RASCAR: Race at Rouen at 6pm eastern

Server Name: RASCAR Roadies Time: 6pm eastern Track: Rouen Setup: Open

Rouen? Where do we get the track ? Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > Time: 6pm eastern > Track: Rouen > Setup: Open >

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> Rouen? > > Where do we get the track ? > > Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > > Time: 6pm eastern > > Track: Rouen > > Setup: Open > > > > >

Its a converted GPL track Larry. If you have GPL, you need to buy Dave Noonan's converter and convert the tracks for use in NR2K3. RASCAR will generally be running races at the converted tracks on the weekends when Nascar is on a break. So far, the only exception is next weekend when we run the previously postponed event at Daytona.

On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:51:10 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there anyway. ZZ Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

I got that message as well. I was looking forward to racing there. Would it be a bad thing to do road races at 6pm eastern on a semi-regular basis (not just the off weeks)? Spark

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> > I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were > incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there > anyway. > > ZZ > Richard "ZZ" Busch >

ZZ wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:51:10 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were > incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there > anyway. I'm not 100% sure on this, but N2003 is quite picky so if either you or John has done anything but a straight conversion, you'll probably get that message Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > ZZ wrote: > > > > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:51:10 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were > > incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there > > anyway. > > I'm not 100% sure on this, but N2003 is quite picky so if either you or > John has done anything but a straight conversion, you'll probably get > that message > >

I did a straight conversion on un-modified GPL tracks.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:51:10 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I got a message that my version of Rouen and the servers were > incompatible. It wouldn't let me join. I didn't see anyone there > anyway. I have no clue what that might be about. I converted unmodified tracks (not graphics improvement files have been applied to my copy).

I think that's why in other leagues they upload the converted tracks to a web site so that all the members are assured of having the same version. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I have no clue what that might be about. I converted unmodified > tracks (not graphics improvement files have been applied to my copy). > > >

I didn't think that was legal. In article <b7bv8c$cpksu$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> I think that's why in other leagues they upload the converted tracks to a > web site so that all the members are assured of having the same version. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I have no clue what that might be about. I converted unmodified > > tracks (not graphics improvement files have been applied to my copy). > > > > > > > > >

You can get Monza and Kyalami for free. http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:d05ma.92001$[email hidden]...

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> Rouen? > > Where do we get the track ? > > Larry > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > > Time: 6pm eastern > > Track: Rouen > > Setup: Open > > > >

http://www.raceservers.net/Software_Downloads.htm ? "Larry" said: > Rouen? > > Where do we get the track ? -- ed_

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > I didn't think that was legal. > > I don't think it is a matter of legalities, but propriety. If you support the work of track convertors like Dave Noonan, you require all league members purchase the convertor. But...as we are finding out, N2k3 seems to be VERY picky about tracks, so league admins would be wise to make available a standard track for each event. Otherwise not all the members will be able to connect. As far as users taking converted tracks done with Noonan's utilities and then releasing them...THAT will only end with Noonan and other no longer converting tracks. Short term gain that will harm all simmers in the long run. dave henrie (no babies were killed in the writing of this post)

Technically no, unless he has a license agreement with Papyrus, which I don't think is the case. IMO Noonan does not have any legal rights to tracks created by his converter since they are Papy's intellectual property. I doubt very much that he could take any legal action against anybody for posting tracks. The only thing he has any right to is the converter itself, and even that is questionable since it is a piece of code which reverse engineers Papy's intellectual property. Not saying whether I'm for or against what he is doing, just that I don't believe he has any legal protection for what he is doing. That being the case, I don't see anything wrong with posting the tracks to a low profile website or ftp server. If you want to be supportive of him just put a password on it. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I didn't think that was legal. >

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> Technically no, unless he has a license agreement with Papyrus, which I > don't think is the case. IMO Noonan does not have any legal rights to > tracks created by his converter since they are Papy's intellectual property. > I doubt very much that he could take any legal action against anybody for > posting tracks. The only thing he has any right to is the converter itself, > and even that is questionable since it is a piece of code which reverse > engineers Papy's intellectual property. Not saying whether I'm for or > against what he is doing, just that I don't believe he has any legal > protection for what he is doing. That being the case, I don't see anything > wrong with posting the tracks to a low profile website or ftp server. If > you want to be supportive of him just put a password on it. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I didn't think that was legal. > >

No, I thought that since they were originally supplied with a papy product, even in partched form, they were still copyrighted since they contained peices of the binary images originally found in the papy products. At least, that's what everyone used to be concerned about...

Oh, good point. Well, I still think that as a group you could probably set up a passworded ftp server, password e-mailed to participants, so that you can at least make sure you all have the same track version. Participants would be expected to already own a copy of the game the tracks were from, you could enforce that however you wanted. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > No, I thought that since they were originally supplied with a papy > product, even in partched form, they were still copyrighted since > they contained peices of the binary images originally found in the > papy products. > > At least, that's what everyone used to be concerned about...

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> > Oh, good point. Well, I still think that as a group you could probably set > up a passworded ftp server, password e-mailed to participants, so that you > can at least make sure you all have the same track version. Participants > would be expected to already own a copy of the game the tracks were from, > you could enforce that however you wanted. > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > No, I thought that since they were originally supplied with a papy > > product, even in partched form, they were still copyrighted since > > they contained peices of the binary images originally found in the > > papy products. > > > > At least, that's what everyone used to be concerned about...

If you e-mail David I believe he's allowed this for leagues before, then it's a matter of getting Papy's permission to do the same, which I also believe is quite possible, and everybody's happy :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Well, for the first time I have a gripe about RASCAR operations. Because I haven't paid for someone elses utility, I won't be able to run in a RASCAR Race? Please tell me I am just misunderstanding something :) Now, an EXTRA race, sure. Go for it. But not the main race that EVERYONE who is a part of RASCAR is supposed to be able to run in. -Larry

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> Its a converted GPL track Larry. If you have GPL, you need to buy > Dave Noonan's converter and convert the tracks for use in NR2K3. > > RASCAR will generally be running races at the converted tracks on the > weekends when Nascar is on a break. So far, the only exception is > next weekend when we run the previously postponed event at Daytona. >

1) Official Rascar races are on Eldfred's server, and the schedule reflects the real life Winston Cup schedule (to the extent possible). On weekends where real-life Nascar is not racing, and unless we're making up a race postponed from an earlier date, I will be hosting races on GPL tracks that are available to those who have converted the tracks themselves. If this means that you have to already have GPL and pay someone for some software to convert said tracks, so be it. I paid the money. I'm legal. If you somehow procure a copy of the track, there is no way I can verify that you did/didn't get it the same way I did. Let your conscience be your guide. In article <J8_ma.112438$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> Well, for the first time I have a gripe about RASCAR operations. > > Because I haven't paid for someone elses utility, I won't be able to run in > a RASCAR Race? > > Please tell me I am just misunderstanding something :) > > Now, an EXTRA race, sure. Go for it. But not the main race that EVERYONE > who is a part of RASCAR is supposed to be able to run in. > > -Larry > > > Its a converted GPL track Larry. If you have GPL, you need to buy > > Dave Noonan's converter and convert the tracks for use in NR2K3. > > > > RASCAR will generally be running races at the converted tracks on the > > weekends when Nascar is on a break. So far, the only exception is > > next weekend when we run the previously postponed event at Daytona. > > > > >

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>Well, for the first time I have a gripe about RASCAR operations. > >Because I haven't paid for someone elses utility, I won't be able to run in >a RASCAR Race? > >Please tell me I am just misunderstanding something :) > >Now, an EXTRA race, sure. Go for it. But not the main race that EVERYONE >who is a part of RASCAR is supposed to be able to run in.

That's one reason that I've never been keen on running the road courses in RASCAR, even though *several* people have asked me about it. I believe the races John is talking about are just fun races... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

My greatest fear for simmers is the DMCA. Companies have been mis-using the DMCA and smacking people upside the head with it every since it was put into law. Take for example the Lexmark vs. companies making compatible printer cartridges. Lexmark used the DMCA to stop it and, god help us, they won. The DMCA is set to destroy nearly any and all innovation in the computer world and it's going to create monopolies like nothing we've ever seen before. Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b7cq49$cmtdo$[email hidden]... > Technically no, unless he has a license agreement with Papyrus, which I > don't think is the case. IMO Noonan does not have any legal rights to > tracks created by his converter since they are Papy's intellectualproperty. > I doubt very much that he could take any legal action against anybody for > posting tracks. The only thing he has any right to is the converteritself, > and even that is questionable since it is a piece of code which reverse > engineers Papy's intellectual property. Not saying whether I'm for or > against what he is doing, just that I don't believe he has any legal > protection for what he is doing. That being the case, I don't seeanything

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> wrong with posting the tracks to a low profile website or ftp server. If > you want to be supportive of him just put a password on it. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I didn't think that was legal. > > > >

I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game or version these tracks are for? Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You can get Monza and Kyalami for free. > http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:d05ma.92001$[email hidden]... > > Rouen? > > > > Where do we get the track ? > > > > Larry > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > > > Time: 6pm eastern > > > Track: Rouen > > > Setup: Open > > > > > > > > >

Nope, it's not there. -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> http://www.raceservers.net/Software_Downloads.htm ? > > "Larry" said: > > > Rouen? > > > > Where do we get the track ? > > > -- > ed_ > >

As long as it doesn't replace our normal RASCAR race that everyone should be able to race in, I'm cool :) Buying the converter isn't the hard part. The payment methods are what trip me up. Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Well, for the first time I have a gripe about RASCAR operations. > > > >Because I haven't paid for someone elses utility, I won't be able to runin > >a RASCAR Race? > > > >Please tell me I am just misunderstanding something :) > > > >Now, an EXTRA race, sure. Go for it. But not the main race thatEVERYONE > >who is a part of RASCAR is supposed to be able to run in. > > That's one reason that I've never been keen on running the road courses in > RASCAR, even though *several* people have asked me about it. I believethe

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> races John is talking about are just fun races... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I installed Monza and Kyalami into N2003 from there, but it looks like the downloads are dead right now. David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vrVna.128923$[email hidden]... > I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game orversion

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> these tracks are for? > > Larry > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You can get Monza and Kyalami for free. > > http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:d05ma.92001$[email hidden]... > > > Rouen? > > > > > > Where do we get the track ? > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > > > > Time: 6pm eastern > > > > Track: Rouen > > > > Setup: Open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I installed Monza and Kyalami into N2003 from there, but it looks like the downloads are dead right now. David G Fisher > I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game or version

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> these tracks are for? > Larry > > You can get Monza and Kyalami for free. > > http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html > > David G Fisher > > > Rouen? > > > Where do we get the track ? > > > Larry > > > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > > > > Time: 6pm eastern > > > > Track: Rouen > > > > Setup: Open

In article <7pVna.128920$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >My greatest fear for simmers is the DMCA. Companies have been mis-using the >DMCA and smacking people upside the head with it every since it was put into >law. I'm soooo sick of the DMCA. I have to deal with the violation reports against our students who get caught using kazaa... Like, about 30-50 per week...:-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I got those too. How many tracks can NR2003 handle ? -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I installed Monza and Kyalami into N2003 from there, but it looks like the > downloads are dead right now. > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vrVna.128923$[email hidden]... > > I couldn't find a single indication on this site as to what game or > version > > these tracks are for? > > > > Larry > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > You can get Monza and Kyalami for free. > > > http://www.geocities.com/teamppr/roadcourses.html > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:d05ma.92001$[email hidden]... > > > > Rouen? > > > > > > > > Where do we get the track ? > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Server Name: RASCAR Roadies > > > > > Time: 6pm eastern > > > > > Track: Rouen > > > > > Setup: Open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :) Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <7pVna.128920$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >My greatest fear for simmers is the DMCA. Companies have been mis-usingthe > >DMCA and smacking people upside the head with it every since it was putinto > >law. > > I'm soooo sick of the DMCA. I have to deal with the violation reportsagainst > our students who get caught using kazaa... Like, about 30-50 perweek...:-(

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> > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <uPgoa.133278$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :) > We *don't* monitor the network for it. These reports get sent to us from outside the university. RIAA, NetPD, a couple more that I can't recall. Unfortunately, dealing with violations eats up a large percentage of my day... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <uPgoa.133278$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :) > We *don't* monitor the network for it. These reports get sent to us from outside the university. RIAA, NetPD, a couple more that I can't recall. Unfortunately, dealing with violations eats up a large percentage of my day... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <uPgoa.133278$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :) > > > > We *don't* monitor the network for it. These reports get sent to us from > outside the university. RIAA, NetPD, a couple more that I can't recall. > Unfortunately, dealing with violations eats up a large percentage of my day... > :-( > > Eldred >

Eldred, all of your recent messages are showing up twice.

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> In article <uPgoa.133278$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Man, I'm glad monitoring the network for this isn't part of my job :) > > > > We *don't* monitor the network for it. These reports get sent to us from > outside the university. RIAA, NetPD, a couple more that I can't recall. > Unfortunately, dealing with violations eats up a large percentage of my day... > :-( > > Eldred >

Eldred, all of your recent messages are showing up twice.

"Larry"asked: > > How many tracks can NR2003 handle ? Afaik, "unlimited" number of tracks.. They fixed the 64 lap track limit in N4 or N2002... -- ed_

"Larry"asked: Afaik, "unlimited" number of tracks.. They fixed the 64 lap track limit in N4 or N2002... -- ed_

Cool :) Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ea3ecb4$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry"asked: > > > > How many tracks can NR2003 handle ? > > > Afaik, "unlimited" number of tracks.. > > They fixed the 64 lap track limit in N4 or N2002... > > -- > ed_ > >

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred, all of your recent messages are showing up twice. Damn AOL... It said there was an error sending it, so I sent it again. Obviously it was mistaken. :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.