RASCAR, rockingham and the fast setup...

So what kind of times are you all getting during practice?

So far 24:442 is my fastest lap, I've been practicing the last few nights. What about you? Joe "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gdt4a.25961$[email hidden]... > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > >

23.842 here, among about 4-5 23.8s in a row But that was hotlapping, no way will I drive it that hard in a race. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gdt4a.25961$[email hidden]... > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > >

In article <gdt4a.25961$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? 23.918 was my fastest, but average lap times are mid 24's.

I've been doing pretty good. I wrecked the first half hour, got passed the second, and then actually finished the 3rd race. I was feeling real good about getting around the 35's. Now that TWhite had to put his numbers down, I know that I need lots of work and tutoring. So, TWHITE, how about a running tour of this track and some secrets? grub "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gdt4a.25961$[email hidden]... > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > >

and maybe a lap or two of replay footage showing your line around the track on your fastest laps... "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been doing pretty good. I wrecked the first half hour, got passed the > second, and then actually finished the 3rd race. I was feeling real good > about getting around the 35's. Now that TWhite had to put his numbersdown,

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> I know that I need lots of work and tutoring. So, TWHITE, how about a > running tour of this track and some secrets? > grub > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gdt4a.25961$[email hidden]... > > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just curious, what do you define as "hotlapping" Do you run low fuel or what? Is that alone in testing mode or with other cars on the track? Joe "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x_u4a.22047$[email hidden]...

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> 23.842 here, among about 4-5 23.8s in a row > But that was hotlapping, no way will I drive it that hard in a race. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just curious, what do you define as "hotlapping" Do you run low fuel or what? Is that alone in testing mode or with other cars on the track? Joe "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x_u4a.22047$[email hidden]...

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> 23.842 here, among about 4-5 23.8s in a row > But that was hotlapping, no way will I drive it that hard in a race. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just curious, what do you define as "hotlapping" Do you run low fuel or what? Is that alone in testing mode or with other cars on the track? Joe "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x_u4a.22047$[email hidden]...

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> 23.842 here, among about 4-5 23.8s in a row > But that was hotlapping, no way will I drive it that hard in a race. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > > > > > > > > >

I can't post replays here for some reason, otherwise I'd be glad to. But I assure you I do not want to go that fast with this setup in a race. It's all I can do to get to 70 laps before blowing a tire. I will say this is about the crapiest Fast setup I've come across so far. When the tires go, around lap 25-30, heck even if you even think about using the gas pedal too soon you will bring it around on an exit. Not sure this is what Papy had in mind when trying to create 'something for everyone'. :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3yB4a.103093$[email hidden]... > and maybe a lap or two of replay footage showing your line around the track > on your fastest laps...

Sorry, Outlook xpress kept erroring on me and now look! 3 of the same...... Joe "Joe Saxon" <joesaxon@!nospam!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b2uv1t$gsn$[email hidden]...

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> Just curious, what do you define as "hotlapping" Do you run low fuel or > what? Is that alone in testing mode or with other cars on the track? > > Joe > > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:x_u4a.22047$[email hidden]... > > 23.842 here, among about 4-5 23.8s in a row > > But that was hotlapping, no way will I drive it that hard in a race. > > > > -- > > Tim White > > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gdt4a.25961$[email hidden]... > > > So what kind of times are you all getting during practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I am finding this problem with all setups, both the fixed fast and my own. The setups are great for about 10-15 laps and then go all to hell. The RF tire is simply gone. All of the setups I create are based on Bob Stanleys setups which usually have great tire wear, but even his setups burn up the RF tire after about 15 laps. I know papy had goodyear engineers helping them and I figured that it would result in better tire wear not worse. Last year in the actual cup series there were quite a few races won buy guys that did not pit and take on tires because they were finding that their times were not dropping off that much. I have not practiced the fixed fast setup at the rock yet but if you say you are getting loose on exit my guess would be that you are push loose???? Brian On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:59:51 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I can't post replays here for some reason, otherwise I'd be glad to. But I assure you I do not want to go that fast with this setup >in a race. It's all I can do to get to 70 laps before blowing a tire. > >I will say this is about the crapiest Fast setup I've come across so far. When the tires go, around lap 25-30, heck even if you >even think about using the gas pedal too soon you will bring it around on an exit. Not sure this is what Papy had in mind when >trying to create 'something for everyone'. > >:)

Giving it one lap to settle in the tires, then running as hard as I can till the times drop off. Testing mode, full fuel, whatever weather I need to test. The only reason I really do that is to just see what the setup is capable of. I always thought it was easier to slow down a setup than speed it up :))) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Joe Saxon" <joesaxon@!nospam!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b2upho$ku$[email hidden]... > Just curious, what do you define as "hotlapping" Do you run low fuel or > what? Is that alone in testing mode or with other cars on the track? >

Thanks for the info, I was just curious. I got my new springs for my ACT Labs Performance pedals today and I put them in an it's like I'm having to learn to drive again! The springs had broken and I read on their forum that some guys have been putting a tennis ball inside the pedal to substitute for the springs, well I tried it while I waited for my new springs to get here and ended up setting some fast times with it and now I have to go back to the other, I really sucked with the tennis ball at first then I got used to it, I will have to do the same again now! Joe "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:itE4a.18402$[email hidden]... > Giving it one lap to settle in the tires, then running as hard as I cantill the times drop off. > Testing mode, full fuel, whatever weather I need to test. > The only reason I really do that is to just see what the setup is capableof.

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> I always thought it was easier to slow down a setup than speed it up :))) > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Joe Saxon" <joesaxon@!nospam!mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:b2upho$ku$[email hidden]... > > Just curious, what do you define as "hotlapping" Do you run low fuel or > > what? Is that alone in testing mode or with other cars on the track? > > > >

What happens is when the right side tires go, meaning they are well yellow, but not close to going red, this setup will just spin left when you gas it in the same spot you've been using the gas, even if you just feather the gas wrong. It redefines the word 'touchy' :) I don't mind the excessive tire wear in theory. I think it can be very realistic, especially for Rockingham. But I worked on a setup where I actually got the RR to wear quicker, and the same thing happens. When the tires get worn on the right side, at least at this track, the car becomes uncontrollable, very loose when gasing on exit. I have an open setup I am working on, a modified one from Fast, that does a better job on worn tires than anything I've come across so far. It's not fast, just easy as hell to drive. If I really take it easy early on, it can just make a full fuel run. This is something new for Papyrus (imo) in having a setup being wickedly loose on worn tires rather than what you would think would start to push. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I am finding this problem with all setups, both the fixed fast and my > own. The setups are great for about 10-15 laps and then go all to > hell. The RF tire is simply gone. All of the setups I create are > based on Bob Stanleys setups which usually have great tire wear, but > even his setups burn up the RF tire after about 15 laps. > > I know papy had goodyear engineers helping them and I figured that it > would result in better tire wear not worse. Last year in the actual > cup series there were quite a few races won buy guys that did not pit > and take on tires because they were finding that their times were not > dropping off that much. > > I have not practiced the fixed fast setup at the rock yet but if you > say you are getting loose on exit my guess would be that you are push > loose???? > > > Brian >

Weird, the way i drive, it pushes like hell when the tires wear.... but i dont have very fast laps "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fEE4a.18594$[email hidden]... > What happens is when the right side tires go, meaning they are wellyellow, but not close to going red, this setup will just spin > left when you gas it in the same spot you've been using the gas, even ifyou just feather the gas wrong. It redefines the word > 'touchy' :) > > I don't mind the excessive tire wear in theory. I think it can be veryrealistic, especially for Rockingham. But I worked on a > setup where I actually got the RR to wear quicker, and the same thinghappens. When the tires get worn on the right side, at least > at this track, the car becomes uncontrollable, very loose when gasing onexit. > > I have an open setup I am working on, a modified one from Fast, that doesa better job on worn tires than anything I've come across > so far. It's not fast, just easy as hell to drive. If I really take iteasy early on, it can just make a full fuel run. > > This is something new for Papyrus (imo) in having a setup being wickedlyloose on worn tires rather than what you would think would

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> start to push. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message

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> > I am finding this problem with all setups, both the fixed fast and my > > own. The setups are great for about 10-15 laps and then go all to > > hell. The RF tire is simply gone. All of the setups I create are > > based on Bob Stanleys setups which usually have great tire wear, but > > even his setups burn up the RF tire after about 15 laps. > > > > I know papy had goodyear engineers helping them and I figured that it > > would result in better tire wear not worse. Last year in the actual > > cup series there were quite a few races won buy guys that did not pit > > and take on tires because they were finding that their times were not > > dropping off that much. > > > > I have not practiced the fixed fast setup at the rock yet but if you > > say you are getting loose on exit my guess would be that you are push > > loose???? > > > > > > Brian > > > >

Weird, the way i drive, it pushes like hell when the tires wear.... but i dont have very fast laps yellow, but not close to going red, this setup will just spin you just feather the gas wrong. It redefines the word realistic, especially for Rockingham. But I worked on a happens. When the tires get worn on the right side, at least a better job on worn tires than anything I've come across easy early on, it can just make a full fuel run. loose on worn tires rather than what you would think would > start to push. > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com

Actually, in N4 I remember being wicked loose at Rockingham after the tires were worn just like you describe. I distincly remember driving the track in N2002 and thinking how much easier the track was. Of course, I think this is one of my worst tracks. Usually I can run pretty good at most tracks but I just cannot turn fast laps at this track. I just can't figure it out. Brian Oster On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 05:30:51 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What happens is when the right side tires go, meaning they are well yellow, but not close to going red, this setup will just spin >left when you gas it in the same spot you've been using the gas, even if you just feather the gas wrong. It redefines the word >'touchy' :) > >I don't mind the excessive tire wear in theory. I think it can be very realistic, especially for Rockingham. But I worked on a >setup where I actually got the RR to wear quicker, and the same thing happens. When the tires get worn on the right side, at least >at this track, the car becomes uncontrollable, very loose when gasing on exit. > >I have an open setup I am working on, a modified one from Fast, that does a better job on worn tires than anything I've come across >so far. It's not fast, just easy as hell to drive. If I really take it easy early on, it can just make a full fuel run. > >This is something new for Papyrus (imo) in having a setup being wickedly loose on worn tires rather than what you would think would >start to push.

Thanks Tim. I knew this would be a good discussion with your input. grub "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fEE4a.18594$[email hidden]... > What happens is when the right side tires go, meaning they are wellyellow, but not close to going red, this setup will just spin > left when you gas it in the same spot you've been using the gas, even ifyou just feather the gas wrong. It redefines the word > 'touchy' :) > > I don't mind the excessive tire wear in theory. I think it can be veryrealistic, especially for Rockingham. But I worked on a > setup where I actually got the RR to wear quicker, and the same thinghappens. When the tires get worn on the right side, at least > at this track, the car becomes uncontrollable, very loose when gasing onexit. > > I have an open setup I am working on, a modified one from Fast, that doesa better job on worn tires than anything I've come across > so far. It's not fast, just easy as hell to drive. If I really take iteasy early on, it can just make a full fuel run. > > This is something new for Papyrus (imo) in having a setup being wickedlyloose on worn tires rather than what you would think would

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> start to push. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message

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> > I am finding this problem with all setups, both the fixed fast and my > > own. The setups are great for about 10-15 laps and then go all to > > hell. The RF tire is simply gone. All of the setups I create are > > based on Bob Stanleys setups which usually have great tire wear, but > > even his setups burn up the RF tire after about 15 laps. > > > > I know papy had goodyear engineers helping them and I figured that it > > would result in better tire wear not worse. Last year in the actual > > cup series there were quite a few races won buy guys that did not pit > > and take on tires because they were finding that their times were not > > dropping off that much. > > > > I have not practiced the fixed fast setup at the rock yet but if you > > say you are getting loose on exit my guess would be that you are push > > loose???? > > > > > > Brian > > > >

Thanks Tim. I knew this would be a good discussion with your input. grub yellow, but not close to going red, this setup will just spin you just feather the gas wrong. It redefines the word realistic, especially for Rockingham. But I worked on a happens. When the tires get worn on the right side, at least a better job on worn tires than anything I've come across easy early on, it can just make a full fuel run. loose on worn tires rather than what you would think would > start to push. > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com

I can hit low 24's. On the laps I don't spin out. What a lousy setup. Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x_u4a.22047$[email hidden]...

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> 23.842 here, among about 4-5 23.8s in a row > But that was hotlapping, no way will I drive it that hard in a race. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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