drive once you learn them. They are not tracks you can run wide open around. NASCAR switched from Riverside since it god dug up and turned into a parking lot. "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Schooner wrote: > > > So far I'd say it's a big improvement. Nice look at feel to thegraphics, > > AI is much improved, and cars just feel better, heavier and stickbetter. > > Then again I like NASCAR sims but this certainly feels better thanNR2002

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> > IMHO. > > > > Are road courses easier to drive, then? I found Sears Point about > hopeless, because if I get the car leaning the wrong way at the wrong > time. The new Riverside track is easier for an amateur like me-why > did NASCAR switch? (while I'm on the topic) > > John DiFool > > -- > ============================================ > And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies > ============================================ > >

Yup. I drive by it on the way to California Speedway. A fargin' mall now. Milhouse "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6rgX9.243837$[email hidden]... > No road courses in the demo but they aren't hard to drive once you learn > them. They are not tracks you can run wide open around. > NASCAR switched from Riverside since it god dug up and turned into aparking

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> lot. > > "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Schooner wrote: > > > > > So far I'd say it's a big improvement. Nice look at feel to the > graphics, > > > AI is much improved, and cars just feel better, heavier and stick > better. > > > Then again I like NASCAR sims but this certainly feels better than > NR2002 > > > IMHO. > > > > > > > Are road courses easier to drive, then? I found Sears Point about > > hopeless, because if I get the car leaning the wrong way at the wrong > > time. The new Riverside track is easier for an amateur like me-why > > did NASCAR switch? (while I'm on the topic) > > > > John DiFool > > > > -- > > ============================================ > > And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies > > ============================================ > > > > > >

NT2003 seemed to have been ahead of its time then, with its more sticky feel, and more bumpy track :) "Rich8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Certainly a big improvement.. The lighting and shadows are much > improved.. The incar viewing distance is a nice addition.. The tracks > now model bumps which cause the cars the dance around more.. Makes > Tally more interesting to drive now.. The AI seem more responsive and > concious about whats going on the track.. > > There is a lot of tweaking that has gone on.. IMHO unless you spent > some time in NASCAR 2002 u might not see a huge difference... > > The Pitcew options are nice.. seeing those pitsigns on pitroad waving > just adds to the immersion factor.. Dirt accumulation on the > windshield very nice.. Also outside objects casting shadows inside the > car is very nice... Love the lense flares.... > > The adaptive AI will certainly help make Tally/Daytona more > interesting.. I really can't imagine visually this sim looking any > better.. Short of photo realism which is some years away how could you > complain about the graphics... > > At this point in the game I don't think u can expect a quantum leap > such as going from NASCAR 2 to NASCAR 4, its about the incremental > steps, minor tweaking.. > > Perhaps the Westies or some unknow group will raise the bar such as > what DOOM3 is doing in the FPS market. > > > My only wish is that NR2003 was more open, ala ISI F1200x. The > potential for NR2003 is huge..Running various cars or hell even a > remodeled GPL series , hahha.. With the improved tire and areo > modeling in the NR200x series there is your GPL2 just waiting to be > exposed... > > > > oh well... > > > I'm still loving GTR2002 though, it would be amazing to use this > engine and those cars and tracks together.. The sound engine in NR2k3 > IMHO is much better then whats currently in the EA F1200x series... > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:23:41 -0000, "Doug Ellison" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved

apart > >from graphics. > > > >What's everyone else think? > > > >

>"Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> wrote > NT2003 seemed to have been ahead of its time then, with its more sticky > feel, and more bumpy track :) HMmm, no :) It was ahead of it's time into the trash bin. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

.....and cars just feel better, heavier and stick better. I agree with this caller 'bout the car feeling heavier and sticking better. Doesn't feel like your driving on ice anymore which I never thought was realistic. Graphics look excellent on my Radeon 9700 running DX 8.1 Framerate appears to be a little better on my 'puter with all the same stuff turned on Steve P

Yeah, but the handling is the pits :( Larry "Andreas Nystrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UbiX9.7026$[email hidden]...

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> NT2003 seemed to have been ahead of its time then, with its more sticky > feel, and more bumpy track :) > > > "Rich8" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Certainly a big improvement.. The lighting and shadows are much > > improved.. The incar viewing distance is a nice addition.. The tracks > > now model bumps which cause the cars the dance around more.. Makes > > Tally more interesting to drive now.. The AI seem more responsive and > > concious about whats going on the track.. > > > > There is a lot of tweaking that has gone on.. IMHO unless you spent > > some time in NASCAR 2002 u might not see a huge difference... > > > > The Pitcew options are nice.. seeing those pitsigns on pitroad waving > > just adds to the immersion factor.. Dirt accumulation on the > > windshield very nice.. Also outside objects casting shadows inside the > > car is very nice... Love the lense flares.... > > > > The adaptive AI will certainly help make Tally/Daytona more > > interesting.. I really can't imagine visually this sim looking any > > better.. Short of photo realism which is some years away how could you > > complain about the graphics... > > > > At this point in the game I don't think u can expect a quantum leap > > such as going from NASCAR 2 to NASCAR 4, its about the incremental > > steps, minor tweaking.. > > > > Perhaps the Westies or some unknow group will raise the bar such as > > what DOOM3 is doing in the FPS market. > > > > > > My only wish is that NR2003 was more open, ala ISI F1200x. The > > potential for NR2003 is huge..Running various cars or hell even a > > remodeled GPL series , hahha.. With the improved tire and areo > > modeling in the NR200x series there is your GPL2 just waiting to be > > exposed... > > > > > > > > oh well... > > > > > > I'm still loving GTR2002 though, it would be amazing to use this > > engine and those cars and tracks together.. The sound engine in NR2k3 > > IMHO is much better then whats currently in the EA F1200x series... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:23:41 -0000, "Doug Ellison" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved > apart > > >from graphics. > > > > > >What's everyone else think? > > > > > > > > >

Doug Ellison wrote: > > As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved apart > from graphics. > > What's everyone else think? I'll reserve final comments until I get to try it on a road course, I suck at ovals at the best of times, but the little I've tried it I think it's a decent improvement overall, nothing revolutionary as far as I can tell (told you I suck) It's like buying the latest edition of a long running car model where the manufacturer has steadily improved the breed without ruining it's heritage so to speak, yes it's still Papy and yes it's better than the previous one, I'm buying it and run the 2 road courses until the other road courses are ported over....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

The N2003 demo that is going around is a leaked media beta demo. There are known issues, bugs, and missing features in the media demo. It seems lots of people think it's the release demo. Just a heads up that it is NOT! The real thing is being worked on as we speak. -- www.sascar.com "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0jora$q8hqp$[email hidden]... > As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved apart > from graphics. > > What's everyone else think? > >

> That's my take on it so far. Granted I'm not a fan of pointy car racing on > those cow paths they call tracks. > > Long live tank racing, lol "NASCAR is nothing but a bunch of farmers driving around in circles." - Eddie Irvine

"David G Fisher" wrote... > <snip> > > :-) I have to ask you to motivate that smiley, mr. Fisher. <g> Jan. =---

"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0ki9e$q3ia5$[email hidden]... > > That's my take on it so far. Granted I'm not a fan of pointy car racingon > > those cow paths they call tracks. > > > > Long live tank racing, lol > > "NASCAR is nothing but a bunch of farmers driving around in circles." > - Eddie Irvine :-) David G Fisher

I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much just used the stock ones. I took the Jasper setup into NR2002 just to see how it felt. Holy crap it actualy felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Has anyone else tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a set up tech. So anything much more than tweaking gear ratios and tape has been left alone. MadDAWG

It's still fun :) Larry "Rodney Arndt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RpjX9.87777$[email hidden]...

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> The N2003 demo that is going around is a leaked media beta demo. There are > known issues, bugs, and missing > features in the media demo. It seems lots of people think it's the release > demo. Just a heads up that it is NOT! The real thing is being worked on as > we speak. > > -- > www.sascar.com > "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b0jora$q8hqp$[email hidden]... > > As header. I'm not a tank fan anyway - but imho - little has improved > apart > > from graphics. > > > > What's everyone else think? > > > > > >

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> I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much > just used the stock ones. I took the Jasper setup into > NR2002 just to see how it felt. Holy crap it actualy > felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Has > anyone else tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a > set up tech. So anything much more than tweaking gear > ratios and tape has been left alone.

I'm quite the opposite. If I could at all help it, I never used the stock setups much. The Jasper setups (for Talladega and Michigan), with tape adjusted to keep from blowing the engine, delivers me the sort of car I'd be looking for by developing the setup myself. Most impressive. Jan. =---

> I'm quite the opposite. If I could at all help it, I never used the stock > setups much. The Jasper setups (for Talladega and Michigan), with tape > adjusted to keep from blowing the engine, delivers me the sort of car I'dbe > looking for by developing the setup myself. Most impressive. > > Jan. > =--- I like the Jasper ones myself. I don't really like the stock setups either, and I don't worth a shit with them either. Which is probably the biggest reason I don't play NR2002 that much. I have the MOMO wheel and pedals. Now I know the pedals are not the greatest, but they are not that bad. However in NR2002 I basically could hardly touch the brakes without instantly locking the front tires. After trying the Jasper setups in NR2002 I could actually use the brakes! Of course now my fuel mileage will be shot in the ass because I won't be letting off and coasting like I use to. There was major changes between the 03 Jasper setup and the 02 fast setup. The tire psi was about 10lbs higher and the front springs were way softer in the Jasper sets. Hell even if I still suck at 03 I'm hoping that the rest of the Jasper sets will work as good in 02. lol MadDAWG

Who is "Jasper" any way ? Larry "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much just used the stock > ones. I took the Jasper setup into NR2002 just to see how it felt. Holycrap > it actualy felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Has anyoneelse > tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a set up tech. So anything muchmore > than tweaking gear ratios and tape has been left alone. > > MadDAWG > >

Jasper Motorsports, have a car in Cup, and are helping with the game. John "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]...

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> Who is "Jasper" any way ? > > Larry > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much just used the

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> > ones. I took the Jasper setup into NR2002 just to see how it felt. Holy > crap > > it actualy felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Has anyone > else > > tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a set up tech. So anything much > more > > than tweaking gear ratios and tape has been left alone. > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]... > Who is "Jasper" any way ? >Look at car 77 in either 02 or 03. Its the team that supplied reams of data to Papy to get the car physics right. Steve

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> > <snip> > > I like the Jasper ones myself. I don't really like the > stock setups either, and I don't worth a shit with them > either. Which is probably the biggest reason I don't > play NR2002 that much. I have the MOMO wheel and pedals. > Now I know the pedals are not the greatest, but they are > not that bad. However in NR2002 I basically could hardly > touch the brakes without instantly locking the front > tires.

Ditto here... the lock-ups with the NR2002 defaults border on the silly, I agree. I usually started out from the baselines as decribed here... http://www.proshocks.com/rshocks/baseline.htm And the settings I ended up with are fairly similar to the Jasper ones (but I like those even better). Quite a testament to the sim, I think. > After trying the Jasper setups in NR2002 I could actually > use the brakes! Of course now my fuel mileage will be shot > in the ass because I won't be letting off and coasting like > I use to. True, but you can only use the fuel mileage game to get an edge on the AI if you set 'm up to be your speed. In online racing the fuel calculation bit usually goes right out the window. Making the tyres last a fuel run is worthwhile, the other way around I'm not so sure. > There was major changes between the 03 Jasper setup and the > 02 fast setup. The tire psi was about 10lbs higher and the > front springs were way softer in the Jasper sets. Hell even > if I still suck at 03 I'm hoping that the rest of the Jasper > sets will work as good in 02. lol Yeah, the Jasper setups really work well. Trouble is... everyone else has access to them too. <g> Jan. =---

> True, but you can only use the fuel mileage game to get an edge on the AIif > you set 'm up to be your speed. In online racing the fuel calculation bit > usually goes right out the window. Making the tyres last a fuel run is > worthwhile, the other way around I'm not so sure. Hell I couldn't run online. I'd get run over coasting into the corners. hehehehe. The funny part was how hard I could get off the corners compared to the others. I'll check that link out, thanks MadDAWG

Ah, thanks. They do like their setups loose, don't they :) And what's with the tape? Are these to be considered Qual setups, not race setups? Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Jasper Motorsports, have a car in Cup, and are helping with the game. > > John > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]... > > Who is "Jasper" any way ? > > > > Larry > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much just used the > stock > > > ones. I took the Jasper setup into NR2002 just to see how it felt.

Holy > > crap > > > it actualy felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Hasanyone > > else > > > tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a set up tech. So anythingmuch

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> > more > > > than tweaking gear ratios and tape has been left alone. > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > > > > > >

Got it. Thanks! Larry "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e2f16e0$0$27998$[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]... > > Who is "Jasper" any way ? > > > Look at car 77 in either 02 or 03. Its the team that supplied reams ofdata > to Papy to get the car physics right. > Steve > >

It would be interesting to know of EA does any where near this amount of research when designing Thunder. It don't seem like it. We can only hope that when the current license expires, Papy is there to clean up the mess and make things right again. Larry "Steve Whitty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e2f16e0$0$27998$[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]... > > Who is "Jasper" any way ? > > > Look at car 77 in either 02 or 03. Its the team that supplied reams ofdata > to Papy to get the car physics right. > Steve > >

Better fixed racing :) Larry

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> Yeah, the Jasper setups really work well. Trouble is... everyone else has > access to them too. <g> > > Jan. > =--- > >

Don't know, but you're right, they sure seem more like qual setups. John "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0bZX9.5893$[email hidden]... > Ah, thanks. > > They do like their setups loose, don't they :) > > And what's with the tape? Are these to be considered Qual setups, notrace

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> setups? > > Larry > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Jasper Motorsports, have a car in Cup, and are helping with the game. > > > > John > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]... > > > Who is "Jasper" any way ? > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much just used the > > stock > > > > ones. I took the Jasper setup into NR2002 just to see how it felt. > Holy > > > crap > > > > it actualy felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Has > anyone > > > else > > > > tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a set up tech. So anything > much > > > more > > > > than tweaking gear ratios and tape has been left alone. > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Compared to the "fast" setups, I don't like the Jasper setups very much at all. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Don't know, but you're right, they sure seem more like qual setups. > > John > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0bZX9.5893$[email hidden]... > > Ah, thanks. > > > > They do like their setups loose, don't they :) > > > > And what's with the tape? Are these to be considered Qual setups, not > race > > setups? > > > > Larry > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Jasper Motorsports, have a car in Cup, and are helping with the

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> > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]... > > > > Who is "Jasper" any way ? > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > I have never been much of a setup tweaker, pretty much just used

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> > > stock > > > > > ones. I took the Jasper setup into NR2002 just to see how it felt. > > Holy > > > > crap > > > > > it actualy felt more stable in NR2002 than in NR2003 for me. Has > > anyone > > > > else > > > > > tried this? Like I said I'm not much of a set up tech. So anything > > much > > > > more > > > > > than tweaking gear ratios and tape has been left alone. > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" wrote... > Compared to the "fast" setups, I don't like the Jasper > setups very much at all. You'll hate them once people start using them against you... <vwg> Jan. =---

In article <[email hidden]>, Rich8 <[email hidden]> writes: >Perhaps the Westies or some unknow group will raise the bar such as >what DOOM3 is doing in the FPS market. Doom 3 is OUT??? Dammit... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <p7EX9.1130$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Who is "Jasper" any way ? > ...the friendly ghost...? <g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > > ...the friendly ghost...? > <g> That's Casper... you of all people should know that. <g> Jan. =---

In article <i3GZ9.14595$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" wrote... >> >> ...the friendly ghost...? >> <g> > >That's Casper... you of all people should know that. <g> >

I know - that's why I included a smiley... But why should I 'of all people' know that? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > I know - that's why I included a smiley... > But why should I 'of all people' know that? I thought you were into animated cartoons? Jan. =---

In article <RNZZ9.16550$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >"EldredP" wrote... >> <snip> >> I know - that's why I included a smiley... >> But why should I 'of all people' know that? > >I thought you were into animated cartoons? Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this crap being fed to kids nowadays...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 31 Jan 2003 00:22:09 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this crap >being fed to kids nowadays...<g> Wow. I take back that thing about you wetting the bed, sir. WWII-era Warner Bros = #1. Jason

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> > In article <RNZZ9.16550$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"EldredP" wrote... > >> <snip> > >> I know - that's why I included a smiley... > >> But why should I 'of all people' know that? > > > >I thought you were into animated cartoons? > > Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this crap > being fed to kids nowadays...<g>

Tex Avery !!! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: >> Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this >crap >> being fed to kids nowadays...<g> > >Tex Avery !!! Yep! And Chuck Jones. Classics, Goy...classics. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: Yep! And Chuck Jones. Classics, Goy...classics. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) writes:

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>On 31 Jan 2003 00:22:09 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this >crap >>being fed to kids nowadays...<g> > >Wow. I take back that thing about you wetting the bed, sir. > >WWII-era Warner Bros = #1. >

LOL! Thanks, Jason... :-) I have over 10gigs of Bugs Bunny(my favorite), Daffy Duck, Tex Avery .avi and .mpg files on my HD. I also have a bunch of Popeye, Tom & Jerry, and even Foghorn Leghorn stuff. I need a larger HD... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 01 Feb 2003 01:09:03 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >LOL! Thanks, Jason... :-) >I have over 10gigs of Bugs Bunny(my favorite), Daffy Duck, Tex Avery .avi and >.mpg files on my HD. I also have a bunch of Popeye, Tom & Jerry, and even >Foghorn Leghorn stuff. I need a larger HD... Oh man, I forgot about early Popey and Tom & Jerry. I think I need to do some cartoon DVD buying soon. Jason

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >> Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this > >crap > >> being fed to kids nowadays...<g> > > > >Tex Avery !!! > > Yep! And Chuck Jones. Classics, Goy...classics.

Yeah, Chuck Jones....name rings a bell with me but I can't quite place it, personally I believe Fred Quimby was well over due for an Oscar :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jason > Moyer) writes: > > >On 31 Jan 2003 00:22:09 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > >>Warner Bros., mostly... Older stuff, though. I don't like much of this > >crap > >>being fed to kids nowadays...<g> > > > >Wow. I take back that thing about you wetting the bed, sir. > > > >WWII-era Warner Bros = #1. > > > > LOL! Thanks, Jason... :-) > I have over 10gigs of Bugs Bunny(my favorite), Daffy Duck, Tex Avery .avi and > .mpg files on my HD. I also have a bunch of Popeye, Tom & Jerry, and even > Foghorn Leghorn stuff. I need a larger HD...

About the only thing I use P2P for Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:25:01 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yeah, Chuck Jones....name rings a bell with me but I can't quite place >it, Director of Warner Bros. Passed away recently, I believe last year sometime. He also did several Dr Seuss and Tom & Jerry cartoons in the 60's after Warner Bros closed. http://www.chuckjones.com/ Jason

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> > On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 18:25:01 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Yeah, Chuck Jones....name rings a bell with me but I can't quite place > >it, > > Director of Warner Bros. Passed away recently, I believe last year > sometime. He also did several Dr Seuss and Tom & Jerry cartoons in > the 60's after Warner Bros closed. > > http://www.chuckjones.com/

DOH !!! "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)-- I even had this quote in my sig for a while after his death.....Sorry Chuck Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--