RASCAR: Atlanta Race. Well, how did it go?

Well, how did the race go? Who won and who is pissed off and why? Start sounding off guys. I had to leave and did not get a chance to see the end. :( grub

In article <[email hidden]>, "grubbat" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well, how did the race go? Who won and who is pissed off and why? Start >sounding off guys. I had to leave and did not get a chance to see the end. >:( > BOster won... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > BOster won... :-) One of the faster guys won... no surprises there. That last green stint was too short for me to reel you back in. You were pretty good on new tyres there Eldred... kudos. Jan. =--- PS. : some way to treat a sponsor... sheesh!! ;-))

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> "EldredP" wrote... > > BOster won... :-) > > One of the faster guys won... no surprises there. That last green stint was > too short for me to reel you back in. You were pretty good on new tyres > there Eldred... kudos. >

I spent 12 hours moving furntiture, rippinging up old carpet and padding, removing about 10 sq feet of cermaic tile (that took 3 hours all by itself), and we're a little more than half-way through with laying 600 sq feet of laminate wood flooring. Believe me when I say I'd rather be racing...

In article <Vswaa.2787$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >"EldredP" wrote... >> BOster won... :-) > >One of the faster guys won... no surprises there. That last green stint was >too short for me to reel you back in. You were pretty good on new tyres >there Eldred... kudos. Thanks! >Jan. >=--- >PS. : some way to treat a sponsor... sheesh!! ;-)) Hehe... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I spent 12 hours moving furntiture, rippinging up old carpet and >padding, removing about 10 sq feet of cermaic tile (that took 3 hours >all by itself), and we're a little more than half-way through with >laying 600 sq feet of laminate wood flooring. > >Believe me when I say I'd rather be racing... Whew... I need to put down some tile in my basement, but it will be the standard vinyl stuff. I couldn't afford the wood laminate... I'm sure that even THAT will be a chore. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"grubbat" wrote... > Well, how did the race go? Who won and who is pissed > off and why? Start sounding off guys. I had to leave > and did not get a chance to see the end. > :( Well, it was alright really. Guys this side of the pond were all experiencing bad quality and quite some position warping occurred (I must have been hopping about quite a bit). It went relatively green (just 5 cautions again). I got involved in some of the action but, possibly because I really was warping this time, I didn't receive any terminal damage. I misjudged Dan O'Brien (Bamadano)'s position badly after he'd been involved in an incident and T-Boned him hard. I'm sorry about that, my fault entirely. Especially after getting a bit terse with him after we got together avoiding an earlier incident. Which just goes to show a little tolerance goes a long way towards not ending up with egg on your face.<g> Another instance had nearly the entire field involved. Kyle Roberts got into a bit of a huff about it, but I don't know what really happened and I think most of the other drivers haven't a clue either. Things just stacked up and people had nowhere to go. Gonna have to piece that one together with the aid of the server replay. Had a couple of relatively good dices with Steve Brunt, who seemed slow winding up, but was ok and even faster than me once he got going. What was going on there Steve? Anyhow, like I said, 't was alright Craig. Too bad you had to leave. Jan. =---

I had a pretty decent race up until an incident near the end (probably the last caution). My car had gone head on into the wall and the crew said something about an engine problem. It must have improved the handling too as I could go almost flat out through the corners at the end :) Some good racing along the way. Steve "Jan Verschueren" > Had a couple of relatively good dices with Steve Brunt, who seemed slow > winding up, but was ok and even faster than me once he got going. What was > going on there Steve? >

My connection was sort of bad. My Q's were low. I had an early warp accidents when someone passed me. After that the engine wouldn't pull. I pitted and it took 3 laps to fix. I quit not to long after that. I think I was 5-6 laps down by that point, ZZ Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

In article <[email hidden]>, ZZ Busch <[email hidden]> writes: >My connection was sort of bad. My Q's were low. I had an early warp >accidents when someone passed me. I'm not sure what was going on there. Other leagues had connection issues as well yesterday. I guess the students are killing our network this week. There must be some new band CD or movie out, and KaZaa is ruling the network... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

We experienced connection issues in our league on Friday night as well, quality in general seemed to be lower than normal for most drivers. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, ZZ Busch > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >My connection was sort of bad. My Q's were low. I had an early warp > >accidents when someone passed me. > > I'm not sure what was going on there. Other leagues had connection issues

as > well yesterday. I guess the students are killing our network this week.There > must be some new band CD or movie out, and KaZaa is ruling the network...:-(

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> > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9mEaa.3197$[email hidden]... > Another instance had nearly the entire field involved. Kyle Roberts gotinto > a bit of a huff about it, but I don't know what really happened and Ithink > most of the other drivers haven't a clue either. Things just stacked upand > people had nowhere to go. Gonna have to piece that one together with theaid > of the server replay. I was far from a huff. One comment at the heat of the moment followed up with a "No problem" to the other driver. That will happen when you are spun twice in less than 5 laps. Kyle

> I misjudged Dan O'Brien (Bamadano)'s position >badly after he'd been involved in an incident and T-Boned him hard. I'm >sorry about that, my fault entirely. Especially after getting a bit terse >with him after we got together avoiding an earlier incident I needed to be gotten terse with on that 1st incident. The yellow was out and I didn't slow nearly enough and ran over you Jan. Entirely my fault and I really feel bad about that one. My apologies again. As for the T-boning....my car was alreay dead. I was just kinda cruising through turn 4 trying not to get into the back of (Eldred I think) when I got punted by 99 into the wall killing the motor. Sorry you got caught up in that one too. Glad this is just a sim or I would be at the big red truck for that boneheaded under yellow accident. :( Dan

I had a good time. My goal going in was to save rubber but the yellows we did have seemed to be at the wrong time for me to get an advantage. DGF did an early stop just before the yellow came out which really surprised me cause my RF hadnt even been in the yellow all to long. I was right up front when we had the slowdown and Im not real sure why Tim and Brian slowed so drastically. I nearly clipped Tim in the process. Im no fan of racing back to the yellow anyway but I sure will if thats the deal. It was a warpy all race. Tim was making a pass low for 2nd but I prolly pinched a little more than I shoulda. He warped up into me and I hit the wall pretty hard but flush so damage was minimized. The car was never the same though, unfortunately. Mitch "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QAKaa.2350$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9mEaa.3197$[email hidden]... > > Another instance had nearly the entire field involved. Kyle Roberts got > into > > a bit of a huff about it, but I don't know what really happened and I > think > > most of the other drivers haven't a clue either. Things just stacked up > and > > people had nowhere to go. Gonna have to piece that one together with the > aid > > of the server replay. > > I was far from a huff. One comment at the heat of the moment followed up > with a "No problem" to the other driver. That will happen when you are

spun > twice in less than 5 laps. > > Kyle > >

First, I'm real sorry we slowed up like that. With last years racing Brian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying to give laps back. I can really trust him when we are running so close together. In any other league, where you run for points, I'd say screw it; if your right there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution. But RASCAR is about give and take, or I thought, until Brian and I got snookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the lapped cars and put us both back. One thing I like about RASCAR is that there are very few rules, and most things are left up to the sim, and the concern racers at RASCAR have for clean, fun racing. I can't speak for anyone else, but in the future I will probably work a lot less on giving laps back. This isn't to slight anyone, and I've been given laps back as well, but I don't know what else to do other than not allow passing with lead lap cars when the caution comes out until 10 to go. Even still, there are lapped cars who race the leaders with less than 10 to go, and possibly altering the outcome, and no one seems to be concerned about that. So, accept my apologies for slowing up like that, or not in the future, and hopefully I can do better. And also accept my apologies for punting lapped cars with 5 to go. :) Second, the warping surely caused you to wreck Mitch. I saw you there, and you were nowhere near pinching me down, even if you were close, you gave me plenty of room. I 100% feel if the connections had been normal there would have been no problem. Now, if I can figure out how Brian can drive that setup so fast on fresh tires, I'll be a happy camper. :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9aLaa.111$[email hidden]... > I had a good time. My goal going in was to save rubber but the yellows we > did have seemed to be at the wrong time for me to get an advantage. DGF did > an early stop just before the yellow came out which really surprised me > cause my RF hadnt even been in the yellow all to long. > > I was right up front when we had the slowdown and Im not real sure why Tim > and Brian slowed so drastically. I nearly clipped Tim in the process. Im > no fan of racing back to the yellow anyway but I sure will if thats the > deal. > > It was a warpy all race. Tim was making a pass low for 2nd but I prolly > pinched a little more than I shoulda. He warped up into me and I hit the > wall pretty hard but flush so damage was minimized. The car was never the > same though, unfortunately. > > Mitch >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FePaa.46438$[email hidden]... > First, I'm real sorry we slowed up like that. With last years racingBrian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying > to give laps back. I can really trust him when we are running so closetogether. > > In any other league, where you run for points, I'd say screw it; if yourright there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution. > > But RASCAR is about give and take, or I thought, until Brian and I gotsnookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the > lapped cars and put us both back. You guys weren't snookered. Everyone was racing back to the line and went through T1 and T2 full speed after Brian spun on the front straight and the yellow came out. Coming out of T2 I was in fourth right behind Mitch and at the exact same moment you and Brian decided to slow, I was making my move on Mitch to the inside. He had to slow for you and I ended up shooting past him and both of you. Just watch the replay from inside my car and you'll see what I was looking at the timing of everything. I didn't even realize you and Brian were giving a lap back until we were under caution. I'm sure Mitch and Ginger didn't know what you were doing either. I thought one of you got loose and had to slow coming out of T2. It would of been better to wait until farther down the back straight and type "lap", since we were all bunched up and racing back to the line coming out of T2. David G Fisher

Snookered is kinda harsh dontchya tink? I really didnt want to pass you all cause I knew you would just re-pass me in the very near future :0 but Dave went past and I knew it was jamming up fast and hard behind me and I wasnt real sure you guys didnt have a problem of sorts. Dave and I were havin one hell of a fun battle so my attention wasnt directly in front hehe :) I would really say it's ootrd due to not having a rule for no-passing under caution. We need that rule just so everyone knows whats going to happen when a yellow comes out and guys want there laps back. I mean thats what were talkin about right? And Brian you HUSH :) Tim don't need no help, but you can tell me, Ill be quiet :)) snip > Now, if I can figure out how Brian can drive that setup >so fast on freshtires, I'll be a happy camper. :) Mitch "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FePaa.46438$[email hidden]... > First, I'm real sorry we slowed up like that. With last years racingBrian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying > to give laps back. I can really trust him when we are running so closetogether. > > In any other league, where you run for points, I'd say screw it; if yourright there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution. > > But RASCAR is about give and take, or I thought, until Brian and I gotsnookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the > lapped cars and put us both back. > > One thing I like about RASCAR is that there are very few rules, and mostthings are left up to the sim, and the concern racers at > RASCAR have for clean, fun racing. > > I can't speak for anyone else, but in the future I will probably work alot less on giving laps back. This isn't to slight anyone, > and I've been given laps back as well, but I don't know what else to doother than not allow passing with lead lap cars when the > caution comes out until 10 to go. > > Even still, there are lapped cars who race the leaders with less than 10to go, and possibly altering the outcome, and no one seems > to be concerned about that. > > So, accept my apologies for slowing up like that, or not in the future,and hopefully I can do better. And also accept my apologies > for punting lapped cars with 5 to go. :) > > Second, the warping surely caused you to wreck Mitch. I saw you there,and you were nowhere near pinching me down, even if you were > close, you gave me plenty of room. I 100% feel if the connections hadbeen normal there would have been no problem. > > Now, if I can figure out how Brian can drive that setup so fast on freshtires, I'll be a happy camper. :) > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > >

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I misjudged Dan O'Brien (Bamadano)'s position > >badly after he'd been involved in an incident and T-Boned him hard. I'm > >sorry about that, my fault entirely. Especially after getting a bit terse > >with him after we got together avoiding an earlier incident > > I needed to be gotten terse with on that 1st incident. The yellow was outand I > didn't slow nearly enough and ran over you Jan. Entirely my fault and Ireally > feel bad about that one. My apologies again. As for the T-boning....my carwas > alreay dead. I was just kinda cruising through turn 4 trying not to getinto > the back of (Eldred I think) when I got punted by 99 into the wall killingthe > motor. Sorry you got caught up in that one too. Glad this is just a sim orI > would be at the big red truck for that boneheaded under yellow accident.:( > Dan #99. Um-m that would be me. (Mike Kay aka Elrikk) I am sorry for that one myself. I had been following you and Eldred for a couple of laps and you looked like you were taking a run at E (after not quite getting by him in the previous couple of corners) but then slowed behind him. I had committed to following you by and noticed to late that you were slowing. My misjudgement of the situation. I like to think that I have been learning from E's good example and attemptimg to be a "gentleman driver". Will keep trying to do so. Elrikk PS. The person I feel even worse about is #49 ZZ Bush. I slid up into him early in the race and it was completely my fault. Sorry ZZ. Mea Maxima Culpa. Definately not one of my better days. :o(

Couldn't agree with you more Tim. The incident that everyone is complaining about I only slowed to about 3/4 throttle and I knew the second the yellow came out that Tim would be doing the same. I figured that was safe enough. I guess if everyone is not on the same page it can cause problems. I have been given my share of laps back as well, and I will probably still give laps back if the field is strung out and I have a lap car right behind me but I probably won't be so inclined to give laps back if I think there is the slightest chance it will cause more problems. Actually there was an incident when Farmer (I think) was a lap down and we had just restarted where I didn't try to give a lap back. I wasn't being an asshole, I was just too close to the S/F line and I would have had to slam on my brakes. BTW, I like our current rules where we race back to the line, but quite frankly I usually let up a little when the yellow comes out. Chances are if I haven't got around the guy in front of me for the last 20 laps, a bonzai move coming to the yellow isn't going to work either. Brian On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:28:53 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>First, I'm real sorry we slowed up like that. With last years racing Brian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying >to give laps back. I can really trust him when we are running so close together. > >In any other league, where you run for points, I'd say screw it; if your right there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution. > >But RASCAR is about give and take, or I thought, until Brian and I got snookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the >lapped cars and put us both back. > >One thing I like about RASCAR is that there are very few rules, and most things are left up to the sim, and the concern racers at >RASCAR have for clean, fun racing. > >I can't speak for anyone else, but in the future I will probably work a lot less on giving laps back. This isn't to slight anyone, >and I've been given laps back as well, but I don't know what else to do other than not allow passing with lead lap cars when the >caution comes out until 10 to go. > >Even still, there are lapped cars who race the leaders with less than 10 to go, and possibly altering the outcome, and no one seems >to be concerned about that. > >So, accept my apologies for slowing up like that, or not in the future, and hopefully I can do better. And also accept my apologies >for punting lapped cars with 5 to go. :) > >Second, the warping surely caused you to wreck Mitch. I saw you there, and you were nowhere near pinching me down, even if you were >close, you gave me plenty of room. I 100% feel if the connections had been normal there would have been no problem. > >Now, if I can figure out how Brian can drive that setup so fast on fresh tires, I'll be a happy camper. :)

It's no big deal. I WAS slowing to give laps back. I haven't watched the replay yet, but you will probably see me lift a little and go way high in T3/4 to let people by on the inside. It really dosen't bother me too much if I get passed while giving a lap back... it may have just been because they couldn't slow enough to avoid me and not cause a problem, they didn't realize what I was doing, or what ever. If I am out front because I am fast then I will just pass them back (although I did have one hell of a time trying to pass people Sat.). And, like I said before, I don't want any new rule about not passing under yellow, etc. The rules in the sim are enough. Just use common sense people, watch the pro's and see how they act in different situations and simply emmulate. Brian Oster On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:11:10 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Snookered is kinda harsh dontchya tink? I really didnt want to pass you all >cause I knew you would just re-pass me in the very near future :0 but Dave >went past and I knew it was jamming up fast and hard behind me and I wasnt >real sure you guys didnt have a problem of sorts. Dave and I were havin one >hell of a fun battle so my attention wasnt directly in front hehe :) I >would really say it's ootrd due to not having a rule for no-passing under >caution. We need that rule just so everyone knows whats going to happen >when a yellow comes out and guys want there laps back. I mean thats what >were talkin about right? > >And Brian you HUSH :) Tim don't need no help, but you can tell me, Ill be >quiet :)) > >snip >> Now, if I can figure out how Brian can drive that setup >so fast on fresh >tires, I'll be a happy camper. :) > > >Mitch > >"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:FePaa.46438$[email hidden]... >> First, I'm real sorry we slowed up like that. With last years racing >Brian and I have pretty much gotten used to each other trying >> to give laps back. I can really trust him when we are running so close >together. >> >> In any other league, where you run for points, I'd say screw it; if your >right there with me fine, otherwise, maybe next caution. >> >> But RASCAR is about give and take, or I thought, until Brian and I got >snookered by 3-5th place racing back to a yellow with the >> lapped cars and put us both back. >> >> One thing I like about RASCAR is that there are very few rules, and most >things are left up to the sim, and the concern racers at >> RASCAR have for clean, fun racing. >> >> I can't speak for anyone else, but in the future I will probably work a >lot less on giving laps back. This isn't to slight anyone, >> and I've been given laps back as well, but I don't know what else to do >other than not allow passing with lead lap cars when the >> caution comes out until 10 to go. >> >> Even still, there are lapped cars who race the leaders with less than 10 >to go, and possibly altering the outcome, and no one seems >> to be concerned about that. >> >> So, accept my apologies for slowing up like that, or not in the future, >and hopefully I can do better. And also accept my apologies >> for punting lapped cars with 5 to go. :) >> >> Second, the warping surely caused you to wreck Mitch. I saw you there, >and you were nowhere near pinching me down, even if you were >> close, you gave me plenty of room. I 100% feel if the connections had >been normal there would have been no problem. >> >> Now, if I can figure out how Brian can drive that setup so fast on fresh >tires, I'll be a happy camper. :) >> >> -- >> Tim White >> www.intracmotorsports.com >> >> >

How about 'snookered' was how I felt, :)) It was definitely bunched up, and I shouldn't have slowed so quickly. I'll do better next time. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yfUaa.148$[email hidden]... > Snookered is kinda harsh dontchya tink? I really didnt want ...

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>I am sorry for that one myself. I had been following you and Eldred for a >couple of laps and you looked like you were taking a run at E (after not >quite getting by him in the previous couple of corners) but then slowed >behind him. I had committed to following you by and noticed to late that >you were slowing. My misjudgement of the situation. > >I like to think that I have been learning from E's good example and >attemptimg to be a "gentleman driver". Will keep trying to do so.

Was this a yellow flag incident, or green flag? I remember seeing someone get twisted sideways, but I don't remember when. I think one time I got loose, and had to lift. That might be what I was thinking. I had a couple of times under yellow, where the person in front just *stopped*, and I had to stop to keep from hitting him. That caught Jan out once that I know of - he couldn't see the person in front of me stop... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Sorry to have been part of the snookered feelings then, Ive sure been there :) Please don't misunderstand Tim, we WANT you to go slower :))) Think about the spot I was in though, your intentions were honorable but how many spots behind will even be able to identify your intentions and react accordingly while in the heat of battle? This isn't to say I want a new rule but I think we all need to be clear. The accordion effect is surely in place past 2nd spot. "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1j5ba.49110$[email hidden]...

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> How about 'snookered' was how I felt, :)) > > It was definitely bunched up, and I shouldn't have slowed so quickly. > I'll do better next time. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:48:02 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Sorry to have been part of the snookered feelings then, Ive sure been there >:) Please don't misunderstand Tim, we WANT you to go slower :))) > >Think about the spot I was in though, your intentions were honorable but how >many spots behind will even be able to identify your intentions and react >accordingly while in the heat of battle? This isn't to say I want a new >rule but I think we all need to be clear. The accordion effect is surely in >place past 2nd spot. >

I think knowing someone elses' intentions will come naturally after you have raced with that person for a while. Tim didn't slam into the back of me because when the yellow came out, he knew what I was going to do and vice/versa (although now I really don't know what to expect). The other big thing here is SITUATION AWARENESS. Before any restart I look to see who is behind/in front of me and I look to see who is a lap down and who is fast enough to potentially be racing to get a lap back if there should be a quick caution. During the race I keep F2 up and keep track of any "green" cars that may be behind me and how far back they are. I am pretty sure Tim does the same because I have been behind him when the yellow comes out and if there are no lap down cars that are close, he never lifts. If there is a lap down car that is within striking distance I know that I will need to slow down, maintain my position, and move up high because Tim will be doing the same. Brian

A gentlemen's agreement between you and Tim does nothing when the rest ARE racing for the spots. Again that leaves the rest of us getting rear ended as the accordion closes or just plain losing spots. And it feels even worse than snookered when youre not even in control of the situation (having to slow for guys in front when guys behind arent). We have a few guys that WILL take the spot everytime and I for one learned fast and do likewise. Remeber it's not that easy back in the pack as it is for you aliens in the lead :) "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:48:02 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Sorry to have been part of the snookered feelings then, Ive sure beenthere > >:) Please don't misunderstand Tim, we WANT you to go slower :))) > > > >Think about the spot I was in though, your intentions were honorable buthow > >many spots behind will even be able to identify your intentions and react > >accordingly while in the heat of battle? This isn't to say I want a new > >rule but I think we all need to be clear. The accordion effect is surelyin

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> >place past 2nd spot. > > > > I think knowing someone elses' intentions will come naturally after > you have raced with that person for a while. Tim didn't slam into the > back of me because when the yellow came out, he knew what I was going > to do and vice/versa (although now I really don't know what to > expect). > > The other big thing here is SITUATION AWARENESS. Before any restart I > look to see who is behind/in front of me and I look to see who is a > lap down and who is fast enough to potentially be racing to get a lap > back if there should be a quick caution. During the race I keep F2 up > and keep track of any "green" cars that may be behind me and how far > back they are. I am pretty sure Tim does the same because I have been > behind him when the yellow comes out and if there are no lap down cars > that are close, he never lifts. If there is a lap down car that is > within striking distance I know that I will need to slow down, > maintain my position, and move up high because Tim will be doing the > same. > > Brian

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >I am sorry for that one myself. I had been following you and Eldred fora

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> >couple of laps and you looked like you were taking a run at E (after not > >quite getting by him in the previous couple of corners) but then slowed > >behind him. I had committed to following you by and noticed to late that > >you were slowing. My misjudgement of the situation. > > > >I like to think that I have been learning from E's good example and > >attemptimg to be a "gentleman driver". Will keep trying to do so. > > Was this a yellow flag incident, or green flag? I remember seeing someone

get > twisted sideways, but I don't remember when. I think one time I gotloose, and > had to lift. That might be what I was thinking. I had a couple of timesunder > yellow, where the person in front just *stopped*, and I had to stop tokeep > from hitting him. That caught Jan out once that I know of - he couldn'tsee > the person in front of me stop... > > Eldred Well it started out as a green flag incident that abruptly changed to yellow when I bumped him. ;o) But there was one time when running back to the line under yellow that I almost took you out when you slowed down just at the pits (but in the middle of the track). It was as if you were thinking of pitting then thought better of it. (maybe someone was slowing in front of you.) I swerved to the inside and almost entered the pits at high speed but managed to take the grass just to the right of the pit entrance and made it back to the race surface without being given a black flag for entering the pits to fast. I spent about 2/3 of the race spectating from the pits, dividing my time between riding with the two leaders and you. Learned alot from riding with and watching all of you. Elrikk

You're right which is why I probably won't be giving laps back when there is a quick caution. If a lap car is on my inside or RIGHT on my bumper I might move over and let them go but I won't be slowing on the back stretch any more if it is going to cause all the problems that it apparently did on Sat. BTW, I can only play with the aliens at a few tracks so I don't know if I fully qualify as a full fledged allien yet. And when I was back in the pack I had to work VERY hard to get around you guys and completely burned up my RF in the process. If it had not been for the late caution and Gingers BF I would have ended up 3rd at best and maybe way further back... I was dropping like a rock. Actually, I think a lot of people have elevated themselves this year. At all 3 races we have had this year I think anyone of at least 5 to 10 people had a good chance to win. If you look at the practice times, the top 10 times are not seperated by that much which tells me there are a lot of people capable of turning some fast laps and with track position/long runs.... anyones race. Brian Oster On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:27:26 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>A gentlemen's agreement between you and Tim does nothing when the rest ARE >racing for the spots. Again that leaves the rest of us getting rear ended >as the accordion closes or just plain losing spots. And it feels even worse >than snookered when youre not even in control of the situation (having to >slow for guys in front when guys behind arent). We have a few guys that >WILL take the spot everytime and I for one learned fast and do likewise. >Remeber it's not that easy back in the pack as it is for you aliens in the >lead :) > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:48:02 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Sorry to have been part of the snookered feelings then, Ive sure been >there >> >:) Please don't misunderstand Tim, we WANT you to go slower :))) >> > >> >Think about the spot I was in though, your intentions were honorable but >how >> >many spots behind will even be able to identify your intentions and react >> >accordingly while in the heat of battle? This isn't to say I want a new >> >rule but I think we all need to be clear. The accordion effect is surely >in >> >place past 2nd spot. >> > >> >> I think knowing someone elses' intentions will come naturally after >> you have raced with that person for a while. Tim didn't slam into the >> back of me because when the yellow came out, he knew what I was going >> to do and vice/versa (although now I really don't know what to >> expect). >> >> The other big thing here is SITUATION AWARENESS. Before any restart I >> look to see who is behind/in front of me and I look to see who is a >> lap down and who is fast enough to potentially be racing to get a lap >> back if there should be a quick caution. During the race I keep F2 up >> and keep track of any "green" cars that may be behind me and how far >> back they are. I am pretty sure Tim does the same because I have been >> behind him when the yellow comes out and if there are no lap down cars >> that are close, he never lifts. If there is a lap down car that is >> within striking distance I know that I will need to slow down, >> maintain my position, and move up high because Tim will be doing the >> same. >> >> Brian >

>#99. Um-m that would be me. (Mike Kay aka Elrikk) Sorry Mike....I knew it was you but just used the number because I was in a hurry. I also dont blame you, just one of those racin deals. And yes Eldred it was under green. It seems you may have slipped a little and Mike was right... I should have slid under instead of slowing. Dan

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> How about 'snookered' was how I felt, :)) > > It was definitely bunched up, and I shouldn't have slowed so quickly. > I'll do better next time. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yfUaa.148$[email hidden]... > > Snookered is kinda harsh dontchya tink? I really didnt want ... > > >

I think that if you're not sure of who is behind you coming to the line for a yellow (and as long as it is safe to do so, you should race to the line. Sure, sometimes people's feelings get hurt, but hey, it's "racing", not "why don't you sit yourself down and let momma make you a nice batch of cookies".

ack ack ack, ack, ack ack ack ack, ack ... ack lol -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > BTW, I can only play with the aliens at a few tracks so I don't know > if I fully qualify as a full fledged allien yet ...

I must admit part of my intentions towards giving laps back is selfish ... I give laps back so I dont have to deal with it on the restart. :))) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com > I think that if you're not sure of who is behind you coming to the > line for a yellow (and as long as it is safe to do so, you should > race to the line. Sure, sometimes people's feelings get hurt, but > hey, it's "racing", not "why don't you sit yourself down and let > momma make you a nice batch of cookies". > >

I'm pissed at myself. I majorly blew a pit entry and it cost me 3 friggin' laps. And for dessert, I lost the rear end during a restart and pranged the wall. I'm pissed because I practiced BOTH of these situations more than I did going around the track. Damn... Larry "grubbat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, how did the race go? Who won and who is pissed off and why? Start > sounding off guys. I had to leave and did not get a chance to see the end. > :( > > grub > >

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> > lol > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]... > > > BTW, I can only play with the aliens at a few tracks so I don't know > > if I fully qualify as a full fledged allien yet ... > >

At least you didn't blow up. God, I'm awful :) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <Vswaa.2787$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > BOster won... :-) > > > > One of the faster guys won... no surprises there. That last green stintwas

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> > too short for me to reel you back in. You were pretty good on new tyres > > there Eldred... kudos. > > > > I spent 12 hours moving furntiture, rippinging up old carpet and > padding, removing about 10 sq feet of cermaic tile (that took 3 hours > all by itself), and we're a little more than half-way through with > laying 600 sq feet of laminate wood flooring. > > Believe me when I say I'd rather be racing...

I had the kitchen and Laundry re-done to the tune of $2500 last year. I was going to use Pergo, but I then rememberd the stilletto's that my Golden Retrievers have and decided to go with Vynil as well :) Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons

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> <[email hidden]> writes: > > Whew... I need to put down some tile in my basement, but it will be the > standard vinyl stuff. I couldn't afford the wood laminate... > I'm sure that even THAT will be a chore. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>But there was one time when running back to the line under yellow that I >almost took you out when you slowed down just at the pits (but in the middle >of the track). It was as if you were thinking of pitting then thought >better of it. (maybe someone was slowing in front of you.) I swerved to >the inside and almost entered the pits at high speed but managed to take the >grass just to the right of the pit entrance and made it back to the race >surface without being given a black flag for entering the pits to fast. > >I spent about 2/3 of the race spectating from the pits, dividing my time >between riding with the two leaders and you. Learned alot from riding with >and watching all of you.

Learning what NOT to do from watching me, no doubt...<g> Slowing down at the pits... Probably someone slowing in front of me, or trying to keep from getting a BF for passing someobe headed to the pits. Anybody know if the game WILL throw that flag? It would suck to be cruising along, then accidentally pass someone who jammed on the breaks to meet the pit speed limit. I had that happen one time I was pitting. I was going too fast, and hit the brakes right before the line. I heard my spotter say "pass the xx car"(don't remember the number). I wonder if that driver got a BF... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Haven't tested that for myself in like 3 years, but ever since N2, NROS, I back off just in case :) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Slowing down at the pits... Probably someone slowing in front of me, or trying > to keep from getting a BF for passing someobe headed to the pits. Anybody know > if the game WILL throw that flag?

Hey now.... (there's always Darlington - grin) In article <XOsba.150253$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> At least you didn't blow up. > > God, I'm awful :) > > Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <Vswaa.2787$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > BOster won... :-) > > > > > > One of the faster guys won... no surprises there. That last green stint > was > > > too short for me to reel you back in. You were pretty good on new tyres > > > there Eldred... kudos. > > > > > > > I spent 12 hours moving furntiture, rippinging up old carpet and > > padding, removing about 10 sq feet of cermaic tile (that took 3 hours > > all by itself), and we're a little more than half-way through with > > laying 600 sq feet of laminate wood flooring. > > > > Believe me when I say I'd rather be racing...

:) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hey now.... > > (there's always Darlington - grin) > > In article <XOsba.150253$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > At least you didn't blow up. > > > > God, I'm awful :) > > > > Larry > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <Vswaa.2787$[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > > > BOster won... :-) > > > > > > > > One of the faster guys won... no surprises there. That last green

stint > > was > > > > too short for me to reel you back in. You were pretty good on newtyres

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> > > > there Eldred... kudos. > > > > > > > > > > I spent 12 hours moving furntiture, rippinging up old carpet and > > > padding, removing about 10 sq feet of cermaic tile (that took 3 hours > > > all by itself), and we're a little more than half-way through with > > > laying 600 sq feet of laminate wood flooring. > > > > > > Believe me when I say I'd rather be racing...

Man, I must not be as funny as I thought <g> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bOsba.820$[email hidden]...

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> Mitch clears throat: > > Yodelahayeeeeeooo..... <g> > > > > "> ack ack ack, ack, ack ack ack ack, ack ... ack > > > > lol > > > > -- > > Tim White > > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > > > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > BTW, I can only play with the aliens at a few tracks so I don't know > > > if I fully qualify as a full fledged allien yet ... > > > > > > >