N2003 - Nice.... but I dont think its worth another $50

The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think this is gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think it worth shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number on it.

Well I'll be buying it. Seeing as I race multiple times a week the $50 is a small price to pay for the number of improvements it has over N2002. Funny this sane discussion happened last year and once it was out it seems most bought it. If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy the upgrade. Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't will not. "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think thisis > gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but > other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think itworth > shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way > everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number onit. > > >

it. > > If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy theupgrade. > Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't will not. I dont enjoy Nascar racing - and I splashed out for 4 and 2002 :D Doug

it. I dont enjoy Nascar racing - and I splashed out for 4 and 2002 :D Doug

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> > it. > > > > If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy the > upgrade. > > Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't will not. > > I dont enjoy Nascar racing - and I splashed out for 4 and 2002 :D

So did I, haven't regretted a second, well, for the "4" maybe, but not 2002, that was well worth it, and from what I've seen so far, and read, 2003 will find it's rightful place in my collection Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Hmmmm.... twice in one week that I agree with Schooner. I'm not on drugs and I haven't been drinking, I must be getting soft :-) This is the last of the Papy series, so it will be the one all the add-ons are geared to from now 'til ........ (eternity?) I foresee it being GPL-like in that respect; new car textures, photo-realistic dashboards - you name it. In 2 years the hardware will catch up and should be able to run it at 1600 x 32 with all the eye candy and FSAA anyone could want. Being the last of the series may be a blessing as far as add-ons are concerned. I think most Nascar sim fans will buy it when it's released, but those that are happy with 2002 will probably wait until the price drops. Look at it this way; even if the yellow flags and AI aren't perfect, they'll be the best around for a Nascar sim for quite some time. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:paiX9.243870$[email hidden]... > Well I'll be buying it. Seeing as I race multiple times a week the $50 is a > small price to pay for the number of improvements it has over N2002. Funny > this sane discussion happened last year and once it was out it seems most > bought it. > > If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy the upgrade. > Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't will not. > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > > The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think this > is > > gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but > > other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think it > worth > > shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way > > everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number on > it. > > > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003

The N2003 demo that is going around is a leaked media beta demo. There are known issues, bugs, and missing features in the media demo. It seems lots of people think it's the release demo. Just a heads up that it is NOT! The real thing is being worked on as we speak. -- www.sascar.com "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think this is > gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but > other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think it worth > shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way > everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number on it. > > >

:-) My brainwashing is starting to work. "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0kevk$q5k1a$[email hidden]... > Hmmmm.... twice in one week that I agree with Schooner. I'm not on drugsand > I haven't been drinking, I must be getting soft :-) > This is the last of the Papy series, so it will be the one all the add-ons > are geared to from now 'til ........ (eternity?) I foresee it being > GPL-like in that respect; new car textures, photo-realistic dashboards -you > name it. In 2 years the hardware will catch up and should be able to runit > at 1600 x 32 with all the eye candy and FSAA anyone could want. Being the > last of the series may be a blessing as far as add-ons are concerned. > I think most Nascar sim fans will buy it when it's released, but thosethat > are happy with 2002 will probably wait until the price drops. > Look at it this way; even if the yellow flags and AI aren't perfect,they'll

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> be the best around for a Nascar sim for quite some time. > > > -- > Slot > > Tweaks & Reviews > www.slottweak.com > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:paiX9.243870$[email hidden]... > > Well I'll be buying it. Seeing as I race multiple times a week the $50

is > a > > small price to pay for the number of improvements it has over N2002.Funny > > this sane discussion happened last year and once it was out it seemsmost

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> > bought it. > > > > If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy the > upgrade. > > Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't will not. > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > > > The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think > this > > is > > > gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, > but > > > other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think it > > worth > > > shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way > > > everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number

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> > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/10/2003 > >

$50? My god! where do you shop?? I remember NR2002 was $39.99 and the week it was released it was on sale for $29.99. Then the $5 upgrade rebate brings the total to $24.99. You guys need to be a bit more miserly. ;) -Tim "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think thisis > gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but > other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think itworth > shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way > everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number onit. > > >

Ummmm, THEN DON'T BUY IT! If you don't like it then fine. Happy racing with yourself in a few weeks once everyone moves over to it. Papy will probably remove 2k2 compatibility for the online portion too so I guess you'll just have to race against the crappy AI. Vintook "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think thisis > gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but > other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think itworth > shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way > everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number onit. > > >

"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > $50? My god! where do you shop?? I remember NR2002 was $39.99 and theweek > it was released it was on sale for $29.99. Then the $5 upgrade rebate > brings the total to $24.99. > > You guys need to be a bit more miserly. ;) > > -Tim I got lucky. At best buy it rang up as some movie soundtrack. The lady running the till looked at it shrugged her shoulders and asked for my 15.99 plus tax which I was happy to give her. Since I doubt I'll be that lucky again I cut the coupon out of my brother in law's PC gamer when he wasn't looking. MadDAWG

OK, you qualify! Marc "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > $50? My god! where do you shop?? I remember NR2002 was $39.99 and the > week > > it was released it was on sale for $29.99. Then the $5 upgrade rebate > > brings the total to $24.99. > > > > You guys need to be a bit more miserly. ;) > > > > -Tim > > I got lucky. At best buy it rang up as some movie soundtrack. The lady > running the till looked at it shrugged her shoulders and asked for my

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> plus tax which I was happy to give her. Since I doubt I'll be that lucky > again I cut the coupon out of my brother in law's PC gamer when he wasn't > looking. > > MadDAWG > >

It should be offered at a discounted price if you have the latest version. Sierra is like a street corner dealer and they know we have to get our fix!

> I dont enjoy Nascar racing - and I splashed out for 4 and 2002 :D I bought 2002 just to see what all the fuss was about. I reckon it's an excellent Nascar simulation, but I was bored after 3 online races. The sim can't hide the fact that it's one of the dullest racing series on the planet.

Hehe, ok buddy. Got a new trolling license did you? "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0kr16$q94gk$[email hidden]... > > I dont enjoy Nascar racing - and I splashed out for 4 and 2002 :D > > I bought 2002 just to see what all the fuss was about. I reckon it's an > excellent Nascar simulation, but I was bored after 3 online races. Thesim > can't hide the fact that it's one of the dullest racing series on the > planet. > >

"Redmist" wrote... > > <snip> > I bought 2002 just to see what all the fuss was about. > I reckon it's an excellent Nascar simulation, but I > was bored after 3 online races. The sim can't hide > the fact that it's one of the dullest racing series on > the planet. I take it you got your ass lapped? ;-) Jan. =---

I take it you got your ass lapped? ;-) Jan. =---

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> > I bought 2002 just to see what all the fuss was about. > > I reckon it's an excellent Nascar simulation, but I > > was bored after 3 online races. The sim can't hide > > the fact that it's one of the dullest racing series on > > the planet. > > I take it you got your ass lapped? ;-)

No, just spent the whole time dodging rednecks that were spinning out. ;)

"Redmist" wrote... > <snip> > No, just spent the whole time dodging rednecks that > were spinning out. ;) Right... none of the drivers you met offered you serious competition, so this form of racing is boring. Uh-huh... very well thought out argument, redneck. Jan. =---

> Right... none of the drivers you met offered you serious competition, so > this form of racing is boring. > > Uh-huh... very well thought out argument, redneck. It's not something you can argue. It's all a matter of personal preference. Personally, I think the cars are ridiculous since they bare no resemblance to anything that anyone would want to drive in everyday life if given a choice. As for the tracks, well, ovals are boring to me. Simple as that. To make a comparison with golf, driving a race on an oval is like doing an entire round on a putting green.

How soon do you think before they pull 2k2 compatibility? I'm in a N4 league thats was about to switch to 2k2. Since i tried the 2k3 demo though, I'm actively pushing we go with this instead. Vintook wrote:

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> Ummmm, > > THEN DON'T BUY IT! If you don't like it then fine. Happy racing with > yourself in a few weeks once everyone moves over to it. Papy will probably > remove 2k2 compatibility for the online portion too so I guess you'll just > have to race against the crappy AI. > > Vintook > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > >>The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think this > > is > >>gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but >>other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think it > > worth > >>shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way >>everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number on > > it. > >> >> > >

"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0ku8m$qne47$[email hidden]... >> To make a comparison with golf, driving a race on an oval is like doing an > entire round on a putting green. > >Funny, That's EXACTLY how I feel about watching F1 racing. You obviously do not enjoy side by side racing.

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> >The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think this is >gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is better, but >other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont think it worth >shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine habit the way >everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the biggest number on it. >

Hmm. It felt like a big step up for me. The physics are the best I've felt in any sim period, the AI are infinitely better than before, all kinds of graphics improvements have been made, and things will only improve in the sim for years to come since it's the last in the series. That sounds like it'll be worth my money... ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://simcrash.fameflame.dk

> Funny, That's EXACTLY how I feel about watching F1 racing. > You obviously do not enjoy side by side racing. Passing maneurvres in F1 are a thing of beauty. They requires careful planning, strategy and skill. In NASCAR it's a case of, "Damn, he drafted me. Oh well, I'll draft him back."

They beauty of F1 is you only have to watch the first lap. After that the racing is over and its just a parade without the clowns. MadDAWG

I would think going to 2003 would be the smarter move. even if cost is an issue. If you pay $20 for NR2002 now in a year you will want 2003. Even if 2003 drops to $20 in a year (which I doubt since its the last one) that would still be a total of $40. So you might aswell take your $40 and get 2003 when it hits. If you are low on hardware you will just have to turn a buch of stuff off, but it should still look as good as nr2002. MadDAWG

I'm sure on a rainy day in London, you'd rather drive a Nascar than an F1 <g> Achim "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b0ku8m$qne47$[email hidden]... > Personally, I think the cars are ridiculous since they bare no resemblance > to anything that anyone would want to drive in everyday life if given a > choice.

>"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote > I bought 2002 just to see what all the fuss was about. I reckon it's an > excellent Nascar simulation, but I was bored after 3 online races. Thesim > can't hide the fact that it's one of the dullest racing series on the > planet. Ya reckon in da bayou. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote. > Personally, I think the cars are ridiculous since they bare no resemblance > to anything that anyone would want to drive in everyday life if given a > choice. Gee, you must hate almost all forms of motorsports, "reckon". -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote > They beauty of F1 is you only have to watch the first lap. After that the > racing is over and its just a parade without the clowns. Wow dawg, I never heard of that! You must be the first one in the history of the Usenet to post such information!!! All hail dawg, he's so unique! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> Gee, you must hate almost all forms of motorsports, "reckon". Hey, yeah, I must. Hey, frog.

Already pre-ordered from EB for next day delivery when it is released, I hate shopping in stores :) Don Burnette Schooner wrote:

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> Well I'll be buying it. Seeing as I race multiple times a week the $50 > is a small price to pay for the number of improvements it has over N2002. > Funny this sane discussion happened last year and once it was out it > seems most bought it. > > If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy the > upgrade. Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't > will not. > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... >> The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think >> this is gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is >> better, but other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont >> think it worth shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine >> habit the way everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the >> biggest number on it.

Don isn't as young or sharp as he use to be (and that's saying MUCH!) and all those isles get him confused and lost. <G> -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Already pre-ordered from EB for next day delivery when it is released, I > hate shopping in stores :) > > Don Burnette > > Schooner wrote: > > Well I'll be buying it. Seeing as I race multiple times a week the $50 > > is a small price to pay for the number of improvements it has over N2002. > > Funny this sane discussion happened last year and once it was out it > > seems most bought it. > > > > If you trolling then good luck but no one is making anyone buy the > > upgrade. Those that enjoy NASCAR racing will buy it, those that don't > > will not. > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PGhX9.1064$[email hidden]... > >> The Upgrade from 4 to 2002 was questionable enough, but I dont think > >> this is gonna cut it. Yea, it feels even better to drive and the AI is > >> better, but other than that its just a bunch of minor tweaks that I dont > >> think it worth shellin out another $50. Its almost like a mild cocaine > >> habit the way everyone feels obligated to buy the papy game with the > >> biggest number on it. > > > > >

In article <BkkX9.80238$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes: >Ummmm, > >THEN DON'T BUY IT! If you don't like it then fine. Happy racing with >yourself in a few weeks once everyone moves over to it. Papy will probably >remove 2k2 compatibility for the online portion too so I guess you'll just >have to race against the crappy AI. People said the same thing about the move from N4 to N2002. It didn't die as quickly as some assumed. Aren't there *still* a bunch of N4 leagues running? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <BkkX9.80238$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Ummmm, > > > >THEN DON'T BUY IT! If you don't like it then fine. Happy racing with > >yourself in a few weeks once everyone moves over to it. Papy will probably > >remove 2k2 compatibility for the online portion too so I guess you'll just > >have to race against the crappy AI. > > People said the same thing about the move from N4 to N2002. It didn't die as > quickly as some assumed. Aren't there *still* a bunch of N4 leagues running? > > Eldred >

Hell, there's still some N3 leagues running...