RASCAR: Martinsville Speeds

I have yet to get below 21.500 - average is about 21.8xx. Is anyone going any faster? I'm sure Tim is probably at LEAST .2 seconds faster than me... :)

I pulled a 21:307 as my fastest so far. I don't know much about setups, but this one seems to be the worst for me as far as the "Fast" setups go. Joe "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have yet to get below 21.500 - average is about 21.8xx. Is anyone > going any faster? > > I'm sure Tim is probably at LEAST .2 seconds faster than me... :) >

I managed a 21.3 ONCE in the fast setup but am probably averaging more like 22.0. But 20.xx is definitely possible, see Andreas Wilke's replays at http://www.sim-replays.de/. Also check out some of the other Martinsville threads here, Jason Moyer posted some driving tips in one of them. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have yet to get below 21.500 - average is about 21.8xx. Is anyone > going any faster? > > I'm sure Tim is probably at LEAST .2 seconds faster than me... :) >

Don's friend LNB_3 (Loan) does 20.3s, maybe he could shed some light as to how. :) "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have yet to get below 21.500 - average is about 21.8xx. Is anyone > going any faster? > > I'm sure Tim is probably at LEAST .2 seconds faster than me... :) >

On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:45:30 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I managed a 21.3 ONCE in the fast setup but am probably averaging more like >22.0. But 20.xx is definitely possible, see Andreas Wilke's replays at >http://www.sim-replays.de/. Also check out some of the other Martinsville >threads here, Jason Moyer posted some driving tips in one of them. Take my driving tips with a grain of salt. In N4/2002 I normally had my doors blown off at Marty so I suspect I'm as slow as everyone else. It does seem to me, after doing just a few dozen laps there, that keeping the tires chirping a bit is fairly essential, moreso than any other track I can think of. Dunno how that plays out for tire wear tho. Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I have yet to get below 21.500 - average is about 21.8xx. Is anyone > going any faster? > > I'm sure Tim is probably at LEAST .2 seconds faster than me... :) > > Well, I was talking about the <fast> setup. I seriously doubt that *anyone* can get into the 20's with the <fast> setup.

"John Simmons" wrote... > > <snip> > > Well, I was talking about the <fast> setup. I seriously > doubt that *anyone* can get into the 20's with the > <fast> setup. You *had* to make it a challenge, hadn't you? ;-) Jan. =---

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > > Well, I was talking about the <fast> setup. I seriously > > doubt that *anyone* can get into the 20's with the > > <fast> setup. > > You *had* to make it a challenge, hadn't you? ;-) >

Well, I've already decided that it's simply best not to push it at Marty, and let the aliens have their way with me. :)

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:38:35 GMT, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) wrote: >It does seem to me, after doing just a few dozen laps there, that >keeping the tires chirping a bit is fairly essential, moreso than any >other track I can think of. Dunno how that plays out for tire wear >tho. > >Jason After 30 laps, my fronts were showing yellow and handling went downhil quickly. That's with the fast setup on JS's practice server. My best so far is 21.53 and that goes up as the tars wear. ZZ Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

20.6s are possible with fast setup "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > I have yet to get below 21.500 - average is about 21.8xx. Is anyone > > going any faster? > > > > I'm sure Tim is probably at LEAST .2 seconds faster than me... :) > > > > > > Well, I was talking about the <fast> setup. I seriously doubt that > *anyone* can get into the 20's with the <fast> setup. >

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:03:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well, I was talking about the <fast> setup. I seriously doubt that >*anyone* can get into the 20's with the <fast> setup. Hm. I can't recreate my 20.8 atm, but here's a really sloppy 21.1: http://firebrand11.stargate.net/Marty21116.rpy Note that I locked the brakes and slid in both turns which probably took a good half second or more off my lap time. Not trying to show off here, I admittedly suck at Martinsville, but if that crap of a lap is a 21.1 I'd imagine guys who really know the course are in the 20.5 range. Jason

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>On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:03:52 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Well, I was talking about the <fast> setup. I seriously doubt that >>*anyone* can get into the 20's with the <fast> setup. > >Hm. I can't recreate my 20.8 atm, but here's a really sloppy 21.1: > >http://firebrand11.stargate.net/Marty21116.rpy > >Note that I locked the brakes and slid in both turns which probably >took a good half second or more off my lap time. Not trying to show >off here, I admittedly suck at Martinsville, but if that crap of a lap >is a 21.1 I'd imagine guys who really know the course are in the 20.5 >range.

*Ahem* =) http://firebrand11.stargate.net/Marty20934.rpy Decided to try a few laps without downshifting, much easier to be consistent, altho I still feel like I could do a 20.5 via 3rd gear. Also, damn you for putting up that challenge. I think I broke my wrists trying to wrestle that shitty setup around. =) Jason

ErWHAT? Downshifting at Martinsville? SACRILEGE!!!! I'll be the one at the back, if I get it abooout right I can stay around 21.4-22.0, but what the hey. If I don't do anything stupid and survive, it'll be great. ;) /Matt "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]...

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> *Ahem* =) > > http://firebrand11.stargate.net/Marty20934.rpy > > Decided to try a few laps without downshifting, much easier to be > consistent, altho I still feel like I could do a 20.5 via 3rd gear. > > Also, damn you for putting up that challenge. I think I broke my > wrists trying to wrestle that shitty setup around. =) > > Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, "Matt Knutsen" <[email hidden]> writes: >ErWHAT? Downshifting at Martinsville? SACRILEGE!!!! If I *don't* downshift, everyone pulls away under acceleration... I experimented with it a bit. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I wouldnt recommend downshifting, as you dont really want to contend with the gobs of torque youll get in 3rd gear, or the driveline snatch as you turn in. i can run 50 laps at marti at around 20.9s for the duration with the FAST set, but itll do 20.7s and 6s if you push it (itll eat the tyres though...). bob stanleys q set will do 20.5s at 70 degs clear 0wind. pez "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Matt Knutsen" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >ErWHAT? Downshifting at Martinsville? SACRILEGE!!!! > > If I *don't* downshift, everyone pulls away under acceleration... I > experimented with it a bit. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > If I *don't* downshift, everyone pulls away under > acceleration... I experimented with it a bit. I don't really see the point... it puts 4 more actions in a lap which you have to pay attention to and can screw up. The trick to speed at Martinsville is carrying speed into the corners but remaining in control and getting the power down early without the rear end stepping out. Easier said than done though. Jan. =---

This has got to be the worst Marty setup I've ever driven. Just got through with some off-line practice and it is horrible. It pushes like a tank in the middle and unless you stomp on the gas off the corner it will push right into the wall, and of course, stomping on it causes the back end to snap loose. I had a great setup for N2002 and it is the only one I ever drove... very forgiving, very easy to drive, and very fast. I just can't get used to this one. I turned a few fast laps with this setup but if I try to drive like that on Sat. I will be spinning every other lap. I'm sure Tim is turning 19's with it... Brian Oster

lol, i wish The fastest i've seen is mid 20s, and that isn't me, yet :) I did a 21.1 by myself, and some 20.9s drafting, but that's about it. And trust me, you'll get very few opportunites to go that fast online (traffic). I learned something about this track tonight in an OLR/FASCAR practice race... If you have the option 'Boost steering at low speeds' turned on, try turning it off. The car was much more stable for me and it didn't really adversely affect entering/leaving my pit stall. I was able to run much more consistent laps, and up the linearity. Apparently going that slow in a turn is like being on pit road for most tracks, who knows, but if I'm right, and it wasn't just me, kinda amazing Papyrus would miss that. If I am right, we'll see that same issue at the road courses. Try it -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm sure Tim is turning 19's with it... >

"Tim" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:uYrla.2800$[email hidden]... > lol, i wish > I learned something about this track tonight in an OLR/FASCAR practicerace... > If you have the option 'Boost steering at low speeds' turned on, tryturning it off. > The car was much more stable for me and it didn't really adversely affectentering/leaving my pit stall. > I was able to run much more consistent laps, and up the linearity. > Apparently going that slow in a turn is like being on pit road for mosttracks, who knows, but if I'm right, and it wasn't just me, > kinda amazing Papyrus would miss that. If I am right, we'll see that sameissue at the road courses. > > Try it Whoa, never thought of that! thanks! /matt

entering/leaving my pit stall. tracks, who knows, but if I'm right, and it wasn't just me, issue at the road courses. Whoa, never thought of that! thanks! /matt

you're right about the low speed steering. turn it off. I tried some laps earlier in the week when the rascar threads started about marty. the car was getting snap oversteer through the corner. then I rembered that I turned it off in gpl for the tracks in GPL Rally2. So I did some more laps with it turned off. more stable and predictable through the turns and my laps were all mid to high 20's. I was going to post a message when I realised this, but been picking grapes all week and simply forgot all about it until I read the thread. Steve

"Tim" said: > I learned something about this track tonight in an OLR/FASCAR practicerace... > If you have the option 'Boost steering at low speeds' turned on, tryturning it off. Just a word of warning: Remember my "hell" at Bristol - where I lost several laps trying to get going again after a spin... Well the problem was that whitout the 'steering boost' I couldnt manage to turn the car around - there simply wasnt enough room! It took me ages trying to spin the car around... Having suffered some engine damage - that was almost impossible too... so I ended up doing a 3-point - well, actually it was more like a 5 point - star turn... Tok me ages and cost me atleast two laps. :-( Fair enough.. at Bristol i was running a steering lock of 25 and at Martinsville the stock ratio is at 14... but nevertheless... I strongly suggest testing this (i.e. turning the car around) before the race tomorrow. -- ed_

just tested it out. does require a three point turn to turn around. but if your engine is good, just give it full lock, plenty of right boot, and dump the clutch. steve "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1050062516.74645@gurney...

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> "Tim" said: > > > I learned something about this track tonight in an OLR/FASCAR practice > race... > > If you have the option 'Boost steering at low speeds' turned on, try > turning it off. > > Just a word of warning: > > Remember my "hell" at Bristol - where I lost several laps trying to get > going again after a spin... > Well the problem was that whitout the 'steering boost' I couldnt manage to > turn the car around - there simply wasnt enough room! It took me ages

trying > to spin the car around... Having suffered some engine damage - that was > almost impossible too... so I ended up doing a 3-point - well, actually it > was more like a 5 point - star turn... Tok me ages and cost me atleasttwo

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> laps. :-( > > Fair enough.. at Bristol i was running a steering lock of 25 and at > Martinsville the stock ratio is at 14... but nevertheless... > > I strongly suggest testing this (i.e. turning the car around) before the > race tomorrow. > > -- > ed_ > >

Not only that, but the random damage will probably take 3rd away from you just for trying... Larry "Alex 'pez' Porazinski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b74scs$ceg$[email hidden]... > I wouldnt recommend downshifting, as you dont really want to contend with > the gobs of torque youll get in 3rd gear, or the driveline snatch as you > turn in. > > i can run 50 laps at marti at around 20.9s for the duration with the FAST > set, but itll do 20.7s and 6s if you push it (itll eat the tyresthough...).

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> > bob stanleys q set will do 20.5s at 70 degs clear 0wind. > > pez > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Matt Knutsen" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >ErWHAT? Downshifting at Martinsville? SACRILEGE!!!! > > > > If I *don't* downshift, everyone pulls away under acceleration... I > > experimented with it a bit. > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:-1.680 > > MonsterRank: +334.169 > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

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> "Tim" said: > > > I learned something about this track tonight in an OLR/FASCAR practice > race... > > If you have the option 'Boost steering at low speeds' turned on, try > turning it off. > > Just a word of warning: > > Remember my "hell" at Bristol - where I lost several laps trying to get > going again after a spin... > Well the problem was that whitout the 'steering boost' I couldnt manage to > turn the car around - there simply wasnt enough room! It took me ages trying > to spin the car around... Having suffered some engine damage - that was > almost impossible too... so I ended up doing a 3-point - well, actually it > was more like a 5 point - star turn... Tok me ages and cost me atleast two > laps. :-( > > Fair enough.. at Bristol i was running a steering lock of 25 and at > Martinsville the stock ratio is at 14... but nevertheless... > > I strongly suggest testing this (i.e. turning the car around) before the > race tomorrow. > > -- > ed_ > > >

Well, I found it impossibe to get out of my pit stall without hitting the car in front of me with low-speed steering turned off. There's no point in racing if you can't get into/out of your pitstall without hitting someone, so my low-speed steering will remain on...

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> > <snip> > Well, I found it impossibe to get out of my pit stall > without hitting the car in front of me with low-speed > steering turned off. > > There's no point in racing if you can't get into/out > of your pitstall without hitting someone, so my low- > speed steering will remain on...

What a stitch up... doesn't make one iota of difference either on or off as far as I can tell. Tim is having a laugh at our expense. <g> Martinville was my favourite track back in the N2/N3 days, but I couldn't really get to grips with it come N4. Now with some 1200 laps between NR2002 and NR2003 I'm starting to feel at home again. Not quick by any means (21.6s in NR2003), but I'm really looking forward to tomorrow. Jan. =---

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > > <snip> > > Well, I found it impossibe to get out of my pit stall > > without hitting the car in front of me with low-speed > > steering turned off. > > > > There's no point in racing if you can't get into/out > > of your pitstall without hitting someone, so my low- > > speed steering will remain on... > > What a stitch up... doesn't make one iota of difference either on or off as > far as I can tell. Tim is having a laugh at our expense. <g> > > Martinville was my favourite track back in the N2/N3 days, but I couldn't > really get to grips with it come N4. Now with some 1200 laps between NR2002 > and NR2003 I'm starting to feel at home again. Not quick by any means (21.6s > in NR2003), but I'm really looking forward to tomorrow.

Well, my best time so far is 21.216, but that musta been a freak lap.

20.960, but I had to go low into the turns, lower then the groove, and break hard. I won't be doing any -21.2s in the race. If you can stay out of trouble, with all the cautions we'll have you might make it on fuel, tires will make it. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com