RASCAR: Martinsville

Odd, it's almost midnight and a Martinsville race thread hasn't started yet :) I think we did pretty damned well today. We had few cautions (for a short track) and a ton of long green runs. Unfortunately, I got turned onto my lid somewhere around lap number 5, and my day sucked from there on. The car was fine, but the big-hand-of-Papy reached down and ripped one of my plug wires off and I was down on power. For me from that point it was a race of LPI improvement and moving up by attrition. Interestingly, there wasn't much attrition! My motor blew with 19 to go, during a yellow of all things. Manners seemed pretty good today :) Congrats to Neil! Larry

And you were a real Gentleman using your mirrors for the rest of the race! Thanks Larry! I had my first rascar race since..um..er....sigh. 2001? Well, enjoyed it very much! Good racing, talented drivers, and I think the # of yellows were totally acceptable. I was screaming for a yellow in the end because I was desperate for tires! Had some absolutlely stunning side-by side stuff with John S, some intense bumper-to-bumper action with Ed, and whatnots! I even managed to lead for a few laps...whoah. That got me psyched:) Congrats to Neil for winning it, and to everybody else for putting up such a fun race. Hope the family allows me to do this more in the future! /matt "Larry" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:H65ma.92021$[email hidden]... > Odd, it's almost midnight and a Martinsville race thread hasn't startedyet

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> :) > > I think we did pretty damned well today. We had few cautions (for a short > track) and a ton of long green runs. > > Unfortunately, I got turned onto my lid somewhere around lap number 5, and > my day sucked from there on. > > The car was fine, but the big-hand-of-Papy reached down and ripped one of

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> plug wires off and I was down on power. For me from that point it was a > race of LPI improvement and moving up by attrition. > > Interestingly, there wasn't much attrition! > > My motor blew with 19 to go, during a yellow of all things. > > Manners seemed pretty good today :) > > Congrats to Neil! > > Larry > >

I ran up front (2nd and 3rd) for the first half of the race, and I managed to avoid getting hit or hitting anything. At about lap 75 or so a caution came out, and I pitted. This put me in 8th or 9th, and that's when my day turned to shit. On the next to last restart, I was in 7th or 8th, and slowed to keep from hitting a bunch of cars that were slow getting through a turn, and Ed spun me. I was pummelled by people that refused to fucking slow down, and I couldn't get the car pointed in the right direction to get going. This put me at least a half a lap behind the leaders (because the sim refused to throw a goddamn caution), and by the time the next caution came out, I had beeen put a lap down. On the final restart, I was on fresh tires (and none of the leaders were), and I was trying to get my lap back. Ginger dove under me as I was entering turn 3 and flipped me over. I losyt yet another lap in the pits waiting to get the damn car fixed. At that point, I lost a piston or a plug wire or something, and I couldn't keep up with the pack. I finished two laps down in 10th place, and I'm a little bit pissed off about how it ended for me. I hate to finish laps down. ------------------------------------------- Attn John Bayes: DO NOT JUMP THE RESTARTS. You did it on almost every restart. When you take the green on a restart, you are supposed to be doing the *pace* speed and NOT be acceleratihng when the green flag drops. This is the only warning everyone will receive.

As long as he doesn't pass the pace car before the S/F line (even after the pace car goes into the pits) I believe it is legal. Not sure whether that has anything to do with real life, but that's the way the game implements it. Anyway I believe you will see the real life drivers start to pick up speed SLOWLY as soon as the pace car goes in. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Attn John Bayes: > > DO NOT JUMP THE RESTARTS. You did it on almost every restart. When > you take the green on a restart, you are supposed to be doing the > *pace* speed and NOT be acceleratihng when the green flag drops. > > This is the only warning everyone will receive.

I'm thinking maybe Ginger was letting someone else drive his car today cause he did the same thing to me, right after we had some really great side by side racing. Go figure. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I ran up front (2nd and 3rd) for the first half of the race, and I > managed to avoid getting hit or hitting anything. At about lap 75 or > so a caution came out, and I pitted. This put me in 8th or 9th, and > that's when my day turned to shit. > > On the next to last restart, I was in 7th or 8th, and slowed to keep > from hitting a bunch of cars that were slow getting through a turn, > and Ed spun me. I was pummelled by people that refused to fucking > slow down, and I couldn't get the car pointed in the right direction > to get going. This put me at least a half a lap behind the leaders > (because the sim refused to throw a goddamn caution), and by the time > the next caution came out, I had beeen put a lap down. > > On the final restart, I was on fresh tires (and none of the leaders > were), and I was trying to get my lap back. Ginger dove under me as > I was entering turn 3 and flipped me over. I losyt yet another lap > in the pits waiting to get the damn car fixed. At that point, I lost > a piston or a plug wire or something, and I couldn't keep up with the > pack. I finished two laps down in 10th place, and I'm a little bit > pissed off about how it ended for me. > > I hate to finish laps down. > > ------------------------------------------- > > Attn John Bayes: > > DO NOT JUMP THE RESTARTS. You did it on almost every restart. When > you take the green on a restart, you are supposed to be doing the > *pace* speed and NOT be acceleratihng when the green flag drops. > > This is the only warning everyone will receive.

Well, the sim is not real life racing. The green comes out the exact same place every time. So most everyone follows the same speed until the green. People who jump that, do so with others expecting to follow the normal online etiquette. Most leagues, well all really, who have rules do not allow this, so it's usually more a sign of fair play (or lack of) on the track than anything else. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b7bv4r$cnmc8$[email hidden]... > As long as he doesn't pass the pace car before the S/F line (even after the > pace car goes into the pits) I believe it is legal. Not sure whether that > has anything to do with real life, but that's the way the game implements > it. Anyway I believe you will see the real life drivers start to pick up > speed SLOWLY as soon as the pace car goes in. > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > Attn John Bayes: > > > > DO NOT JUMP THE RESTARTS. You did it on almost every restart. When > > you take the green on a restart, you are supposed to be doing the > > *pace* speed and NOT be acceleratihng when the green flag drops. > > > > This is the only warning everyone will receive. > >

I was right behind you all for that side-by-side stuff. I think that was some of the best side-by-side stuff I have seen in RASCAR, you all must have gone at it for 5 laps or more. Ginger was really tough on the outside, I saw him pass several fast cars by going out there. As far as the cautions go, I thought we did pretty good for Martinsville. I was expecting a lot worse. I think if you go into Marty expecting not to get involved in any incidents you are kidding yourself. As they say on TV, "check your fealings at the door". I ran a pretty crappy race. I qualified awful, on the start I almost punted Tim, but he held on to it, I punted Joe Saxon to bring out the first yellow, I self spun right in front of Tim to brink out another one, and was involved in 1 or 2 others that were not really my fault but I probably could have avoided (only ended up with 2 incidents though). I also tagged the outside wall pretty good coming off one of the corners and after that my car REALLY pushed. I didn't want to fix it because I was afraid I would go down a lap and I was not fast enough to get it back. Had some great racing with Ian, he was faster than I was, but I was able to hold him up for quite a few laps, then at the end of the race I had fresher tires and was a little faster than he was. but he was able to hold me off till the end. Anyway congrats to Neil. Brian Oster On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:16:36 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm thinking maybe Ginger was letting someone else drive his car today cause he did the same thing to me, right after we had some >really great side by side racing. > >Go figure.

We don't jump starts in RASCAR. Period. In article <b7bv4r$cnmc8$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> As long as he doesn't pass the pace car before the S/F line (even after the > pace car goes into the pits) I believe it is legal. Not sure whether that > has anything to do with real life, but that's the way the game implements > it. Anyway I believe you will see the real life drivers start to pick up > speed SLOWLY as soon as the pace car goes in. > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > Attn John Bayes: > > > > DO NOT JUMP THE RESTARTS. You did it on almost every restart. When > > you take the green on a restart, you are supposed to be doing the > > *pace* speed and NOT be acceleratihng when the green flag drops. > > > > This is the only warning everyone will receive.

That race went so much better than I had feared! Okey - we had a few incidents that should have been avioded - but all in all it went pretty good. I must admit that I havn't really raced Martinsville that much in NR03 - or NR02 for that matter - so I'm pleased as hell for just getting to the finish on the lead lap! Had a few mishaps on the way though... I spun by myself once by beeing to late on the brakes and I spun Matt around once too.. - which he paid back laps later :-) As John said - I did touch him too and I had a slight bumb with Tim - but both those incidents were beyond my control - sorry chaps! After the incident with John, I actually managed to get up to speed again pretty fast.. I say John just a few seconds behind - but I guess he couldnt keep it up during that "long haul". Odd thing is that I did my best laps during the end of that period.. Even though I had a car that looked more like a Pinto than a stocker, I managed to set my best times on 35-lap old tires while slowly "reeling" Matt in. Would have been real interresting to see how thing had turned out had not Neil brought out a yellow on lap 178(-ish) I'd been up Matt bumber for the last 10 laps and my car felt real good.. I think both Matt and Brian Oster started experiecing problems too so a top 4 could have been in store for me... Another thing I really regret is not pitting during that penultamet (sp?) caution... that stop really won Neil the race I think.. I was thinking so hard about pitting... but then I saw that most of the guys opted to stay out - so I did too.... not realising until later that those who had pitted, were actually laps down - so I had absolutley nothing to loose by stopping! Oh well :-( Anyway, kudos to Neil for winning, Larry, Jan and other "lappers" (God, I hate that word) for being very kind and cooperative yesterday. Good race y'all! -- ed_ http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------- $10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

Guilty as charged John, my fault, sorry again. I'm not sure the incident with you is the same though Tim, didnt someone else hit you before you quit the server ? Ginger "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:E3gma.13456$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking maybe Ginger was letting someone else drive his car todaycause he did the same thing to me, right after we had some

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> really great side by side racing. > > Go figure. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > I ran up front (2nd and 3rd) for the first half of the race, and I > > managed to avoid getting hit or hitting anything. At about lap 75 or > > so a caution came out, and I pitted. This put me in 8th or 9th, and > > that's when my day turned to shit. > > > > On the next to last restart, I was in 7th or 8th, and slowed to keep > > from hitting a bunch of cars that were slow getting through a turn, > > and Ed spun me. I was pummelled by people that refused to fucking > > slow down, and I couldn't get the car pointed in the right direction > > to get going. This put me at least a half a lap behind the leaders > > (because the sim refused to throw a goddamn caution), and by the time > > the next caution came out, I had beeen put a lap down. > > > > On the final restart, I was on fresh tires (and none of the leaders > > were), and I was trying to get my lap back. Ginger dove under me as > > I was entering turn 3 and flipped me over. I losyt yet another lap > > in the pits waiting to get the damn car fixed. At that point, I lost > > a piston or a plug wire or something, and I couldn't keep up with the > > pack. I finished two laps down in 10th place, and I'm a little bit > > pissed off about how it ended for me. > > > > I hate to finish laps down. > > > > -------------------------------------------

Yeah, you :) That one put me up against the inside wall trying to gas out of it and brought out a caution so I just parked it. I didn't save the replay so I'll check it again when it gets uploaded. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "BowtNetterToDo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e99d781$0$45183$[email hidden]... > Guilty as charged John, my fault, sorry again. > > I'm not sure the incident with you is the same though Tim, didnt someone > else hit you before you quit the server ? > > Ginger >

Tim, It was actually me who was on the inside as you "closed the door"... What basicly happen (the way I saw it) was that Ginger dived inside you - forcing you to run wide. That left me - who was directly behind Ginger - to either run wide and hit you or dive inside too - hopeing you'de stay on the outside.. I opted for the latter, so when you closed the door again, we touched - front fender to front fender. Then someone (Jan?) hit you from behind and that spun you around. Shame you left though.. it turned out to be a real good race in the end. -- ed_ http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------- $10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:53:06 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Tim, > >It was actually me who was on the inside as you "closed the door"... What >basicly happen (the way I saw it) was that Ginger dived inside you - forcing >you to run wide. That left me - who was directly behind Ginger - to either >run wide and hit you or dive inside too - hopeing you'de stay on the >outside.. I opted for the latter, so when you closed the door again, we >touched - front fender to front fender. Then someone (Jan?) hit you from >behind and that spun you around.

Uh, that would have been me, I couldn't get slowed down enough and I hit Tim... then Ian hit me and I spun but was able to stay on the lead lap. Brian Oster

>I hate to finish laps down. You get used to it...trust me. :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ok, I can understand that. I have done that before, following someone underneath once the guy in front got moved out. My point was Ginger started that with the dive bomb. You and Brian just did what you could. I would've done it too. The reason I left was I just couldn't believe he'd do that, that early. He has always been so clean and patient. I had to leave to keep my mouth shut :)) -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e99e9f6$[email hidden]... > Tim, > > It was actually me who was on the inside as you "closed the door"... What > basicly happen (the way I saw it) was that Ginger dived inside you - forcing > you to run wide. That left me - who was directly behind Ginger - to either > run wide and hit you or dive inside too - hopeing you'de stay on the > outside.. I opted for the latter, so when you closed the door again, we > touched - front fender to front fender. Then someone (Jan?) hit you from > behind and that spun you around. > > Shame you left though.. it turned out to be a real good race in the end. > > > -- > ed_ > http://rascar.racesimcentral.com > --------------------------------------- > $10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC > >

Everyone is going to cause a wreck at some point. And at Martinsville the chances are pretty good that no matter how clean of a driver you are, you are going to bump into someone. Again, for any short track you better check your fealings at the door. Contact is going to happen. Brian On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:12:10 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ok, I can understand that. I have done that before, following someone underneath once the guy in front got moved out. > >My point was Ginger started that with the dive bomb. You and Brian just did what you could. I would've done it too. The reason I >left was I just couldn't believe he'd do that, that early. He has always been so clean and patient. I had to leave to keep my >mouth shut > >:))

I kinda slightly noticed that too :) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Attn John Bayes: > > DO NOT JUMP THE RESTARTS. You did it on almost every restart. When > you take the green on a restart, you are supposed to be doing the > *pace* speed and NOT be acceleratihng when the green flag drops. > > This is the only warning everyone will receive.

Stop it :) Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >I hate to finish laps down. > > You get used to it...trust me. :-) > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, short track racin is tough especially on the computer. What we dont want is a free pass for everyone to be bumping, smashing, and moving people around at the next "short track" race and chalk it up as 'short track racing technique'. I gotta say that I dont have a dog in this fight, but I might at the next short track. I believe Tim had a legitimate reason to be miffed. I would hope that us rascar sim racers would have more patence at the beginning of these races so that everyone can have some fun until the "moving out of the way" starts towards the end of the 'short track' race. My 3 cents. grub "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Everyone is going to cause a wreck at some point. And at Martinsville > the chances are pretty good that no matter how clean of a driver you > are, you are going to bump into someone. > > Again, for any short track you better check your fealings at the door. > Contact is going to happen. > > > Brian > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:12:10 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Ok, I can understand that. I have done that before, following someone

underneath once the guy in front got moved out. > > > >My point was Ginger started that with the dive bomb. You and Brian justdid what you could. I would've done it too. The reason I > >left was I just couldn't believe he'd do that, that early. He has alwaysbeen so clean and patient. I had to leave to keep my > >mouth shut > > > >:)) >

I am not saying Tim doesn't have a valid gripe, I would have been upset also. I also don't believe that anyone took the fact that it was a short track to beat and bang around. I think everyone was trying to run a clean race which just isn't completely possible at Mart. Actually, if you look at the number of cautions we had it was pretty much par for the course, and considering it was Mart. we actually did better. Brian Oster On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:15:22 -0400, "grub" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, short track racin is tough especially on the computer. What we dont >want is a free pass for everyone to be bumping, smashing, and moving people >around at the next "short track" race and chalk it up as 'short track >racing technique'. I gotta say that I dont have a dog in this fight, but I >might at the next short track. I believe Tim had a legitimate reason to be >miffed. I would hope that us rascar sim racers would have more patence at >the beginning of these races so that everyone can have some fun until the >"moving out of the way" starts towards the end of the 'short track' race. >My 3 cents. >grub > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Everyone is going to cause a wreck at some point. And at Martinsville >> the chances are pretty good that no matter how clean of a driver you >> are, you are going to bump into someone. >> >> Again, for any short track you better check your fealings at the door. >> Contact is going to happen. >> >> >> Brian >> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:12:10 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Ok, I can understand that. I have done that before, following someone >underneath once the guy in front got moved out. >> > >> >My point was Ginger started that with the dive bomb. You and Brian just >did what you could. I would've done it too. The reason I >> >left was I just couldn't believe he'd do that, that early. He has always >been so clean and patient. I had to leave to keep my >> >mouth shut >> > >> >:)) >> >

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>Stop it :) > >Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >I hate to finish laps down. >> >> You get used to it...trust me. :-)

What...what?<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

True. It was better than average. "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I am not saying Tim doesn't have a valid gripe, I would have been > upset also. I also don't believe that anyone took the fact that it > was a short track to beat and bang around. I think everyone was > trying to run a clean race which just isn't completely possible at > Mart. Actually, if you look at the number of cautions we had it was > pretty much par for the course, and considering it was Mart. we > actually did better. > > Brian Oster > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:15:22 -0400, "grub" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well, short track racin is tough especially on the computer. What we dont > >want is a free pass for everyone to be bumping, smashing, and moving

people > >around at the next "short track" race and chalk it up as 'short track > >racing technique'. I gotta say that I dont have a dog in this fight, butI > >might at the next short track. I believe Tim had a legitimate reason tobe > >miffed. I would hope that us rascar sim racers would have more patence at > >the beginning of these races so that everyone can have some fun untilthe

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> >"moving out of the way" starts towards the end of the 'short track' race. > >My 3 cents. > >grub > > > > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Everyone is going to cause a wreck at some point. And at Martinsville > >> the chances are pretty good that no matter how clean of a driver you > >> are, you are going to bump into someone. > >> > >> Again, for any short track you better check your fealings at the door. > >> Contact is going to happen. > >> > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:12:10 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Ok, I can understand that. I have done that before, following someone > >underneath once the guy in front got moved out. > >> > > >> >My point was Ginger started that with the dive bomb. You and Brian

just > >did what you could. I would've done it too. The reason I > >> >left was I just couldn't believe he'd do that, that early. He hasalways

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> >been so clean and patient. I had to leave to keep my > >> >mouth shut > >> > > >> >:)) > >> > > >