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Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), and my motor exploded.

"John Simmons" said: > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > and my motor exploded. Great shame John - you missed out on a real good race... Only 5 cautions! That Las Vegas setup is a real bit** on cold tires... unsually take 2-3 laps before you can truly "nail it" in the turns.. I had a pretty good race myself and ended up 6th - which probably could been a whole lot better had I not screwed up my last stop and gotten 4 fresh tires instead of just 2...meaning I had to complete the last 30 laps on 80 laps old left-side tries. Anyhow.. results have been posted on the site. -- ed_ RASCAR: http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC!

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), >and my motor exploded. > I didn't last much longer. A couple laps after the restart, the back end started to slide out. I caught it, and the car hooked up and shot into the outside wall. Since I'd already said that I would bail when I got lapped, I left. I couldn't even keep from spinning during PRACTICE. That was a joke. :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

That bites John, you did well last night. Some good green flag runs there, I was pleasantly surprised. And 21 racers, great turnout. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > and my motor exploded. >

"John Simmons" wrote... > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me > (sorry Jan), and my motor exploded. Can I join the moaners thread? <g> Indeed, I inadvertantly put myself in a losing position at the occasion of John's spin (no problem, John). From my point of view it appeared I didn't hit him that hard, but I did receive serious engine damage. When I went to get that fixed I fell foul of one of those "passing under yellow" bullshit bf's one gets when pitting while on the speedway (and unsighted) the pack backs up a bit. When we went green again it was obvious I'd lost some 1000rpm off the top end, but that didn't bother me much, what does bother me is that, by NASCAR rules the team is allowed to work on the car when serving a penalty. I'm sorry, but I have neither the agility of mind, neither the dexterity to turn off changing tyres and refuelling when driving online. Anyhow, because I couldn't see the needle on the tag clearly (wheel spoke in the way) I must have sped a little, leading to a 2nd bf - drive through penalty (phew... lucky the crew didn't get to do 3 four-tyre stops in 5 laps). Anyhow, back on the speedway, determined not to repeat last week's DNF. Things are going relatively smoothly, I can still run around 34s dead. Even on the restarts there's a break to get to the top of the track (so I can get out of the way more easily) relatively quickly. I was doing just that on the high groove down the front straight when the 06 and the 45 tripped over eachother as they tried to pass me and eachother. I was taken out by the accident and, though there was little apparent damage, the engine was now dead. Two races, two DNFs... this is year's campaign is going real swell. ;-( Jan. =---

Hey add to that song 'the sun was in my eyes', and you'd have that excuse down pat :) just kidding bud :)) As for the slight damage to your car hurting your performance I am not surprised. N2003 has changed what damage really means. You can barely scrape a wall, get a YES to fix in the F9 window, it take only a few seconds to repair it, see no visible damage on even a fender after fixing it ... and your out of the race. It's like the horsepower monkeys ate all the bananas and ran for the exits. :( -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CV98a.105280$[email hidden]... > "John Simmons" wrote... > > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me > > (sorry Jan), and my motor exploded. > > Can I join the moaners thread? <g> > > Indeed, I inadvertantly put myself in a losing position at the occasion of > John's spin (no problem, John). From my point of view it appeared I didn't > hit him that hard, but I did receive serious engine damage. When I went to > get that fixed I fell foul of one of those "passing under yellow" bullshit > bf's one gets when pitting while on the speedway (and unsighted) the pack > backs up a bit. > > When we went green again it was obvious I'd lost some 1000rpm off the top > end, but that didn't bother me much, what does bother me is that, by NASCAR > rules the team is allowed to work on the car when serving a penalty. I'm > sorry, but I have neither the agility of mind, neither the dexterity to turn > off changing tyres and refuelling when driving online. Anyhow, because I > couldn't see the needle on the tag clearly (wheel spoke in the way) I must > have sped a little, leading to a 2nd bf - drive through penalty (phew... > lucky the crew didn't get to do 3 four-tyre stops in 5 laps). > > Anyhow, back on the speedway, determined not to repeat last week's DNF. > Things are going relatively smoothly, I can still run around 34s dead. Even > on the restarts there's a break to get to the top of the track (so I can get > out of the way more easily) relatively quickly. > > I was doing just that on the high groove down the front straight when the 06 > and the 45 tripped over eachother as they tried to pass me and eachother. I > was taken out by the accident and, though there was little apparent damage, > the engine was now dead. > > Two races, two DNFs... this is year's campaign is going real swell. ;-( > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Tim" wrote... > Hey add to that song 'the sun was in my eyes', and you'd > have that excuse down pat :) > > just kidding bud :)) Hmmmm... I'll let that slide for now. > As for the slight damage to your car hurting your > performance I am not surprised. N2003 has changed what > damage really means. Yes and that's for the better, really. Just I felt like a little moaning. > You can barely scrape a wall, get a YES to fix in the > F9 window, it take only a few seconds to repair it, see > no visible damage on even a fender after fixing it ... > and your out of the race. It's like the horsepower > monkeys ate all the bananas and ran for the exits. That's what gets me a bit, but it wouldn't fixable damage be cosmetic anyway? -So why sacrifice performance to actually make it that way? Jan. =---

In article <CV98a.105280$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Indeed, I inadvertantly put myself in a losing position at the occasion of >John's spin (no problem, John). From my point of view it appeared I didn't >hit him that hard, but I did receive serious engine damage. When I went to >get that fixed I fell foul of one of those "passing under yellow" bullshit >bf's one gets when pitting while on the speedway (and unsighted) the pack >backs up a bit. F2 screen, Jan... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Those last 15 or so laps was really challenging for me. I never could get the passover down. Otherwise, I think I could have taken 6th away from Ed. After the kids go to sleep, think I'll watch this race again. ..... . grub

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > F2 screen, Jan... 1) real NASCAR drivers don't have an F2 screen, routinely pass drivers still on the speedway when entering pit road after receiving damage and don't get a penalty. Real officials know they can hardly look right and are gonna be disadvantaged by remaining stationary for a long time anyway. 2) Like I said, I don't have the dexterity to fiddle with F-key screens when I'm driving. The F2-screen, when set to showing instant intervals is a major distraction. I don't want that in my peripheral vision as a matter of course. I'll look into mapping wheel buttons to these actions... Jan. =---

I was really up for the race, too. Unfortunately, I spent the next two hours looking for a pickup race and found nothing. I wanted to race and there's simply nothing available... In article <iw98a.4005$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 @carolina.rr.com says...

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> That bites John, you did well last night. > > Some good green flag runs there, I was pleasantly surprised. > And 21 racers, great turnout. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > > and my motor exploded. > > > > >

I thought that you had to go dum$ ? Must have been a different JSimmons. :) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I was really up for the race, too. Unfortunately, I spent the next > two hours looking for a pickup race and found nothing. I wanted to > race and there's simply nothing available... > > > > In article <iw98a.4005$[email hidden]>, jwhite15 > @carolina.rr.com says... > > That bites John, you did well last night. > > > > Some good green flag runs there, I was pleasantly surprised. > > And 21 racers, great turnout. > > > > -- > > Tim White > > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]... > > > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > > > and my motor exploded. > > > > > > > > >

Well I finally had a decent race going and was moving up slowly, mostly due to other people's misfortune, but moving forward. I didn't botch my pitstop or speed in the pit lane and was in 7th place, I came around the tri-oval and was putting a pass on, I believe it was #48, and then I took the inside and BAM! right into somebody, I never heard my spotter say "inside" though, I guess it happened too fast. Sorry for taking anybody out! I was unfixable and had to retire, Damn, I was really stoked because I was hanging in there too, not great, but I've never raced online or on ovals before these two races and a couple practice races, so it's still all new to me. I do like it, hope I don't get in anyone's way too much. Joe Saxon (#06 Punisher6) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > and my motor exploded. >

In article <oYc8a.106833$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >2) Like I said, I don't have the dexterity to fiddle with F-key screens when >I'm driving. The F2-screen, when set to showing instant intervals is a major >distraction. I don't want that in my peripheral vision as a matter of >course. > Ok. I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to worry about who's lapping me, or just catching me after a restart. >I'll look into mapping wheel buttons to these actions...I don't have any extra buttons... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I came around the tri-oval >and was putting a pass on, I believe it was #48, and then I took the inside >and BAM! right into somebody, I never heard my spotter say "inside" though, >I guess it happened too fast. Sorry Actually you were passing Jan (17) and I (45) was passing you low. No problem it happens. It was just surprising because we had so much room available. Sorry it made Jan's bad day even worse. Didn't realize either until I watched the replay how close Ginger came to getting into it. Dan

Eldred I got a lot of buttons on my wheel but dont know how to program them. I started to read the instructions once, but got frustrated. My wheel is a thrustmaster pro digital usb. The F2 screen is a good one expecially if you are lapped and want to stay out of the leaders way. It is kinda nerve racking though. If you catch youself starring at the F2 screen too much, you'll find yourself in the same predicament as racing through your rear view mirror....in the wall or in a wreck. These sims require that you be smooth. Smooth going in, and smooth going out. Sometimes quick, and sometimes slow. Consistent stroke after stroke. Lap after lap. When your done, and you lasted till the end, without a premature wreck, then you can say that you have done something. It may not be the best you ever had, but at least you finished. Is the room getting hot, or is it just me? grub "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <oYc8a.106833$[email hidden]>, "JanVerschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >2) Like I said, I don't have the dexterity to fiddle with F-key screenswhen > >I'm driving. The F2-screen, when set to showing instant intervals is amajor > >distraction. I don't want that in my peripheral vision as a matter of > >course. > > > > Ok. I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to worry aboutwho's

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> lapping me, or just catching me after a restart. > > >I'll look into mapping wheel buttons to these actions... > I don't have any extra buttons... :-( > > Eldred > > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Eldred > I got a lot of buttons on my wheel but dont know how to program them. I > started to read the instructions once, but got frustrated. My wheel is a > thrustmaster pro digital usb. The F2 screen is a good one expecially if you > are lapped and want to stay out of the leaders way. It is kinda nerve > racking though. If you catch youself starring at the F2 screen too much, > you'll find yourself in the same predicament as racing through your rear > view mirror....in the wall or in a wreck. > These sims require that you be smooth. Smooth going in, and smooth going > out. Sometimes quick, and sometimes slow. Consistent stroke after stroke. > Lap after lap. When your done, and you lasted till the end, without a > premature wreck, then you can say that you have done something. It may not > be the best you ever had, but at least you finished. > > Is the room getting hot, or is it just me? >

I use the straights to check the live interval. For the turns, I concentrate on spinning the car artfully.

I figured out what Dave and me did wrong at that final yellow. It appears we both took the yellow in the pits and when we exited we stayed behind the pace-car. At that point we were 2nd and 3rd behind the pace-car, but our time read something like 1:33 with 10th and 11th place. My guess is that we should have passed the pace-car right away instead of waiting for the final lap. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that during the final yellow lap you're not allowed to pass the pace-car anymore. Oh well, always things to learn.:) Apart from this I had a fine race, enjoyed racing you guys again. Cheers, jurjen

To be honest I was pissed until I looked at the replay. I thought you ran into me while trying to pass, but I was the one who went off line and went for the low line. I just wish I would have gotten an "inside" from my squatter. Gotta love those replays, "oh man, it WAS my fault!!" Joe "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I came around the tri-oval > >and was putting a pass on, I believe it was #48, and then I took theinside > >and BAM! right into somebody, I never heard my spotter say "inside"though, > >I guess it happened too fast. Sorry > > Actually you were passing Jan (17) and I (45) was passing you low. Noproblem > it happens. It was just surprising because we had so much room available.Sorry > it made Jan's bad day even worse. Didn't realize either until I watchedthe > replay how close Ginger came to getting into it. > Dan

>To be honest I was pissed until I looked at the replay. I thought you ran >into me while trying to pass, but I was the one who went off line and went >for the low line I know. I saw the "nice" that you typed. Something we all had to learn...watch the replay before hollering. We can always bitch here later :) Now if this would spread to Papy.....RIGHT !!!!! Dan

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > Ok. I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to > worry about who's lapping me, or just catching me after a > restart. Turn it off. It's way out of your line of sight, checking that has got to be slowing you down. Besides what extra information to you get from it? You don't need a number to tell you someone's getting closer in the mirror. I can see the use for getting used to leaving a proper gap when pacing or, as you suggested, make sure you hold your relative position when it's hard to see the other competitors due to lateral separation, but that's about it. You can spot Tim carving up the field a mile away on some tracks. ;-)) > > <snip> > I don't have any extra buttons... :-( I don't think I have enough to spare either (3). Hmmm, gotta fix this... I'm "stretched" too much hunting around for all these damned keys. With gloves on to boot! Jan. =---

Grub/Larry, Do you use the TM software? It's been a couple years since I used the PD2 but IIRC it didn't support dual axis pedals in XP. Check the TM site and see if they did actually ever release the XP software (if you are running XP that is). That AFAIK is the only way to use more than the standard 4DX buttons on your wheel.. I cant imagine not having the F2 screen up as I race. Mitch > > Eldred > > I got a lot of buttons on my wheel but dont know how to programthem. I > > started to read the instructions once, but got frustrated. My wheel is a > > thrustmaster pro digital usb. The F2 screen is a good one expecially ifyou > > are lapped and want to stay out of the leaders way. It is kinda nerve > > racking though. If you catch youself starring at the F2 screen too much, > > you'll find yourself in the same predicament as racing through your rear > > view mirror....in the wall or in a wreck. > > These sims require that you be smooth. Smooth going in, and smoothgoing > > out. Sometimes quick, and sometimes slow. Consistent stroke afterstroke. > > Lap after lap. When your done, and you lasted till the end, without a > > premature wreck, then you can say that you have done something. It maynot

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> > be the best you ever had, but at least you finished. > > > > Is the room getting hot, or is it just me? > > > > I use the straights to check the live interval. For the turns, I > concentrate on spinning the car artfully. > > >

I simply cannot imagine racing online without having the F2 screen pernamently embedded on my screen. I toggle the other screens, particularly F1, F3, but it goes right back to F2. Wouldn't leave home without it. Heck if your paying any attention to your gauges (kinda like real racers do) what is the difference with the F2? Oh and my spotter calls out lap times too. :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com

There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the inside. Clearly this is not a WC rule, and you should be allow to stay on the outside line. Hopefully this will be fixed in some future patch. I have noticed several bugs with the spotter in offline racing with the AI so its not just us. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e62324e$0$49108$[email hidden]... > I figured out what Dave and me did wrong at that final yellow. > It appears we both took the yellow in the pits and when we exited we stayed > behind the pace-car. At that point we were 2nd and 3rd behind the pace-car, > but our time read something like 1:33 with 10th and 11th place. > > My guess is that we should have passed the pace-car right away instead of > waiting for the final lap. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that during > the final yellow lap you're not allowed to pass the pace-car anymore. > > Oh well, always things to learn.:) > > Apart from this I had a fine race, enjoyed racing you guys again. > > Cheers, jurjen

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:hvs8a.66379$[email hidden]: > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the > inside. Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader, both in the same lap?

Your kind with the compliment Jan, but really, the F2 screen is a tremendous value for everyone, mostly when when you are racing long runs. You can tell where you are better, or worse, on the track than someone else. (Early on, I could see where Brian and Mitch would gain in one turn, and loose it in the other). If you just set it at S/F track position you won't know where your losing or gaining on the track, especially when there is braking involved. You can tell who in front of you and behind you are the ones you are racing with, versus someone comming up on you who may be a lap+ down, so don't sweat it if they are aggressive and want to get by, let em go. You can tell if your gaining on someone, or they are gaining on you, so change your line, pick it up, etc. Saturday, Ginger was running me down on that last run. I knew I wasn't driving any different so I was hoping he was cooking his tires, which it turned out he was. But I didn't know that for sure, and since G wasn't around me all day; coming from the back, I had no way of knowing. So while I was fairly confident I knew what I was doing, I wasn't confident that I was any better than him. The F2 screen allowed me to measure my effort, with how many laps left, and how much I had to push my car to not let him whiff a draft. If we caught a late caution, I wanted to make sure I had at least as good a tire wear left as he, hopefully better. The only way I could do this is using the F2 screen to only work my car as hard as I needed to. I've heard of a lot of people not liking all the activity the F2 screen gives you. With some hardware it even has an extra hit on your frame rate. But the spotter isn't doing what real life crew chiefs do for you which is calling out someone elses lap times, telling you if someone is gaining, or if your the fastest out there, etc. The F2 screen is the sims answer to that. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WYr8a.113183$[email hidden]... > "EldredP" wrote... > > > <snip> > > Ok. I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to > > worry about who's lapping me, or just catching me after a > > restart. > > Turn it off. It's way out of your line of sight, checking that has got to be > slowing you down. Besides what extra information to you get from it? You > don't need a number to tell you someone's getting closer in the mirror. > > I can see the use for getting used to leaving a proper gap when pacing or, > as you suggested, make sure you hold your relative position when it's hard > to see the other competitors due to lateral separation, but that's about it. > You can spot Tim carving up the field a mile away on some tracks. ;-)) > > > > <snip> > > I don't have any extra buttons... :-( > > I don't think I have enough to spare either (3). Hmmm, gotta fix this... I'm > "stretched" too much hunting around for all these damned keys. With gloves > on to boot! > > Jan. > =--- > >

Yes. It worked in earlier sims so I'm not sure what happened with N2003. In real life, what can happen is your on the lead lap, the caution comes out and for whatever reason you elect not to pit. The pace car always picks up the leader. But then you all come around and every one from the leader back pits except for you (For whatever reason your crew chief tells you to stay out). But you (and maybe the pace car) don't manage to cross the S/F on the track before the leaders pass it on pit row. They come out but they are still scored as the leader but now they are behind you. Another way is your down a lap, the caution comes out. When the leaders pit you pass them and now your back on the lead lap but when the second lap comes around and the lapped cars can now pit you stay out. Your still on the lead leap now because of them pitting but your in front of them. You can't pass the pace car after the track is under full caution so your on the lead lap, stuck between the pace car and the leaders. The WC rule about double file restarts is all cars on the lead lap stay on the outside, all cars down one or more laps go inside. Although the pace car always picks up the leader, double file restarts have nothing to do with what position the leader is in. There are a lot of other instances where this can happen these are just the most common. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Jle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:hvs8a.66379$[email hidden]: > > > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the > > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the > > inside. > > Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader, > both in the same lap? > >

Jurgen, I think what happened to you guys is that when the yellow was first thrown you guys were a few seconds back. The lead group quickly caught up to the pace car at T3-4 and the pits were closed on that pass by for whatever reason, maybe cause the yellow came out just as the leaders came to the flagstand? You guys came in not knowing the lead pack had already bypassed the pits that lap. When I came into the pits it was madness. I couldnt figure out at the time what the heck was goin on. All I know is guys were comin out at a very unexpected moment for me :/ Is it me or is it nearly impossible to pit when the guy just in front of your stall is in his pit. I pulled in a little hot but had almost no turning radius and had to squirm into my stall losing a bunch of spots at the wrong time (32 to go). I did make sure that the Low speed turning radius thingy was checked. Mitch "Jle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:hvs8a.66379$[email hidden]: > > > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the > > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the > > inside. > > Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader, > both in the same lap? > >

I do the same thing, I allways have f2 up or readily available. When entering the pits under caution I keep one eye on the f2 screen to make sure I don't pass the car in front of me... rather lose a position on pit road then get a bf. Brian On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:55:02 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I simply cannot imagine racing online without having the F2 screen pernamently embedded on my screen. I toggle the other screens, >particularly F1, F3, but it goes right back to F2. Wouldn't leave home without it. Heck if your paying any attention to your >gauges (kinda like real racers do) what is the difference with the F2? > >Oh and my spotter calls out lap times too. > >:)

On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:58:21 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the >inside. Clearly this is not a WC rule, and you should be allow to stay on the outside line. Hopefully this will be fixed in some >future patch. I have noticed several bugs with the spotter in offline racing with the AI so its not just us. Actually, this all ways bugged me about N2002 and on at least one occasion when racing off-line I was pleasantly surprised to see that N2003 had me line up on the outside when I was on the tail-end of the lead lap. Brian Oster

That's a great point. Forgot about that one. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > When entering the pits under caution I keep one eye on the f2 screen to > make sure I don't pass the car in front of me... rather lose a > position on pit road then get a bf. > > Brian >

In article <WYr8a.113183$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" wrote... >> > <snip> >> Ok. I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to >> worry about who's lapping me, or just catching me after a >> restart. > >Turn it off. It's way out of your line of sight, checking that has got to be >slowing you down. Besides what extra information to you get from it? You >don't need a number to tell you someone's getting closer in the mirror.

See my message to Grub... <g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Eldred > I got a lot of buttons on my wheel but dont know how to program them. I >started to read the instructions once, but got frustrated. My wheel is a >thrustmaster pro digital usb. The F2 screen is a good one expecially if you >are lapped and want to stay out of the leaders way. It is kinda nerve >racking though. If you catch youself starring at the F2 screen too much, >you'll find yourself in the same predicament as racing through your rear >view mirror....in the wall or in a wreck. > These sims require that you be smooth. Smooth going in, and smooth going >out. Sometimes quick, and sometimes slow. Consistent stroke after stroke. >Lap after lap. When your done, and you lasted till the end, without a >premature wreck, then you can say that you have done something. It may not >be the best you ever had, but at least you finished. > > Is the room getting hot, or is it just me?

It's just you, Grub...<g> Actually, I find the F2 screen easier to keep an eye on than the mirror. I've had cars sneak up on me without my knowledge. They sort of get 'lost' in the mirror. However, when the F2 readout turns red and starts blinking, you can't miss that. Plus, that also tells me if there are multiple cars running together that I have to let by, or if I can slot in behind the first car. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Me either... I use Game Commander to "talk" my way thru all the menus and to give the crew orders on what to do too.. Very handy program. -- ed_ RASCAR: http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC!

Have you guys tried and voice-commander type software? I use Game Commander myself.... it allow me to do just about anything... --- ed_ RASCAR: http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------------------------------- $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC!

In article <Krw8a.33652$[email hidden]>, edwins [_R_E_M_O_V_E_]@[_T_H_I_S_]online.no says... > Have you guys tried and voice-commander type software? > > I use Game Commander myself.... it allow me to do just about anything... > Things Voice Commander won't help you do: 10. Excite a woman not in your immediate family into a sexual frenzy of desire. (at this point, I expect I've lost 50% of my audience) 9. Attain larger, firmer, more long-lasting erections. (there goes another 25% of the audience, 75% of whom don't know what "erection" means) 8. Get a higher paying job driving a real race car. 7. Get a job with the postal service so you can try out that shiney new AR-15. 6. Get a job. Any job... 5. Graduate from the 7th grade (there goes another 18% of the audience, 17% of wichich are too old to even go to school). 4. There is no 4th thing. 3. There is no 3rd thing (okay, so the ol' idea pit has run dry) 2. You were honestly expecting a 2nd thing? Loser... 1. Drive faster in RASCAR races. (right Eldred?) :)

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > See my message to Grub... <g> I read that and, I have to admit, that does happen. But that's because I wasn't paying attention. I find the NR2K3 mirror very "natural" to use as opposed to previous incarnations (where I used to turn the car interior off). Also, did you notice that, (to my knowledge) for the first time when you look right, the field of view in the mirror changes as if you were actually looking up at it. Very usefull when pulling out of the pits. That said, I don't think I've been in a race long enough to really tell if the odd car gets close without me noticing it in advance. Like I said, the F2 view distracts me and I can't work the different chat and function keys efficiently enough. I gotta fix that. Jan. =---

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>I read that and, I have to admit, that does happen. But that's because I >wasn't paying attention. > >I find the NR2K3 mirror very "natural" to use as opposed to previous >incarnations (where I used to turn the car interior off). Also, did you >notice that, (to my knowledge) for the first time when you look right, the >field of view in the mirror changes as if you were actually looking up at >it. Very usefull when pulling out of the pits. > >That said, I don't think I've been in a race long enough to really tell if >the odd car gets close without me noticing it in advance.

I haven't been in a race long enough to pay close attention to the mirror, either. I just turned off the interior as soon as I hit the track. It didn't matter during my offline practice, and I was at the tail ent of the field in Vegas. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Things Voice Commander won't help you do: > >10. Excite a woman not in your immediate family into a sexual frenzy >of desire. >[snip] . . . > >1. Drive faster in RASCAR races. (right Eldred?) :) <whacks John with a trout> There, I feel better...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <tju8a.66789$[email hidden]>, "Tim" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>That's a great point. Forgot about that one. > >-- >Tim White >www.intracmotorsports.com > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> When entering the pits under caution I keep one eye on the f2 screen to >> make sure I don't pass the car in front of me... rather lose a >> position on pit road then get a bf.

Um...that's what STARTED this discussion. Jan had a BF because of a pit violation, and I suggested that F2 would solve that problem. Eldred - feeling ignored...<g> -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

All I know is the spotter said the pits were now open, so I went in. When I came out the spotter told me where to go and I was forced into being a lap down. David G Fisher "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u8t8a.493$[email hidden]... > Jurgen, I think what happened to you guys is that when the yellow wasfirst > thrown you guys were a few seconds back. The lead group quickly caught up > to the pace car at T3-4 and the pits were closed on that pass by for > whatever reason, maybe cause the yellow came out just as the leaders cameto

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> the flagstand? You guys came in not knowing the lead pack had already > bypassed the pits that lap. When I came into the pits it was madness. I > couldnt figure out at the time what the heck was goin on. All I know is > guys were comin out at a very unexpected moment for me :/ > > Is it me or is it nearly impossible to pit when the guy just in front of > your stall is in his pit. I pulled in a little hot but had almost no > turning radius and had to squirm into my stall losing a bunch of spots at > the wrong time (32 to go). I did make sure that the Low speed turning > radius thingy was checked. > > Mitch > > > "Jle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > news:hvs8a.66379$[email hidden]: > > > > > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the > > > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the > > > inside. > > > > Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader, > > both in the same lap? > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > All I know is the spotter said the pits were now open, so I went in. After watching the replay here's my recollection: -When the yellow was drawn we were between T3 and S/F, the leader had already passed the S/F. -On the backstrectch we passed pace-car and entered the open pit. So we actually took the yellow in the pits. -When we came out we stayed behind the pace-car, which was now on the backstretch. The leader was pitting so we were in front of the leader in the same lap. I'm still puzzled tough, if it would have been allowed if we had passed the pace-car when we came out the pit. cheers, jurjen

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > All I know is the spotter said the pits were now open, so I went in. > > > After watching the replay here's my recollection: > -When the yellow was drawn we were between T3 and S/F, the leader had > already passed the S/F. > -On the backstrectch we passed pace-car and entered the open pit. So we > actually took the yellow in the pits. > -When we came out we stayed behind the pace-car, which was now on the > backstretch. The leader was pitting so we were in front of the leader in > the same lap. > > I'm still puzzled tough, if it would have been allowed if we had passed the > pace-car when we came out the pit. >

Sounds like a bug in the sim.

John, you really need to have a talk with your Motor Shop :) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > and my motor exploded. >

he told me the same thing David. I slammed on the brakes and started to go for it but knew that the leader hadn't come around yet. I decided to avoid you and go on around. I was cussing myself until I heard that you got the BF for entering a closed pit. I am going to watch for that red flag from now on. My spotter lies too!! grub "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > All I know is the spotter said the pits were now open, so I went in. > > When I came out the spotter told me where to go and I was forced intobeing

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> a lap down. > > David G Fisher > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:u8t8a.493$[email hidden]... > > Jurgen, I think what happened to you guys is that when the yellow was > first > > thrown you guys were a few seconds back. The lead group quickly caught

up > > to the pace car at T3-4 and the pits were closed on that pass by for > > whatever reason, maybe cause the yellow came out just as the leaderscame > to > > the flagstand? You guys came in not knowing the lead pack had already > > bypassed the pits that lap. When I came into the pits it was madness.I > > couldnt figure out at the time what the heck was goin on. All I know is > > guys were comin out at a very unexpected moment for me :/ > > > > Is it me or is it nearly impossible to pit when the guy just in front of > > your stall is in his pit. I pulled in a little hot but had almost no > > turning radius and had to squirm into my stall losing a bunch of spotsat

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> > the wrong time (32 to go). I did make sure that the Low speed turning > > radius thingy was checked. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > "Jle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > news:hvs8a.66379$[email hidden]: > > > > > > > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the > > > > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the > > > > inside. > > > > > > Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the

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> > > both in the same lap? > > > > > > > > > > > >

It SHOULD have been 22 :( I was absolutely going to be there, but I made a huge mistake. I trusted my Cable Company. My neighborhood was finally 'upgraded' to Digital Cable last week. The old cable system used a dual-trunk system (2 cables - A line and B line) and the new system uses a single 'A' cable. In the old system, Data was carried on the B cable. It was a mandatory change to have a "B-Cable Crossover" procedure done to move your modem to the "A" line. You don't have much choice because they are cutting off the "B" cable in a weeks time. So, SuperTech (tm) comes out at 11am on Friday to do my mandatory "B Cable Crossover" to move my Cable Modem to the "A" line. He started at 11am Friday morning. That was the last I saw of my Internet Connection for FOUR FRIGGIN' DAYS! Heaven forbid they actually TEST this shit before changing people over. I just got it back a few hours ago (Monday). And they would not allow me to change back to the "B" side until they fixed it. The guy actually LEFT me without connectivity on Friday. He said "My job is to change it, that's all". Oh, I gotta stop talking about this before I have a siezure. Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iw98a.4005$[email hidden]...

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> That bites John, you did well last night. > > Some good green flag runs there, I was pleasantly surprised. > And 21 racers, great turnout. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]... > > Crap. I spun myself in turn 3 on lap 1, Jan t-boned me (sorry Jan), > > and my motor exploded. > > > >

I use F2 all the time. If I'm damaged and slower, I use F2/Space (split time) to see who's about to run over me so I can get the hell out of the way :) I also use F2/Split after exiting the pits to watch my closure rate on the pack when coming around. Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kMs8a.66451$[email hidden]... > Your kind with the compliment Jan, but really, the F2 screen is atremendous value for everyone, mostly when when you are racing > long runs. > > You can tell where you are better, or worse, on the track than someoneelse. (Early on, I could see where Brian and Mitch would gain > in one turn, and loose it in the other). If you just set it at S/F trackposition you won't know where your losing or gaining on > the track, especially when there is braking involved. > You can tell who in front of you and behind you are the ones you areracing with, versus someone comming up on you who may be a lap+ > down, so don't sweat it if they are aggressive and want to get by, let emgo. > You can tell if your gaining on someone, or they are gaining on you, sochange your line, pick it up, etc. > > Saturday, Ginger was running me down on that last run. I knew I wasn'tdriving any different so I was hoping he was cooking his > tires, which it turned out he was. But I didn't know that for sure, andsince G wasn't around me all day; coming from the back, I > had no way of knowing. So while I was fairly confident I knew what I wasdoing, I wasn't confident that I was any better than him. > The F2 screen allowed me to measure my effort, with how many laps left,and how much I had to push my car to not let him whiff a > draft. If we caught a late caution, I wanted to make sure I had at leastas good a tire wear left as he, hopefully better. The > only way I could do this is using the F2 screen to only work my car ashard as I needed to. > > I've heard of a lot of people not liking all the activity the F2 screengives you. With some hardware it even has an extra hit on > your frame rate. But the spotter isn't doing what real life crew chiefsdo for you which is calling out someone elses lap times, > telling you if someone is gaining, or if your the fastest out there, etc.The F2 screen is the sims answer to that.

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> > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > <snip> > > > Ok. I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to > > > worry about who's lapping me, or just catching me after a > > > restart. > > > > Turn it off. It's way out of your line of sight, checking that has got

to be > > slowing you down. Besides what extra information to you get from it? You > > don't need a number to tell you someone's getting closer in the mirror. > > > > I can see the use for getting used to leaving a proper gap when pacingor, > > as you suggested, make sure you hold your relative position when it'shard > > to see the other competitors due to lateral separation, but that's aboutit. > > You can spot Tim carving up the field a mile away on some tracks. ;-)) > > > > > > <snip> > > > I don't have any extra buttons... :-( > > > > I don't think I have enough to spare either (3). Hmmm, gotta fix this...I'm > > "stretched" too much hunting around for all these damned keys. Withgloves

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> > on to boot! > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > > > > >

I use F2 all the time. If I'm damaged and slower, I use F2/Space (split time) to see who's about to run over me so I can get the hell out of the way :) I also use F2/Split after exiting the pits to watch my closure rate on the pack when coming around. Larry tremendous value for everyone, mostly when when you are racing else. (Early on, I could see where Brian and Mitch would gain position you won't know where your losing or gaining on racing with, versus someone comming up on you who may be a lap+ change your line, pick it up, etc. driving any different so I was hoping he was cooking his since G wasn't around me all day; coming from the back, I doing, I wasn't confident that I was any better than him. and how much I had to push my car to not let him whiff a as good a tire wear left as he, hopefully better. The hard as I needed to. gives you. With some hardware it even has an extra hit on do for you which is calling out someone elses lap times, The F2 screen is the sims answer to that. > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com

Yeah, I got bit by this bug at the Rock :( Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hvs8a.66379$[email hidden]... > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the leadlap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the > inside. Clearly this is not a WC rule, and you should be allow to stay onthe outside line. Hopefully this will be fixed in some > future patch. I have noticed several bugs with the spotter in offlineracing with the AI so its not just us.

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> > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:3e62324e$0$49108$[email hidden]... > > I figured out what Dave and me did wrong at that final yellow. > > It appears we both took the yellow in the pits and when we exited westayed > > behind the pace-car. At that point we were 2nd and 3rd behind thepace-car, > > but our time read something like 1:33 with 10th and 11th place. > > > > My guess is that we should have passed the pace-car right away insteadof > > waiting for the final lap. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think thatduring

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> > the final yellow lap you're not allowed to pass the pace-car anymore. > > > > Oh well, always things to learn.:) > > > > Apart from this I had a fine race, enjoyed racing you guys again. > > > > Cheers, jurjen > >

Yeah, I got bit by this bug at the Rock :( Larry lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the the outside line. Hopefully this will be fixed in some racing with the AI so its not just us. > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com