Uh, oh... New NR2003 Cheat?

Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have known better). The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never pitted, and won the race by a lap. He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. Damn... Larry

Sadly it's not a new one, I have heard of someone extending the gas mileage before. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should haveknown

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> better). > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > Damn... > > Larry > >

Papy was supposed to have fixed that NR2002 cheat in NR2003, but I guess it's back :( Larry "Chad Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kfmva.563363$Zo.121511@sccrnsc03... > Sadly it's not a new one, I have heard of someone extending the gasmileage

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> before. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... > > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have > known > > better). > > > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He

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> > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > > > Damn... > > > > Larry > > > > > >

Well, If that is the way you want to "win"! I need a cheat that makes my spotter tell me when a car is beside me *before* I am hitting it. I swear the spotter timing is off by at least a full second in this game, I need side mirrors!!!! -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... : Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( : : I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have known : better). : : The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. : : Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never : pitted, and won the race by a lap. : : He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. : : Damn... : : Larry : :

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Well, If that is the way you want to "win"! I need a cheat that makes my > spotter tell me when a car is beside me *before* I am hitting it. I swear > the spotter timing is off by at least a full second in this game, I need > side mirrors!!!! > No, you need to adjust to your spotter's timing and keep on top of the situation around you. If it even looks like someone is getting a fender under me, I assume that he's a "car inside". I don't wait for the spotter.

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> Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have known > better). > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > Damn... > > Larry > >

Man, I hate online cheaters. Offline, I can understand why people would want to and they have every right. But when a person goes online, there's no need to give yourself a superior advantage over others (aside from just being a excellent player). IMO, they aren't going to garner any respect by cheating. And they really didn't win. Maybe they're afraid of losing? -Will

Lesson: race with people whom you know and password protect the race. Besides that, I think you're jumping to conclusions. To state that there might be a cheat based on the information given, is a bit presumptuous. Alanb "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should haveknown

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> better). > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > Damn... > > Larry > >

I guess your spotter is bad too. I pay mine a lot. He does a good job. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Well, If that is the way you want to "win"! I need a cheat that makesmy > > spotter tell me when a car is beside me *before* I am hitting it. Iswear

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> > the spotter timing is off by at least a full second in this game, I need > > side mirrors!!!! > > > > No, you need to adjust to your spotter's timing and keep on top of > the situation around you. If it even looks like someone is getting a > fender under me, I assume that he's a "car inside". I don't wait for > the spotter.

Yep. Maybe he had very good fuel mileage. "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pttva.566932$Zo.122236@sccrnsc03...

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> Lesson: race with people whom you know and password protect the race. > > Besides that, I think you're jumping to conclusions. To state that there > might be a cheat based on the information given, is a bit presumptuous. > > Alanb > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... > > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have > known > > better). > > > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He

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> > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > > > Damn... > > > > Larry > > > > > >

i have a replay saved of a talladega win I think was 38 laps and i made it by working the draft. won the race too. ran out of gas on the last lap. "JTBurn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yep. Maybe he had very good fuel mileage. > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Pttva.566932$Zo.122236@sccrnsc03... > > Lesson: race with people whom you know and password protect the race. > > > > Besides that, I think you're jumping to conclusions. To state that

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> > might be a cheat based on the information given, is a bit presumptuous. > > > > Alanb > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... > > > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > > > > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have > > known > > > better). > > > > > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > > > > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He > never > > > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > > > > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > > > > > Damn... > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > >

>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=663 http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=445 http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=366

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : In article <[email hidden]>, : [email hidden] says... : > Well, If that is the way you want to "win"! I need a cheat that makes my : > spotter tell me when a car is beside me *before* I am hitting it. I swear : > the spotter timing is off by at least a full second in this game, I need : > side mirrors!!!! : > : : No, you need to adjust to your spotter's timing That would be great, how do I do that? -- McWhom -----------------------------------------------------------------

In article <Rilva.50635$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never >pitted, and won the race by a lap. So who was that person, so we can avoid races that he's in...? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Actually we do, otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to make the efforts to encrypt and randomly allocate memory for sensitive physics parameters in NR2003. Not to say that one doesn't exist (where there's a will there's a way), but I've yet to see a working RAM cheat for 2003. If anyone manages to come across one, by all means send it in... - Eric "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qivva.290$[email hidden]... > Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. > > http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=663 > http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=445 > http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=366

On Sun, 11 May 2003 13:01:21 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > >Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. > Where is the patch, now that I think about it? It's been 4 months, and no patch? Strange... (unless I missed it) John DiFool

>"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote > Where is the patch, now that I think about it? > It's been 4 months, and no patch? Strange... (unless > I missed it) But then again, Blizzard patched Diablo II almost 2 years after it's release. We're still waiting... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> On Sun, 11 May 2003 13:01:21 -0400, "ymenard" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > > > > >Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. > > > > Where is the patch, now that I think about it? > It's been 4 months, and no patch? Strange... (unless > I missed it) > > John DiFool >

I remember hearing that Papy was trying to get a patch out by April, but they obviously blew that timeframe. :)

On Mon, 12 May 2003 09:58:26 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> On Sun, 11 May 2003 13:01:21 -0400, "ymenard" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >> Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( >> > >> > >> >Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. >> > >> >> Where is the patch, now that I think about it? >> It's been 4 months, and no patch? Strange... (unless >> I missed it) >> >> John DiFool >> > > >I remember hearing that Papy was trying to get a patch out by April, >but they obviously blew that timeframe. :)

I am a little bit worred that we might never see a patch at all, or one that really fixes anything siginificant. I am sure Papy would love to, but I but they get pressure from the publisher too just forget it. I mean what is the motivation... Brian Oster

There is one out there Eric. It's been posted in a couple newsgroups. You haven't heard???? Eric Busch wrote:

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>Actually we do, otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to make the efforts >to encrypt and randomly allocate memory for sensitive physics parameters >in NR2003. Not to say that one doesn't exist (where there's a will >there's a way), but I've yet to see a working RAM cheat for 2003. If >anyone manages to come across one, by all means send it in... > >- Eric > > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:qivva.290$[email hidden]... > > >>Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. >> >>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=663 >>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=445 >>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=366 >> >> > > > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

So post a URL referring to the NG posts and he will have heard....that way we will know for sure that PApy is aware of it and it can be corrected. "Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> There is one out there Eric. It's been posted in a couple newsgroups. > You haven't heard???? > > Eric Busch wrote: > > >Actually we do, otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to make the efforts > >to encrypt and randomly allocate memory for sensitive physics parameters > >in NR2003. Not to say that one doesn't exist (where there's a will > >there's a way), but I've yet to see a working RAM cheat for 2003. If > >anyone manages to come across one, by all means send it in... > > > >- Eric > > > > > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:qivva.290$[email hidden]... > > > > > >>Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. > >> > >>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=663 > >>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=445 > >>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=366 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ric Seyler > Online Racing: RicSeyler > GPL Handicap 6.35 > [email hidden] > http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler > -------------------------------------- > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson > > >

The VRW newsgroup and the MHOGaming newsgroup for starters. Biz wrote:

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>So post a URL referring to the NG posts and he will have heard....that way we will know for sure >that PApy is aware of it and it can be corrected. >"Ric Seyler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >>There is one out there Eric. It's been posted in a couple newsgroups. >>You haven't heard???? >> >>Eric Busch wrote: >> >> >> >>>Actually we do, otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to make the efforts >>>to encrypt and randomly allocate memory for sensitive physics parameters >>>in NR2003. Not to say that one doesn't exist (where there's a will >>>there's a way), but I've yet to see a working RAM cheat for 2003. If >>>anyone manages to come across one, by all means send it in... >>> >>>- Eric >>> >>> >>>"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:qivva.290$[email hidden]... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. >>>> >>>>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=663 >>>>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=445 >>>>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=366 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Ric Seyler >>Online Racing: RicSeyler >>GPL Handicap 6.35 >>[email hidden] >>http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler >>-------------------------------------- >>"Homer no function beer well without." >>- H.J. Simpson >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 [email hidden] http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

The VRW newsgroup and the MHO*** newsgroup for starters.

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>So post a URL referring to the NG posts and he will have heard....that way we will know for sure >that PApy is aware of it and it can be corrected. >>There is one out there Eric. It's been posted in a couple newsgroups. >>You haven't heard???? >>>Actually we do, otherwise we wouldn't have bothered to make the efforts >>>to encrypt and randomly allocate memory for sensitive physics parameters >>>in NR2003. Not to say that one doesn't exist (where there's a will >>>there's a way), but I've yet to see a working RAM cheat for 2003. If >>>anyone manages to come across one, by all means send it in... >>>- Eric >>>>Nothing new, just a variation of the RAM cheat. Papyrus doesn't care. >>>>http://www.simautoracer.net/article.cgi?pid=663 >>>>[link lost in import] >>>>[link lost in import] >>-- >>Ric Seyler >>Online Racing: RicSeyler >>GPL Handicap 6.35 >>http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler >>-------------------------------------- >>"Homer no function beer well without." >>- H.J. Simpson

-- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson

Then download the damn thing and send it to them Ric! "Ric Seyler"said: The VRW newsgroup and the MHOGaming newsgroup for starters. -- ed_ http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------- $10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

Then download the damn thing and send it to them Ric! "Ric Seyler"said: The VRW newsgroup and the MHO*** newsgroup for starters. -- ed_ [link lost in import] --------------------------------------- $10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

>"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > Then download the damn thing and send it to them Ric! Considering that the VRW and MHOGaming servers are filled with posters/lurkers that are related to Papyrus (either ex-testers, beta testers, ex-employees, etc..) , I find very bizarre that a Papy employee would contradict what most of the people are seeing while racing, that they don't know of any cheat. It's the #4324 case of Papy employees vs. their customers. Or perhaps it's just denying for the sake of PR denying. Works for the government, no? ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I've never seen a working RAM cheat for 2003, nor to my knowledge has any current Papyrus or Sierra employee. The beta testers were in fact specifically tasked by me to try and duplicate the cheats that were possible in previous products, but there were no reports that they were ever successful. If you or anyone else has definitive proof to contradict that, please let us know (and by that I mean more than simply saying PlayerX is faster than me, so he must be cheating). - Eric "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WIWva.1352$[email hidden]... > Considering that the VRW and MHOGaming servers are filled with > posters/lurkers that are related to Papyrus (either ex-testers, beta > testers, ex-employees, etc..) , I find very bizarre that a Papyemployee > would contradict what most of the people are seeing while racing, thatthey > don't know of any cheat.

"Eric Busch" If you or anyone else has definitive proof to > contradict that, please let us know (and by that I mean more than simply > saying PlayerX is faster than me, so he must be cheating). > > - Eric Cripes! That MUST mean EVERYONE is cheating then.... :) dave henrie

The same motivation that kept Papy employees supporting GPL. "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.net> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 12 May 2003 09:58:26 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > >[email hidden] says... > >> On Sun, 11 May 2003 13:01:21 -0400, "ymenard" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> >> Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > >> > > >> >

The same motivation that kept Papy employees supporting GPL. > >> On Sun, 11 May 2003 13:01:21 -0400, "ymenard" > >> >> Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :(

Frankie, he said a working RAM cheat. F-50 and the A James guys are rumored to be related, or live close to Huggins. If you remember, Huggins wasn't into ram cheating. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WIWva.1352$[email hidden]...

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> >"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Then download the damn thing and send it to them Ric! > > > Considering that the VRW and MHOGaming servers are filled with > posters/lurkers that are related to Papyrus (either ex-testers, beta > testers, ex-employees, etc..) , I find very bizarre that a Papy employee > would contradict what most of the people are seeing while racing, that

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> don't know of any cheat. > > > > It's the #4324 case of Papy employees vs. their customers. > > > Or perhaps it's just denying for the sake of PR denying. Works for the > government, no? ;) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

Dude, I was THERE. It was a race that REQUIRED a pit stop. There was NO WAY to finish it without a pit stop. EVERY car that tried ran out of gas except the guy who won. Period. There is no jumping to conclusions here. Facts are facts. Larry "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pttva.566932$Zo.122236@sccrnsc03...

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> Lesson: race with people whom you know and password protect the race. > > Besides that, I think you're jumping to conclusions. To state that there > might be a cheat based on the information given, is a bit presumptuous. > > Alanb > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Rilva.50635$[email hidden]... > > Guys, I hate to say it but I think there is a new cheat out there :( > > > > I just ran in an open 2x Dega Race (it was a disaster - I should have > known > > better). > > > > The length was set to make a pit stop mandatory. > > > > Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He

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> > pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > > > He also left the server very, very quickly after the race was over. > > > > Damn... > > > > Larry > > > > > >

I considered posting the screen name when I wrote the original posting, but decided not to. Now I don't remember it (really). I WILL know it if I see it again, though. Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <Rilva.50635$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Everyone who didn't pit ran out of gas. EXCEPT for one person. He never > >pitted, and won the race by a lap. > > So who was that person, so we can avoid races that he's in...? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.950 > MonsterRank: +305.145 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.