RASCAR: Rockingham Race

Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of interest: 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only three of the cautions occurred after that point. 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. 5) Brian Oster won the race. 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me.

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > 5) Brian Oster won the race. > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me.

One more thing - Ginger Fletcher (#7 car) had only installed the game mere minutes before the race, and still managed to finish 2nd. Maybe the setup wasn't reaslly as terrible as everyone was saying - he sure made the whiners look fairly stupid. :)

Real bad day here. Started in the back and taking it easy when something happened to Ed coming out of 2 and I had to brake hard and lost it into the inside wall killing the motor on lap 2 or 3. Sorry to Neal C for you getting caught up in this.

I had a bad one. Either the 3rd or 4th place guy spun himself in front of the pack on an early restart and I had to touch the brakes right in the middle of t1 and that spun me right around. I sat right in the middle of the track for what seemed an eternity (but not long nuff) waiting for everyone to pass. No sooner do I move forward I get slammed (I use the paddles to look left but my wheel was turned and I couldn't find it to look while I was downshifting). It took me forever to get to the pits and before I could even start repairs I hear "1 to go". Im thinkin jeez, the one time I do need time we get a short yellow :) As we restart guys are on the apron and all over the place and my car has serious problems and I couldnt hang on, anyway end of my day ;-O Sorry to whomever I got that last restart. Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > 5) Brian Oster won the race. > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me. > > >

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) That would be me. Sorry to anyone that got caught up in my controller problem taking the first caution flag. I was crossing the start/finish line to take the yellow and my wheel suddenly pulled hard left and I had no gas or brakes. I thought my wheel and pedals had died since they are over 3 years old now, but after some investigation I found the culprit was that the AC adapter had come unplugged from the pedal base. Doh! Kyle

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive.

Yeah, a good turn out, i hope one day we can fill the server :-) > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > three of the cautions occurred after that point. That was a fun race, i had some fantastic laps racing with TimW & DaveGF for 3rd place between laps 70-110(ish), i was lucky the yellow flag came out just after most had pitted under green, that put me 3rd and the final car on the lead lap. I got a speeding in pit penalty which put me in 3rd but at the end of the longest line for the restart....hehe

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> > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > 5) Brian Oster won the race.

Congrats Brian, great racing. > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me. I was supprised when your engine started smoking while following the pace car, very bad luck John. Great race, great sim, cya next week chaps !! Cheers Ginger > >

np - it happens :) "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Real bad day here. Started in the back and taking it easy when something > happened to Ed coming out of 2 and I had to brake hard and lost it intothe > inside wall killing the motor on lap 2 or 3. Sorry to Neal C for yougetting > caught up in this.

In article <3e57fb71$0$9699$[email hidden]>, "BowtNetterToDo" <[email hidden]> writes: >> 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > >Yeah, a good turn out, i hope one day we can fill the server :-) How was the connection, guys? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >One more thing - Ginger Fletcher (#7 car) had only installed the game >mere minutes before the race, and still managed to finish 2nd. Maybe >the setup wasn't reaslly as terrible as everyone was saying - he sure >made the whiners look fairly stupid. :) Jeez, Ginger - how do you DO it??? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car >(it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > Doh! Sorry about that... :-( >Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of >interest: > >1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. My video card is in the mail...<g> Didn't matter much for this race - I *hate* the Rock... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, I turned up at the usual 9PM UK time and no server Guess I missed the post about the change of time ;) I'll try and make it earlier next week <G> Ian P "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. >

Well my race went ok. I had a warp incident with DGF that caused me to go down a few laps. My warp not his, my problem not his. I think it was DGF anyway. After that a few lazy spins over cooking coming out of turns or into turns. The yellows got me bored and PO'd, so I ignored a BF and got DQ'd. It took me right off the track and to the setup screen, LOL I found the setup easier to drive then the Fast setup on my pc. I tried another few laps after I got BF'd and i spun a lot with my fast setup. I wonder if they react differently online.? ZZ Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

I should have stuck it out, but I didn't. I got a black flag for passing before the start/finish line on a restart. Total rookie mistake! Then I was caught speeding on pit lane when serving my black flag! Needless to say after a couple spins I was down 2 or 3 laps and kinda figured I'd get my ass off the server. I had something to do this afternoon and I am out of work at the moment and that "something" paid me some $$. Like I said, I wish I'd stayed. I will practice a lot for Vegas next week. See you guys there. Joe (Punisher6) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > 5) Brian Oster won the race. > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me. > >

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > > interest: > > > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > Yeah, a good turn out, i hope one day we can fill the server :-) > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > That was a fun race, i had some fantastic laps racing with TimW & DaveGF

for > 3rd place between laps 70-110(ish), i was lucky the yellow flag came out > just after most had pitted under green, that put me 3rd and the final caron > the lead lap. I got a speeding in pit penalty which put me in 3rd but atthe > end of the longest line for the restart....hehe Had a really great time racing with you (as usual) and Tim. Seemed like I spent the whole race with you guys. Sometimes I was holding my breath and sometimes I was laughing. :-) Tim and I unfortunately pitted right before a yellow came out and went two laps down (we were wrong about it being only one). We got one back, but ran out of time. Congrats to Brian. David G Fisher

"John Simmons" wrote... > <snip> > Well, that was an interesting race - the following > points of interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's > pretty impressive. Yeah, good size field. > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the > race). It took us until about lap 60 to find a > rythm, but after we did, I think only three of > the cautions occurred after that point. The usual, IMO. People not giving themselves and eachother time to settle into the race. "I have to run 24s flat the second lap around" -sheesh. On the fast setup, when driving in "race-mode" the tyres only come in for me about lap 12-15. That first part we never had 15 laps of straight running. Then there's the usual "there's a yellow so I'll pit"-persuasion that persists. Jumbling up the field and making restarts even more dangerous than they should be (cautions breed cautions). I pitted once, not because the car needed it, but I wanted to get back to the tail end of the field (not even a second across the field in practise, but still people think they are doomed to lose if they can't pass that slightly slower competitor). No avail, 10 laps and two cautions later I was back up to 3rd again. Surely not everyone could have been involved in those incidents? Ok, restart yet again. Craig Johnson is too close for my liking (reports of me warping while most of the time competitors look OK to me got me worried... cfr. last season), so I move up the track and hold back through 3 and 4. Craig duly goes for the pass. I drift down a little lower than intended for 4, but before I can correct I'm nearly T-boned by Craig. Turns out he got onto the apron at which point the car just turned right and shot up the track. So now I'm stopped in the middle of track with a smashed in hood and terminally damaged engine. I don't know if everyone got through ok, but at least they managed to avoid me. Only thing left for me to do was limp the #17 Tektronix Ford back to my crew and start packing the trailer. No reproach towards Craig, shit like that happens. > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the > last caution (I snookered Brian and Ginger by only > getting two tires on the pitstop), but the motor > went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form > up for the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). Grats and commisserations > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. > ZZ Busch and Pete Reston appeared to be the > recipients of the bulk of these penalties. There's one for me entering a closed pit with the terminal damage... I didn't feel like limping around another lap, so there. > 5) Brian Oster won the race. Nice one Brian. > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different > drivers. Yeah, pretty close bunch in terms of outright speed. > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with > subsequent incidents happening as a result of the > solo spin. I continue to be amazed by the number of people just losing control by themselves. I consider myself nothing special in a virtual racecar and even I find it relatively easy to stay on top of things (famous last words <g>) as long as I pace myself correctly(*). Certainly a lot easier in NR2k3 than in GPL. > Other than my motor crappng out while I was in the > lead, it was a fairly good race for me. Too bad John. Jan. =--- (*) Rem.: no use getting ahead of oneself with more than 10 to go, IMO.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > How was the connection, guys? Ok for me, as usual. Couple reports of me position warping/winking out and I did have a couple latency spikes, but I'm sure that's my end. Jan. =---

pretty stable for me Eldred. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3e57fb71$0$9699$[email hidden]>, "BowtNetterToDo" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > > >Yeah, a good turn out, i hope one day we can fill the server :-) > > How was the connection, guys? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-0.381 > MonsterRank: +339.873 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Best of my recollection I had 2 BFs. The first was for "leaking fluids" on the track as the results of Grub Bat losing it and hitting my front end. And one for passing someone before SF I think they said they had lost second gear. But I'm a rookie. :-) Pete "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > 5) Brian Oster won the race. > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me. > >

Jan, I have to say that I am sorry about that wreck. It should have been a good pass but dog-gone if I didn't blow it. Of all people, I did not want to get into you and start some bad blood. The warping wasn't the reason that I got in to you but when I was in that corner, I briefly thought about it and thought that I would try to give you a tad more room. A split second on that apron and wham, that dreaded push. The grubbat Dodge was running strong on new tires but the rock is definitly hard to handle on that fast setup. grub

How did grub hit your front end? :) Were you sittin in the middle of the track? Sorry bout that. If I could have, I would have avoided you. Funny, I didn't get no damage from that hit. grub "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:P2X5a.10117$[email hidden]... > Best of my recollection I had 2 BFs. The first was for "leakingfluids" > on the track as the results of Grub Bat losing it and hitting my frontend.

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> And one for passing someone before SF I think they said they had lost > second gear. > But I'm a rookie. :-) > > Pete > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > > interest: > > > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > > > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > > > 5) Brian Oster won the race. > > > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me. > > > > > >

Came down in front of me. I had no visible damage but it told me I was leaking fluid on the track and got BF'd. I pitted and lost about 10 mph off my top end. One of those things. We hardly touched. Pete "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How did grub hit your front end? :) > Were you sittin in the middle of the track? > Sorry bout that. If I could have, I would have avoided you. Funny, Ididn't > get no damage from that hit. > grub >

Jan said: The usual, IMO. People not giving themselves and each other time to settle into the race. "I have to run 24s flat the second lap around" -sheesh. On the fast setup, when driving in "race-mode" the tyres only come in for me about lap 12-15. That first part we never had 15 laps of straight running. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think this is the biggest problem we have. The darn race was 170+ laps, with a mandatory pit stop. Plus we already knew the setup was a tricky one. I'll write it off as first race excitement, but this is the second "season", we should know better. I know I'm slower, so I try to give room to pass or if I'm going to pass, I'll watch and wait to pick a time and place that's safe. At least I hope it's safe. Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

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> Jan said: > The usual, IMO. People not giving themselves and each other time to > settle into the race. "I have to run 24s flat the second lap around" > -sheesh. On the fast setup, when driving in "race-mode" the tyres > only come in for me about lap 12-15. That first part we never had 15 > laps of straight running. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I think this is the biggest problem we have. The darn race was 170+ > laps, with a mandatory pit stop. Plus we already knew the setup was a > tricky one. I'll write it off as first race excitement, but this is > the second "season", we should know better. > > I know I'm slower, so I try to give room to pass or if I'm going to > pass, I'll watch and wait to pick a time and place that's safe. At > least I hope it's safe.

(The race was 158 laps - grin). This is for everyone, not just Jan and ZZ... I personally think it's a matter of practice and a lack of concentration, compounded by the fear of taking someone out ("driving the mirror"). If you're uncomfortable with someone being right on your ass lap after lap, give them room and let them by. If you're getting frustrated by having to follow someone that's "obviously slower" than you are, be patient and wait for an opportunity to pass safely. Another big problem is that the setup acts differently online than it does offline. Some folks appeared to be surprised by this, but after similar discoveries last year, I don't know why this continues to be unexpected. Just because you don't have to actually build a setup does NOT mean that you can ignore any opportunity to put in a few (hundred) practice laps and become familiar with the setup that we're using. Ginger put all of us to shame by installing the game for the first time just before the race, and I don't recall him getting out of shape AT ALL during the race. Cowboy up, stop complaining, practice till your eyes bleed, and build up some confidence in your ability to drive the damn car. We will not be fielding any more complaints about the <fast> setups.

In article <[email hidden]>, "grubbat" <[email hidden]> writes: > The grubbat Dodge was running strong on new tires but the rock is >definitly hard to handle on that fast setup. >grub The Rock is hard to handle on ANY setup...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <P2X5a.10117$[email hidden]>, "Pete" <[email hidden]> writes: > Best of my recollection I had 2 BFs. The first was for "leaking fluids" >on the track as the results of Grub Bat losing it and hitting my front end. >And one for passing someone before SF I think they said they had lost >second gear. > But I'm a rookie. :-) "leaking fluids"? Whoa... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Ginger put all of us to shame by installing the game for the first >time just before the race, and I don't recall him getting out of >shape AT ALL during the race. Come on - he didn't REALLY just install it right before the race, did he? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: The Rock is hard to handle on ANY setup...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"grubbat" wrote... > Jan, > I have to say that I am sorry about that wreck. It should > have been a good pass but dog-gone if I didn't blow it. > Of all people, I did not want to get into you and start > some bad blood. That's ok Grub, it was an accident. No hard feelings. > The warping wasn't the reason that I got in to you but when > I was in that corner, I briefly thought about it and thought > that I would try to give you a tad more room. A split second > on that apron and wham, that dreaded push. Yep, you were a passenger the second you hit it. Pretty nasty stuff. > The grubbat Dodge was running strong on new tires but the > rock is definitly hard to handle on that fast setup. The trick is to run "medium" on new tyres so you stay on the road with _old_ tyres. Trust me, I practised this one quite a bit. If you "go" on the green you're never going to see lap 65 on that set of socks. Jan. =---

John, that really sucks that the SIM bit you. My condolences. I think the new guys did a pretty good job considering how tough the race was! Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Before I start - Eldred, on the server you should select the #299 car > (it's in the carset). Someone else is using #86. :) > > Well, that was an interesting race - the following points of > interest: > > 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > 2) 13 cautions for 49 laps (more than 1/3 of the race). It took us > until about lap 60 to find a rythm, but after we did, I think only > three of the cautions occurred after that point. > > 3) I led the most laps, and was in the lead on the last caution (I > snookered Brian and Ginger by only getting two tires on the pitstop), > but the motor went out just as we crossed the s/f line to form up for > the re-start (with only 14 laps to go). > > 4) There were 18 penalties handed out by the sim. ZZ Busch and Pete > Reston appeared to be the recipients of the bulk of these penalties. > > 5) Brian Oster won the race. > > 6) There were 15 lead changes among nine different drivers. > > Most of the accidents appeared to be solos with subsequent incidents > happening as a result of the solo spin. Other than my motor crappng > out while I was in the lead, it was a fairly good race for me. > >

As I indicated in an earlier post, I think I know why. It seemed to me that if you could get up to speed, and stay there, the setup wasn't that bad. But if you were running slow to be careful, or even worse trying to slow to avoid traffic bottlenecks or incidents, or even much worse having to touch the brakes in the corner to avoid something, you were in trouble fast and the rear end would come around. I think this is because the setup was designed in TESTING mode with no traffic, and it does not take into consideration low-speed handling or traffic avoidance. The rear downforce, to me, felt like basically NIL at slower speeds and the brake bias was not set for avoidance situations. Just my theory :) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > One more thing - Ginger Fletcher (#7 car) had only installed the game > mere minutes before the race, and still managed to finish 2nd. Maybe > the setup wasn't reaslly as terrible as everyone was saying - he sure > made the whiners look fairly stupid. :) > >

A couple of spikes, and a couple of cars had a little wobble, but pretty good! Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3e57fb71$0$9699$[email hidden]>,"BowtNetterToDo"

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> 1) I think everyone but Eldred showed up. That's pretty impressive. > > > >Yeah, a good turn out, i hope one day we can fill the server :-) > > How was the connection, guys? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-0.381 > MonsterRank: +339.873 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:28 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Just because you don't have to actually build a setup does NOT mean >that you can ignore any opportunity to put in a few (hundred) >practice laps and become familiar with the setup that we're using. >Ginger put all of us to shame by installing the game for the first >time just before the race, and I don't recall him getting out of >shape AT ALL during the race. >

That was really amazing. One thing I've noticed about Ginger is that he rarely turns the fastest lap in practice or during the race, but he almost never puts himself in situations that will tear up his car and he is usually right there at the end of the race and subsequently wins quite a few of them. Thats how I won Sat. I was NOT the fastest driver out there... probably not even in the top 5 but I knew the Rock is a really tough track and so I determined I was going to just concentrate on getting through the first 100 laps without tearing up my car and not worry about my track position. Also I was trying to concentrate on really saving my tires. I figured if we did get some long runs and my tires were not as used up I could blow by the faster guys. Brian Oster

In article <[email hidden]>, bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says...

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> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:28 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Just because you don't have to actually build a setup does NOT mean > >that you can ignore any opportunity to put in a few (hundred) > >practice laps and become familiar with the setup that we're using. > >Ginger put all of us to shame by installing the game for the first > >time just before the race, and I don't recall him getting out of > >shape AT ALL during the race. > > > > That was really amazing. One thing I've noticed about Ginger is that > he rarely turns the fastest lap in practice or during the race, but he > almost never puts himself in situations that will tear up his car and > he is usually right there at the end of the race and subsequently wins > quite a few of them. > > Thats how I won Sat. I was NOT the fastest driver out there...

That, and you got real lucky that one of the other two guys that was doing the same thing was foced out by mechanical failure. :)

"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:28 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > That was really amazing. One thing I've noticed about Ginger is that > he rarely turns the fastest lap in practice or during the race, but he > almost never puts himself in situations that will tear up his car and > he is usually right there at the end of the race and subsequently wins > quite a few of them. >

<g> Is all this going to yr head, Gin? :-))))))))

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:22:15 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > >That, and you got real lucky that one of the other two guys that was >doing the same thing was foced out by mechanical failure. :) LOL. I was going to mention that, but I thought it might be too painful for you. Well, at least we all knew you showed up. Of course, every win has a little bit of luck with it. Brian Oster

I saw some minor wraping from time to time... but it was pretty good. -- ed_ RASCAR: http://rascar.racesimcentral.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC!

"Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FAa6a.4409$[email hidden]... > > > <g> Is all this going to yr head, Gin? :-)))))))) > >Just a little bit boss, i have been cut&pasting the compliments to a fan page i'm planning :-) The missus burst my bubble when she said "geezus luv, ya stick it in 4th and turn left twice a lap, if ya want a challenging drive come and help me push the shopping trolley around the supermarket !!! "...women, tut :-) Cheers Ginger

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:22:48 -0000, "BowtNetterToDo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in >message news:FAa6a.4409$[email hidden]... >> >> >> <g> Is all this going to yr head, Gin? :-)))))))) >> >> >Just a little bit boss, i have been cut&pasting the compliments to a fan >page i'm planning :-) > >The missus burst my bubble when she said "geezus luv, ya stick it in 4th and >turn left twice a lap, if ya want a challenging drive come and help me push >the shopping trolley around the supermarket !!! "...women, tut :-) > >Cheers Ginger >

Hmph! My wife dosen't even give me that much credit. Brian Oster

>Hmph! My wife dosen't even give me that much credit. > >Brian Oster Neither does Ed. He has Brian Farmer as the winner on the web page :)

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :-) -- ed_ "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > >Hmph! My wife dosen't even give me that much credit. > > > >Brian Oster > > Neither does Ed. He has Brian Farmer as the winner on the web page :)

Dammit. This must be corrected at once!!!! :) On 24 Feb 2003 20:02:12 GMT, [email hidden] (Bamadano) wrote: >>Hmph! My wife dosen't even give me that much credit. >> >>Brian Oster > >Neither does Ed. He has Brian Farmer as the winner on the web page :)

That was my plan too, but I kept finding trouble even when trying to steer around it :) Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:23:28 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > That was really amazing. One thing I've noticed about Ginger is that > he rarely turns the fastest lap in practice or during the race, but he > almost never puts himself in situations that will tear up his car and > he is usually right there at the end of the race and subsequently wins > quite a few of them. > > Thats how I won Sat. I was NOT the fastest driver out there... > probably not even in the top 5 but I knew the Rock is a really tough > track and so I determined I was going to just concentrate on getting > through the first 100 laps without tearing up my car and not worry > about my track position. Also I was trying to concentrate on really > saving my tires. I figured if we did get some long runs and my tires > were not as used up I could blow by the faster guys. > > Brian Oster